October 2, 2014

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Tearful veteran turned away from Ohio Air Force museum

DAYTON, Ohio — An 88-year-old veteran who traveled to Ohio from New York to see the plane he flew in during World War II has been turned away because of the government shutdown.

The Dayton Daily News reports Joe McGrain of Rochester, N.Y., went to the National Museum of the United States Air Force on Tuesday to see the B-26 he flew in as a bombardier and navigator in Europe.

He also wanted to show the aircraft to his wife and two sons, who came from New Orleans and Washington for the trip. But with museum staff on furlough because of the shutdown, the McGrains were turned away.

A tearful McGrain said he had wanted to make the trip for 50 years and that he was extremely disappointed.


  • bpbatista

    Thanks to Sherrod Brown for voting to shut down the government rather than give up the illegal Obamacare subsidies for members of Congress and their staffs.

    Heckuva job Brownie!!

    • TheOriginalFactChecker

      Sherrod Brown did NOT vote to shut down the government. Why try to mislead? John Boehner has the power to end the shutdown any time he wants to. There are enough votes in the House to pass a clean CR IF Boehner would let them vote.

      • MZee

        you’re both right, and both wrong…
        everyone wants to blame one party. Thing is, when the other party isn’t willing to compromise – as in meet somewhere between the two, then they “vote” too.

      • Pablo Jones

        The house has submitted their spending bill. The Senate didn’t even take it up for a vote. Blaming the house is like blaming parents for starving their kids, even though they cook food and put it in front of the kid, but he doesn’t eat it because he doesn’t like it.

      • bpbatista

        Sherrod Brown voted against the CR passed by the House because it would strip away the illegal Obamacare subsidies for members of Congress and their staffs.

        And when Harry Reid was asked if Democrats would support a CR to fund children’s cancer research he said: “Why would we want to do that?”

        Democrats are shutting down the government and killing kids with cancer.

        • stop ur whining

          yea not a bit of that is right wing rhetoric is it? (sarcasm if you couldn’t tell)

          • bpbatista

            Why won’t Reid and the Democrats vote to fund cancer research?

            Why won’t Marcie Kaptur vote to fund veterans programs?

          • stop ur whining

            you can pull bits and pieces of any speech and crucify it. when you do that you take things out of context and when statements made are taken out of context you can make anything sound completely horrendous.

          • stop ur whining

            of course Reid does not want to end funding for cancer. if you would have read the conversation you would understand that. his argument is against the house for wanting to pass a series of mini bills. we will fund this, we wont fund that etc. the argument is, that if they republicans) would pass a clean bill that removes the provisions that obamcare be defunded or delayed then everything else will pass, the government shut down can end and everything that is currently shut down, including cancer funding and everything else can resume. The argument is why fund cancer research while still denying so many others effected by the shutdown. What right did they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded?

            again, you need to read the entire debate and not take one tiny part and run with it.

          • bpbatista

            It wasn’t a debate. Reid was asked by a reporter why the Democrats in the Senate would not pass the House bill to fund the NIH including children’s cancer research and Reid said: “Why would we want to do that?”

            Republicans voted to fund the government, including cancer research and veterans benefits, but Reid and the rest of the Democrats said “NO!”

          • TheOriginalFactChecker

            He did NOT respond to the reporter. He responded to Chuck Schumer’s aside. It weakens your position when you quote someone out of context.

          • stop ur whining

            yea, batista does not understand context. i tried to explain it, it just doesn’t sink in apparently.

          • bpbatista

            Keep telling yourself that. Maybe you will eventually believe it.

          • bpbatista

            BASH: But if you can help one child with cancer, why wouldn’t you do it?

            REID: Why would we want to do that? I have 1100 people at Nellis Air Force Base sitting home. They have problems of their own.

          • stop ur whining

            you are incorrect. 1) i never mentioned the word debate. 2) did you not read anything i said? I will clarify…READ CAREFULLY.

            the house 4 times set a resolution to the senate for funding. before they sent their first attempt it was broadcast loud and clear that any attempt to include backdoor legislation to delay or defund ACA would be stripped. each time it was sent to the senate with the provisions to defund or delay ACA. each time that part was stripped out and then sent back to the house. trying the same thing numerous times with the same result is the definition of insanity.

            Now the republicans are trying to pass funding one program at a time. they began with NIH funding. Reid’s argument is quite clear. why fund just NIH while letting everything else that is shutdown remain shutdown. cancer research is important, but so are the other ares that are shut down. basically the republicans are saying this is more important than that so it gets funding etc. Meanwhile, if the house just decides to leave the aca rider out of the continuing resolution then everything, including the NIH gets the funding it needs.

            Again Reid does not want to stop funding for cancer research. he is merely stating that if the house drops the ACA rider then the lights go back on for everyone instead of one program at a time.

            The entire far right approach is for not. the ACA was never going to be stopped or delayed. it was / has moved forward regardless of a government shutdown. that is what makes this fight so stupid. I would at least be able to see the tea party’s argument if a government shut down stopped the ACA. But since it doesn’t it is a pointless shutdown that only hurts more people.

          • Pablo Jones

            Well isn’t that where the compromise comes from? Picking what they will agree to or not agree to. Apparently cancer testing has to stop immediately so that some kids depending if their parents sign up will get covered months from now.

  • rightwingnutjobsareaproblem

    Thanks to John Boehner for willing to shut down the government over politics, rather than trying to find a bi-partisan solution. Affordable healthcare for the elderly and disabled is such a horrible concept (sarcasm).

    • bpbatista

      Today Harry Reid refused to vote for funding of children’s cancer research. When asked about it he said: “Why would we want to do that?”

      Why does Harry Reid and the Democrat party want children to die of cancer?

      • TheOriginalFactChecker

        It was Boehner and the Republicans who are stopping the canceer research, not the Democrats.

        • Joe Smith

          The offer of the bill to fund it was offered, Dems are refusing

          • TheOriginalFactChecker

            It’s a sick little game that the Republicans are playing. They want to leave 800,000 Americans out of work NOW, they want Thousands of children to go without food NOW, and they say they will fund the small portion of the total cancer research for six more weeks, if Democrats give them everything else they want. That is a sick ploy and you fell for it.

          • Joe Smith

            The healthcare bill is causing plenty of damage to jobs, companies are not going to hire as many people because they can’t afford to give them healthcare too and a lot of full timers are being dropped to part time and the food stamp program for the “kids” food has not been stopped to my knowledge. The Dems can give just as well as the Repubs and end this. It is both of theirs fault. Obamacare, should be frozen until at least all the bugs are fixed, passing something like this without reading it is the sick ploy and it is causing a lot of damage.

          • bpbatista

            Then why won’t Sherrod Brown and the rest of the Democrats in the Senate pass the bills already passed by the House? Then these 800,000 people would go back to work and children would be fed and research funded.

            But, of course, that would require Sherrod and the rest of the Democrats to give up their illegal tax payer funded Obamacare subsidies that no one else can get.

        • bpbatista

          Why do Democrats want children to die of cancer? Why would they want to do that?

    • Pablo Jones

      The elderly and disabled are already covered by Medicare and Medicaid.

  • Phil Blank

    They were not turned away.
    A few senators let them in.
    Reps. Steve King, R-Iowa, and Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., said in interviews that the gates were opened for the veterans to access the memorial.

    • Pamela Ward Greer

      the Memorial maybe, this is the Air Force Museum

    • TheOriginalFactChecker

      Do you really want us to believe a few Senators were standing around at the Air Force Museum in Dayton to let this veteran in, just because King & Bachmann said so?

      • bpbatista

        Keeping elderly WWII vets away from their memorial just so Sherrod Brown and the rest of Democrats can keep their illegal Obamacare subsidies that no one else gets. That’s the Democrat policy.

        • TheOriginalFactChecker

          Did the Supreme Court say it was illegal, or was that Rush Limbaugh?

          • bpbatista

            I think it was Judge Adams.

          • Pablo Jones

            The Supreme Court hasn’t ruled on if it is legal for the President to decide what parts of the law have to be implemented and what parts can be delayed, especially to special interest groups. The Supreme Court said the fines are really taxes so what President Obama is doing is saying “these people have to pay taxes and these people don’t.” I don’t think that would pass the Court, otherwise you could have a President say I want to give businesses a tax break or delay tax credits, all without going through congress.

    • MZee

      uh, Phil, that was the WWII memorial in DC, not the USAF Museum in Dayton. It was also busloads of veterans and their families, not one man and his. Add to it lots of TV camera’s…. politicians might be fewls when it comes to compromising, doing budgets, and keeping our government open, but in front of TV camera’s with large crowds of old veterans? Not so much.

  • Pamela Ward Greer

    I pray that this family has another chance to fulfill his dreams, hope all the people, democrats and republicans see this story and are proud of themselves….bastards

  • LookBackTwo

    All this could be resolved if obama, ried, kaptur, and charlie brown dropped their elitist insurance plans and signed up for obamacare like they demand all of us to do!

    • TheOriginalFactChecker

      Nobody that has insurance needs to switch to Obamacare. If you or I have insurance, we don’t have to change a thing and neither do President Obama, Congresswoman Kaptur, Senator Brown, etc.. The Affordable Care Act is designed to make affordable insurance available to those that previously couldn’t afford it or were denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions.

      • MZee

        ya think? Did you miss the sarcasm?? The elitist with the power to shut down our government and affect countless millions do not need bamacare and it’s forced signup, penalties if u don’t join, etc. They have the best of care, and also are entitled to retirement after TWO years. TWO years. Are you kidding me? Most have to work 25, 30 before getting a penance. And that is if their company doesn’t go belly up.

      • Pablo Jones

        But your employer may have to make changes, the health insurers have to make changes, your doctors need to make changes, your medical supplier has to make changes. If those changes are taking place then you aren’t keeping your same plan.

        And the Affordable care act isn’t very affordable. If it were it wouldn’t be cheaper to pay the fine.

        • TheOriginalFactChecker

          The changes in my plan make it better. I now have no lifetime limit, I have one free checkup each year, my prescriptions are much cheaper, my plan got a refund because of the 80% rule. I have made no changes, but my plan is even better than it was.

          • Pablo Jones

            99.9% of the people never even approach the life time limit. But health insurance premiums will now increase for everyone to cover it.

            You don’t have a Free check up every year it’s paid for by your premiums. So your premiums go up probably more than your co-pay would have been to pay for that fee checkup. And if you don’t use that checkup you paid for nothing.

            I doubt you got a refund back. In the cases where refunds are issued they are distributed to the employer and it is up to them to decide if they are going to give it back to you (if so only for the portion of the premium you paid). If you have your own policy that you pay for yourself you might get a refund but you are still paying more for health insurance than most people, i.e. it’s not really affordable.

            I also doubt your prescriptions are cheaper. They may have lowered your co-pay for generics but they have raised the cost of name brand drugs, usually to 50% of the cost.

            But I’m willing to admit I’m wrong how about you post the link to health insurance documentation (most health insurance companies have them posted on their website). I’ll take a look and see if your insurance is so much better.

          • Pablo Jones

            And if you do sign up for some of those cheaper exchange plans the co-pays and deductibles make it completely unaffordable. You could pay less than $200 a month for insurance, but your insurance isn’t going to pay anything until you spend over $1000 deductible plus the 50% of the treatment costs.

          • Pablo Jones

            I just looked at my health insurance for next year.

            premium will increase 7% for Self Only and increase 7% for Self and Family.
            - So much for cheaper premiums

            Your copayment for generic drugs has increased to $10 at a retail pharmacy and $20 through mail order
            -So much for cheaper perscriptions that is a 100% increase in the price

            Your coinsurance for a medical emergency is 15% of the Plan allowance both in-network and out-of-network
            -This is a 30% increase.

            I’m still waiting to be proven wrong by reviewing your health insurance info.

      • bpbatista

        Unless, of course, your employer has terminated your coverage because of Obamacare.

        • TheOriginalFactChecker

          If they did that, they are using the ACA as a lame excuse. Disney is giving 27,000 workers full insurance benefits, and they aren’t terminating coverage nor are they limiting hours.

          • bpbatista

            But plenty of other employers are — as has been documented ad nauseum. Such as UPS, Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Seaworld, Trader Joe’s, etc., etc.

            But maybe all these people can come to work for your firm and get your great policy!

  • Pablo Jones

    The law isn’t something to have to sign up for. It is the law and applies to every, if they didn’t get an exception. If it was something that people had to sign up for they wouldn’t need to hand out exceptions to the law.

  • Joe Smith

    Obamacares regs forced my underwriter ( New York Life for Aetna) out of business so I DON’T have the choice to keep my current insurance

    • TheOriginalFactChecker

      I have Aetna and they sent a letter that said EVERYTHING stays the same for me. Sounds like your underwriter is blowing smoke.

      • Joe Smith

        So your Aetna is underwritten by New York Life? NO? I didn’t think so. I talked to them on the phone as they are going to assist us in getting new insurance. ZERO doubt that I am losing my insurance with my current provider as of Jan 1st, NONE

        The changes underway are unprecedented. Most recently, New York Life (NYL), the underwriter of the GHLIT medical insurance policy, notified the Trust of its intent to discontinue major medical coverage in the bona fide association market after 2013. This determination was made based on NYL’s belief that evolving market conditions and the regulatory environment created by the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (“PPACA”) will ultimately prevent them from offering competitive medical insurance for association plans such as the GHLIT’s. As a result, we anticipate that your GHLIT medical insurance policy will be ending effective midnight 12/31/2013.

        The above took seconds to look up on the net, they are not underwriting the company above also and are dropping underwriting in all 50 states

  • Don Grantzki

    THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN? WHO KNEW?

  • bpbatista

    The grocery stores on Army bases in the U.S. are closed.

    The golf course at Andrews Air Force base is open.

    That’s the course where Obama plays golf.

    • TheOriginalFactChecker

      VERY WEAK! The Andrews Air Force Base golf course is funded through user fees and that’s why it remains open, said Air Force Captain Lindy Singleton, chief of public affairs for the 11th Wing at Andrews.

      • Pablo Jones

        The DOD pays to build the golf courses as well as equipment needs. They spent over $5 million in the 90′s building the 3rd golf course at Andrew’s I’m sure they probably use the Fees to cover some costs but lets think of this logically. Private gulf clubs that are on par with their golf course charge tens of thousands of dollars to keep their courses as they are. Do you think the retired military are paying tens of thousands of dollars in annual fees?

        “Back in 1975, Senator William Proxmire (D-Wisconsin) decried the fact that the Department of Defense spent nearly $14 million each year to maintain and operate 300 military-run golf courses scattered across the globe. In 1996, the weekly television series America’s Defense Monitor noted that “Pentagon elites and high government officials [were still] tee-ing off at taxpayer expense” at some “234 golf courses maintained by the U.S. armed forces worldwide.”

      • bpbatista

        Then why did Obama try to shut down Mount Vernon which is privately owned and operated!

        If Obama can play golf why can’t WWII vets go to their open air memorial?

  • bpbatista

    Democrat Senate majority leader Harry Reid objected today when Republican Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell pushed today for the Senate to consider
    House-passed legislation that would ensure veterans were funded during
    the shutdown.

    “Today, the House passed a bill to ensure that our veterans continue
    to get the services and benefits they so richly deserve,” McConnell said
    on the floor. “If Democrats are unwilling to fund other parts of the
    government, at the very least they can agree to support our veterans.”

    Reid then objected.

    Why do the Democrats in Congress hate veterans? Where’s Sherrod Brown?

    • TheOriginalFactChecker

      Why did Republicans cut food stamps to veterans and active duty military a few weeks ago?

      • bpbatista

        Democrats voted to cut food stamps too!

        Why won’t Sherrod Brown and Harry Reid vote to fund cancer research and veterans? The House passed bills to do that but Brown and Reid say “NO!”