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Lorain County official criticizes cuts to women’s health programs

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Karen Shawver

LORAIN — Lorain City Treasurer Karen Shawver spoke out against Gov. John Kasich’s state budget on Wednesday, calling it an attack on women’s health at the same time that more than 500 people were storming the Statehouse to protest Kasich’s provisions.

During a press conference at the Lorain County Democratic Headquarters, Shawver criticized provisions in the budget that would effectively defund Planned Parenthood by placing it and other unaffiliated family planning clinics at the back of the line behind local health departments and community centers for receiving federal money allocated by the Ohio Department of Health.

She said Planned Parenthood received $1.4 million in budget cuts as a result.

Opponents of the budget have also protested provisions requiring women to have an ultrasound before an abortion and for doctors to inform the woman of a heartbeat. Under the new budget, funding would be provided to rape crisis centers, but rape counselors are prohibited from discussing abortion.

Shawver said Kasich signed the measures this summer without a public hearing on the changes.

“Hiding these harmful provisions in the state budget at the 11th hour, in the dark of night, and with no public input is demeaning and degrading to the dignity of Ohio women,” she said. “Women across the state are fully capable of making their own decisions, just like they make other important decisions every day for themselves, their families and their businesses.”

The provisions took effect Sept. 29 for Ohio residents.

Shawver said attempts to change the provisions by Democrats have failed, but she asked Ohioans who are against the legislation to elect Ed FitzGerald into office. FitzGerald, a Democrat, is currently the Cuyahoga County executive — the leader who replaced the three commissioners when the form of government was changed — who is challenging Kasich for governor.

“It’s time that Ohio calls on Gov. Kasich to get out of our exam rooms, get out of delivery rooms, get out of our surgery suites and let evidence-based medicine determine the best patient outcomes,” she said.

Shawver’s statements came as more than 500 opponents of limiting access to abortions and other women’s health care protested at the Statehouse.

Contact Chelsea Miller at 329-7123 or cmiller@chroniclet.com. Follow her on Twitter @ChelseaMillerCT.


  • Daniel Sutter

    Quit using the terms “women’s health” and “family planning”, it is abortion and abortion clinics. If you want to kill your baby, it is none of my business(except when taxes pay for it), just be honest with yourselves.

    • Beth

      Agreed. Catchy terms like “pro life” and ‘pro choice’ are silly. Say what you want: abortion or no abortion.

    • Derp

      Yeah, Nevermind the all the other help they give. Just focus on the 2% that you dont like.

      So you are probably pretty happy about the Abortionplex they are building next year?

      • Daniel Sutter

        Go to a family planning center and ask for help planning your family, Ohhhh they don’t do that.

        • Derp

          clearly you have never been to one

          Projection is a hell of a thing isnt it?

          • Daniel Sutter

            You’re right, but I have watched videos of people asking about planning a family. Yeahh they don’t do that…..

          • Beth

            This is where I disagree :-) I have been to a planned parenthood to receive birth control and they had no problem helping me pick what kind and we talked about when I wanted to have kids and future plans.

          • Daniel Sutter

            Yeah, then it should be called, Not having a family planning. That would be honest. If you can pay for internet then you can pay for your own bithcontrol, don’t be a leach on the taxpayer.

          • Beth

            Well when I was using them I didn’t have internet access, just the library. I didn’t have a phone and I drove a $1000 car. Thanks to PP I was able to delay having kids until I wanted them. I miss that car though, but now I do have kids I drive something a little safer.

    • hottamomma

      i think it should b up to the individual person. personally id rather pay my taxes on an abortion than on raising a ghetto child who will eventually be on welfare and doing crime, so in the end you end up paying more for not having an abortion. not making it easily available will make more crime and more parents torturing there unwanted kid, i guess u would rather that happen than for the poor baby to go straight to heaven. by the way im not trying to offend anyone, just saying.

      • Daniel Sutter

        Kill them before they are a problem????

        • hottamomma

          yes, at least they will be in heaven. would u rather them be abused for 18 yrs? u want them to be tortured? cause most people who wants and abortion and doesnt get it, isnt gonna let anyone adopt that child. they r going to keep it so they can torture it. id rather see the baby in heaven having peace

          • Pablo Jones

            Adoption? or Raise the kid without beating them? You are basically saying everyone who had an abortion would have beaten and abused their kids. Maybe we should just execute everyone that tries to have an abortion since they are so bad.

          • hottamomma

            maybe yall should, if killing is ur thing, but with a pregnant woman its her child, she not ur child. its hers and she should be able to do what she want to do with her child, the only person that should have anything to say about is god, and he will.

          • Pablo Jones

            I have an 8 year old child. Should I be allowed to abort her? 27th trimester abortions.

          • hottamomma

            dont ask me, its ur child, its none of my business what u do with ur child. its between u and god, not no other human being

          • Pablo Jones

            And extrapolating your thinking out. A rape isn’t anyone’s business but the victim and the rapist. And if the rapist decides to kill them afterwards it’s no ones business. Let’s just do away with all laws and police.

          • hottamomma

            i said nothing about a rapist. i just said i cant tell u what u cant and can do with ur own child. i said nothing about rape. a rapist isnt mine or yours a rapist is his or her own person. but a baby is mine or urs. not the publics

          • Pablo Jones

            Hey you leave the rapist and his victim alone. It doesn’t concern you. Let them work it out.

            Fine though, if you have a kid you should be allowed to do whatever you want with it. So I guess you would be ok if a mother sells her daughter for sex, drugs, or whatever.

          • hottamomma

            no i wouldnt be okay with. but my god said do not judge, let him be the judge.

          • Pablo Jones

            Well your god does not run the country. If someone said their god says it is ok, would you just let it happen?

            The Bible tells be to go out and spread God’s word and to enlighten people in the errors of their way. If no one is to judge then there would be no errors in the way people live.

          • hottamomma

            exactlyspread the but do not judge. like i said i dont believe we should let govt tell anyone what they can and cant do with their own bodies. if u let them in now, they arent gonna ever leave. it will b something else next, but it will be to late

          • Peter Aldrich

            Can we abort you retroactively, (un)hottamomma? And you cowards that hide behind fake names……..

          • hottamomma

            i wish my parents wouldve aborted me, then i wouldnt b in this hell, i would b with y father. what up with the name calling? r u that childish? u must b a feral cat, i will just let accorti take care of u! lol lol. cowards also hide online and not go face to face! ha ha

          • hottamomma

            i have no right to tell u what u can and cant do with ur own child

          • Joe Smith

            So you think God would be pro abortion? Also, it is the child of both the mother AND the father

          • hottamomma

            no i do not. but like god said do not judge, let him be the judge

          • CharlesMartel732

            I would urge you to research the lie that has been sold to people as “do not judge, let God judge.” It’s true that God does judge us. It is not true that we are not supposed to speak out against, or correct our fellow man when they are in error or committing a grave sin, such as abortion.

            Fraternal correction, which Christianity calls us to do, has nothing to do with God as the ultimate judge of our souls after death.

            The child that you advocate killing belongs to, and is a gift from Almighty God. Killing an unborn child is one of the 4 sins that cry out to God for vengeance.

            So much evil has been permitted to go unchecked because Christians have been fooled into thinking that because they correct one another they believe they are sitting in the Judgement seat of Almighty God.

          • hottamomma

            u r right we should say something, but the government has no right to tell u what u can and cant do with ur body. its up to the individual person to listen or not to listen. would u think it was right if the govt told u all men had to cut their 3rd leg in half?

          • CharlesMartel732

            I agree, the government has no right to tell us what to do with our own bodies, however, an innocent, unborn child is not the property of the mother, it is not her body. That is another lie that we are being led to believe.

            How unfortunate that people create a child, most of the time out of wedlock, and then destroy that child because the child is inconvenient and unwanted. And turn around and want taxpayers to subsidize their sin and irresponsibility.

            I find it interesting that persons on the left say that the government has no right to tell them what to do when it concerns destroying an unborn child but jump to endorse Obamacare which does encroach into their personal freedom and into what they eat, etc.

          • hottamomma

            u r right its not her body or child its gods child, and i will let her and god handle it, i will try and make her do right but its up to her to decide. and we definitely need to get obamacare the heck outta here!

          • CharlesMartel732

            I agree with you, in the end we all make our decisions and have to live with them. I do not pretend to be sinless, I have much to answer for. Until we stand before the Judgement seat of Almighty God, let us do all we can to urge others not to do something that may cost them their eternal salvation.

            I think we are winning the current battle regarding Obamacare. If the republicans and people of good will stand strong I believe we can win this thing.

            Best wishes to you.

          • Peter Aldrich

            Fathers too, and Father should have say. If Mother say she doesn’t know who the Father is, than she’s a HO

          • hottamomma

            yes fathers should have a say. matter of fact the father should automatically have to take care of the child if the mom dont want it. no ifs ands or buts. or go to jail, that would stop a lot of these whorish men from hitting it and quitting it. and if the momma dont know who the daddy is then the daddy is a HO!

        • mdr12372

          Read Freakonomics. It’s a great book that covers the abortion and crime connection.

          • Beth

            Also a movie on Netflix.

  • stargazer2012

    “It’s time that Ohio calls on Gov. Kasich to get out of our exam rooms, get out of delivery rooms, get out of our surgery suites and let evidence-based medicine determine the best patient outcomes,” she said. ~~~~ That’s odd that Democrat Karen Shawver would say something like this because this is exactly what Obamacare does!! It even has ‘death panels’ like Planned Parenthood! And need I say, ABORTION is NOT HEALTHCARE Ms. Shawver! Abortion is murder for convenience, plain and simple!

  • Roxanne

    *rolls eyes* stupid humans… you are not my god so stop acting like you are. My life, my choice. Make choices for yourself not for everyone else.

    • Mark B

      The Democrat way , they know whats best for EVERYONE

      • Beth

        The republican way, they know whats best for women.

        • Joe Smith

          How about everybody be responsible for yourself

          • hottamomma

            exactly joe, everyone be responsible for yourself and stay out of other peoples business. thats the problem everybody is in everybody else business. just because anyone doesnt agree with some else doesnt make it wrong or right. GREAT POINT U MADE!

          • Mark B

            Be responsible for yourself , not depend on the goverment for welfare , WIC , school lunches ect ……

          • hottamomma

            thats exactly right!

        • Daniel Sutter

          How come when obamacare increased the age for breast exams by 14 years, women didn’t complain??? That’s women’s health care. What the dem’s want you to think women’s health care is abortions and birth control.

          • hottamomma

            cause we dont care as much for breast and men do. lol lol

          • mdr12372

            OBAMACARE is not insurance! it doesn’t set those provisions.

          • Spitty

            Obamacare is chalk full of insurance provisions.

          • mdr12372

            Meanwhile the ACA, which became law in March 2010, contained a specific repudiation of the task force’s new guidelines:

            “…the current recommendations of the United States Preventive Service Task Force regarding breast cancer screening, mammography and prevention shall be considered the most current other than those issued in or around November 2009,” according to the statute.

            Result: For women over 40, routine screenings every 1 to 2 years must be included in coverage plans without a copayment or co-insurance. The section of the law that deals with Medicare contains similar wording. [NIH Record, 9/13/13]

          • mdr12372

            in other words, stop watching Fox news.

          • Spitty

            mdr, are you dressing as a sheep for halloween?

          • Daniel Sutter

            If it wasn’t for fox revealing what the panel wanted to do the ages would have been bumped up.. You should be thanking fox for revealing the true nature of obamacare and the democrats that truly want to control women’s health.

          • Daniel Sutter

            Glad we agree that the democrats dictate women’s health. Obama’s panel came up with the ages I gave, when fox revealed it Obama back pedaled.

    • Derp

      Your God’s book says you have to marry your rapist.

      Thats the road you prefer???

      • Pablo Jones

        Did you read that yourself or are you just repeating something you heard?

        • Derp

          Old Testament. Take a look its in a book.

          Too bad you dont read though

          • Pablo Jones

            The bible is a collection of books. I’ve read it as well as the Koran. Now where exactly did you see it in the old testament.

          • Beth

            Det 22:28-29 I have that one memorized

          • Pablo Jones

            This is just another example of poor translations in the Bible the get repeated. The original words used between the one that says she needs to marry and then one where she is innocent of the rape are different. Below is one of the most detailed explanations if you care to read it.

            http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/ot_and_rape.htm

          • Beth

            I’ve read the Bible. Seems to me that any diety worth its salt would be able to make sure that it’s holy book is translated correctly. But that’s just me I guess.

          • Beth

            But if she doesn’t scream then you put her to death: Deuteronomy 22:23-24

    • hottamomma

      exactly, if they let the govt in their business now, then they will be sorry in the future when they get in our business even more. pretty soon they r going to say what kind of car u can have. u r absolutely right let everyone make their own choices, people need to stay out of other peoples business. they r only in peoples business cause the dont have any business of their own

    • Ray Venn

      Your “life” my azz…

      It’s the baby’s life you’re ending and you’re only 1/3 of the equation.

      I bet you wouldn’t call it “pro-choice” if the choice was made to end YOUR life instead of the child’s.

      Remember here’s THREE people involved in abortion. The father, the child and the monster that wants to kill it.

    • hottamomma

      u see all these people is in ur business now! they need to mind there own. one guy said there r 3 people involved in an abortion, its not, its a lot more its all the people that is in the peoples business like the picketers and the people that dont have business of their own

  • Beth

    How about we just let women make their own choices…or don’t these men think our brains work?

    • Joe Smith

      You are right, take the money for your own job and pay for the services and make your own choices. You are wanting to be all independent so be independent.

    • Spitty

      Beth, you should make your own choices. Just don’t ask me to fund them.

      • hottamomma

        the govt make there own choices and we have to fund them regardless if we agree or not. so i dont c a difference. i would rather fund and abortion than to fund a unwanted child for life which will probably be abused for 18 yrs and then rob u. when u couldve sent that baby to heaven in the first place. i wish my parents wouldve sent me to heaven instead of making me live in this devilish world

    • Ray Venn

      Hey Beth, that “choice” involves THREE people…why be so selfish and self centered and leave two other individuals out of the decision?

      If a pregnant woman is killed, the MAJORITY of Americans believe TWO lives are lost. Get with the times barbarian…

      • Beth

        No one can use my body unless I say so. If my dad needs a kidney I’m not required by law to give it to him, why should a bundle of cells get to use my uterus? And pregnancy isn’t always black and white…its a health issue for the woman.

    • Daniel Sutter

      Just as many females against abortion, but that doesn’t fit in with your scenario.

      • Beth

        If a woman doesn’t want one she shouldn’t get one. Easy as that.

        • Daniel Sutter

          It all is on what you believe. Remember, not too long ago it was excepted to kill the wife when the husband died (or just pissed him off). Abortion is closer to china, that kills when the gender is not what they want. I really don’t care, but just call it what it is, “I don’t want to be bother with a child so I want to kill him/her”.(excluding rape of course, a choice wasn’t made)

  • Joe Smith

    So use the insurance the Gov is throwing down our throat instead

  • Spitty

    When one hears the term “Planned Parenthood, you would think it would involve counseling young pregnant women on how to “Plan” on becoming a responsible “Parent.” Not “Planning” on how to get rid of a situation to prevent you from becoming a “Parent.” Perhaps a name change is in order? Bottom line is this, it shouldn’t be funded by taxpayers. Period. Also, reading Shawver’s comments indicates that she must oppose Obamacare, right?

    • hottamomma

      the govt shouldnt be funded by tax payers with thme being shut down and all

  • JoyceEarly

    Good! Defund Planned Parenthood, make people pay their own way if they want an abortion. It’s shouldn’t be subsidized by the taxpayers.

    • mdr12372

      omg, the stupidity around here is mindnumbing. And don’t forget, defund the poor who can’t afford female exams or birth control. Prolife until birth, right? Then forget about it.

      • JoyceEarly

        Yes it is. I didn’t say stop exams I said stop making taxpayers pay for abortions. On the subject of stupidity. Read the comment

        • Beth

          Tax money didn’t go to abortions, it went to health care like exams. That is what the government is taking away.

          • JoyceEarly

            It did go to abortions. Check your information! Ask around I bet you know a dozen people who had their abortion paid for by Planned Parenthood.

      • Joe Smith

        If you can’t afford birth control that means you can’t afford a child and you should keep your legs shut. The same goes for a man who keeps fathering babies and won’t support them.

        • hottamomma

          yeah they should keep their legs shut and their 3rd leg in the pants, but they r not, and more and more of these younger generations dont care about a baby. so thats y im pro choice, if u dont care about a baby and if u r not going to give it up for adoption but u r going to have and abortion or abuse it, i would rather they abort the child so the child can be happy not living on this earth being abused, not only by the parent but by this government and all the bad in this world. i wish my parents wouldve sent me to my father in heaven when i was in the womb, so i wouldnt have to deal with all this b/s out here these days. i know u feel differently but that is what makes us unique, we all have our own opinions

    • hottamomma

      the non essential workers in the govt shouldnt be funded by tax payers either