November 26, 2014

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Lorain state representative questions new food stamp rule

Dan Ramos

Dan Ramos

A new state rule eliminating food stamps for able-bodied people not working 20 hours per week or in job training 20 hours per week, is punitive, according to state Rep. Dan Ramos, D-Lorain.

Ramos said the requirement, which takes effect Jan. 1. in 72 Ohio counties including Lorain County, penalizes unemployed people. Ramos said many jobless people lack computers or cars to apply for jobs, meaning finding work can be a full-time occupation.

“They should be concentrating their time on finding the next job, not worrying about specific program requirements that some Columbus bureaucrat needs,” Ramos said Monday. “Instead, they’re going to have to find transportation and find a way to (meet) some other requirement.”

Federal law requires all able-bodied and mentally fit adults between 18 and 50 who don’t have children under 18 and aren’t pregnant to receive food stamps for only three months in a three-year period unless they are working 20 hours per week or are in job training for 20 hours per week. In 2008, during the recession, a federal waiver of the law was approved statewide.

On Sept. 6, the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services announced the waiver would only apply in 16 counties. Those counties have had a two-year average of 120 percent or more than the average national unemployment rate, according to department spokesman Benjamin Johnson.

The change will affect about 134,000 of the 1.8 million Ohioans receiving food stamps through the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program run by the U.S. Department of Agriculture. It will affect about 3,600 county residents.

In a Thursday letter to Republican Gov. John Kasich, Ramos and state Rep. Michael Ashford, D-Toledo, wrote that some county Job and Family Services offices have said they will be unable to place all their required clients in job training or temporary work. However, Johnson said there is federal taxpayer and state taxpayer money for counties to help clients meet the requirement. He said training helps people find work.

“It’s certainly not our intent to reduce the (food stamp) caseload,” Johnson said. “It is our intent to provide more than just a monetary benefit.”

Kasich spokesman Rob Nichols said the waiver was never meant to be permanent and was reserved for hard times.

“Things are getting better now,” he said. “People are going back to work, and the governor believes in the work requirement.”

Ramos disagreed. Some 9 million jobs have been lost nationally since the recession, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and a record 46 million people were receiving food stamps last year, according to the USDA. The Lorain County unemployment rate in August was 7.4 percent, compared with the 7.3 percent overall in Ohio. The unemployment rate was about 6 percent before the recession.

Ohio ranks 44th in job creation nationally, according to Arizona State University’s Carey School of Business. One of six Ohioans faces “food insecurity,” meaning they are unsure if they will be able to feed themselves or their families, according to the USDA.

“The most basic of human needs is not being met,” Ramos said. “I don’t think it’s time to be picking and choosing who deserves to eat.”

Contact Evan Goodenow at 329-7129 or egoodenow@chroniclet.com.


  • GreatRedeemer

    The baby Momma can just share the EBT with the baby Daddy.

    Money for training and busy work is not going to reduce the
    costs to the taxpayers.

  • stillsleepyeyes

    I don’t see him doing or saying anything about bring jobs to the area???

    • Macdaddyoh

      Sam Kinison used to talk about the starving people in africa. The one thing I remember him making a joke of that made a ton of sense to me was “MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS”, IT’S A DESERT, FOOD DON’T GROW IN SAND” The same principal can be applied here. Move to where the jobs are you bunch of dummies and better your kids future considering you’re choosing to be a big loser.

      • Believeland

        Um, you do know that people are born in the deserts, right? And that people in poverty in Africa don’t have the money to move? Wow this is ignorant. And prejudice.

        • oldruss

          Apparently none of these unemployed, and apparently unemployable, single adults (the state rule and federal law only applies to those 18-50 years of age, who are without children, and are not pregnant) have heard of the United Farm Workers of America campaign, “Take My Job”. I guess Dan Ramos hasn’t heard of the program, either.

          Instead of food stamps, how about a one-way bus ticket to Fresno, California, or any where else these poor souls want to go to get a job through the United Farm Workers of America.

          http://www.ufw.org/toj_play/TOJNEW_12_JAL.html

          • stop ur whining

            bc the do not want to work. the farmers took a beating hiring illegal immigrants a few years ago. Stephen Colbert came to their aid. they posted all the jobs, some 10,000 jobs and only illegals applied bc those on welfare are making more money sitting on their couches. its embarrassing.

        • Macdaddyoh

          You are missing the point. Lorain has made countless offers with tax breaks to many large corporations in order to bring jobs here. The corporations just choose not to come. Stop using lazy and broke as your excuse to why others cant have a better life. It’s one foot in front of the other. Pack a bag and get walking to the jobs WHEREVER they are. What do you have to lose, A welfare check? BTW, regarding your transit comment…I have 4 aunts who have lived in the same house in Cleveland for 55 years. One is a retired teacher from Our Lady of Angels. She used RTA her entire 38 year career. I’am not saying it wasn’t a hassle. However, none of them have their license still today.

          • stop ur whining

            its amazing the excuses people use in order to justify being on welfare instead of having a job. i am tired of taking care of deadbeats!

          • Macdaddyoh

            This is no BS. I had a family member stand in line at the lorain welfare line for 8 hours and get denied. But in the time waiting she listend in on a conversation with a gal who had 8 babies. She told the welfare worker she was giving them up for adoption. She cannot afford to feed her babies. So, she gave them up for adoption… to her mother! Now, Babies momma collects a check for whatever and Gramma collects a check on all 8 adoptive babies. Remember, it’s to the best intrest of the children to remain with family.
            What is the amount per kid?
            Let’s say its $800 per child x 12 x 8 = $ 77,000 annually. COM’ON MAN!!! SHAME ON THE POLITICIANS THAT ARE AWARE OF THIS KIND OF SCAM!!

          • stop ur whining

            it is embarrassing. people today lack pride and self respect. i just do not understand that people would have a problem with cracking down on welfare fraud. im shocked at all the people that say i am some kind of heartless monster bc i believe that you should provide for yourself and your children. My heart is for my family and my brains and b a l l s are for business. It is terrible that there are kids out there starving to death, but currently they are starving for nothing. why not force those that can work to work so maybe they learn some responsibility. maybe their children are taught to work hard and prosper. it is a pie in the sky dream, but hey, dreams are what makes life tolerable.

          • whatever

            There is no way your family member waited in line 8 hours at the welfare office. If you believe that you will believe anything

  • Joe Smith

    Anybody know where you can get the text of this law? Thank you

  • SniperFire

    What garbage. Trade journal ranks Ohio No. 2 for job creation

    Read more: http://www.cantonrep.com/newsnow/x1959350138/Trade-journal-ranks-Ohio-No-2-for-job-creation#ixzz2j7NuAYfP

  • taxpayer89

    Funny how not having a car or computer is used as an excuse to find work. I walked back in the day looking for a job and the library has computers people can use free of charge!!!

    • Macdaddyoh

      Yeah right….bicycles get great milage in the city.
      The stats dont lie, you make more money on welfare then you do working 40 hrs at some of the places offering work. What ever happend to government cheese, powdered milk and rice for the ones who choose to get a free meal? Why are non workers allowed to purchase pork chops, steaks, whole chickens, turkey legs, chicken wings, Boreshead luch meat & much more with my tax dollars when I can’t afford it myself? WHY WHY WHY???

  • JoyceEarly

    We don’t feed the bears because they may become dependent. We don’t apply this simple logic to humans. Give them everything what incentive do they have to work? This is much needed reform, in fact it needs to be more strict!

  • stop ur whining

    i have zero problem with welfare being cut to those that should be working. I do not buy Ramos b.s. if you can work, you should. I have been working since i was 14. I had no car, but still managed to get to work. I had no training, but guess what, i still found work. Those low paying jobs that required no training served as a reminder of what was waiting in the real world so i chose to get an education. Was it easy? Not by a long shot. But it is possible to attain prosperity if you want it. I work hard for my money and expect everyone else that is capable to do the same. If you are able to work and are choosing to be on welfare, STARVE TO DEATH. If you were dumb enough to reproduce while being unable to support yourself, well, let your kid starve too. If you are on welfare, you need to start accepting your role in your situation. Not all the poor are poor by choice, i accept that. But at least some of those wounds are self inflicted.

    • Tamra Tury

      You lost me at..”let your kid starve too” Do you think they chose to be born with poor parents? NO child deserves to starve PERIOD!!

      • stop ur whining

        ever heard of paying for the sins of your father? Again, i feel for those that, thru no fault of their own are in a mess like that but enough is enough. Maybe if there was not widespread abuse of welfare. I agree that a child has nothing to do with parents being deadbeats. it would be 100% the parents fault. perhaps if we as a society began to accept responsibility this would not be an issue. Maybe if a few children on welfare starve to death it would be a wake up call to people. Just bc you could have a baby doesn’t mean you should have a baby. I make decisions based on what i can afford to do and when i can afford to do it. I am just now to the point where i can afford a child, i saved, worked hard, and my child will be provided for. Why is it that the ghetto poor cant live by the same credo?

        • Bill

          Speechless at your comment. Do you actually think that letting a couple children starve to death it would be a wake up call? Are you blind. Where have you been your entire lifetime? There are hundreds of thousands of children that starve to death every year and it obviously hasn’t been a wake up call for you.

          • stop ur whining

            Obviously not speechless Bill. haha. I get it, there are poor, and it is a terrible plight. But at the same time we are the only species on Earth that doesn’t “thin the heard” the ignorant and lazy reproduce three to four times as fast as the intelligent and hardworking. Our country is being taken over by a lazy generation that has nothing to contribute to society and would prefer to be a drain on everyone else. We simply can no longer support those that have zero desire to contribute, so let them all starve. Wake up America and looks whats happening!

          • Tamra Tury

            You said “ever heard of paying for the sins of your father?” I highly doubt you understand what that means but I want you to remember that if and when you have children of your own, because God will.
            “we are the only species that doesn’t thin the heard”
            We are Gods children and we are supposed to know better so who’s the ignorant one?
            PS- Just because you can afford a baby doesn’t mean you should have one either! I’d rather spend $36 a year to feed a hungry person than have anymore like you amongst us.

          • stop ur whining

            Jesus this, Moses that, Abraham hit me with a wiffle ball bat. Give the God talk up lady. If you believe in God and understand the morality that accompanies it you would understand that God gives us free will. It is not God’s will that people have children. But while we are on the subject of God and morality…Isnt it also a rule that you are to be married before engaging in intercourse? All of these poor children your defending were created against God’s will if we lived in your world. These are children concieved in SIN!

            As for my children…They will learn to be moral and just. They will be taught to love and respect all until given a reason not to. They will be taught that helping others is important but not at the sacrifice of your family. They will also be taught that if you want something in this world you are going to have to want it more than the rest of the world.

            Welfare has gone too far, there are too many free loaders that can work, and refuse to work bc doing nothing is more profitable and easier. Your belief in God is fine and dandy, but is God paying to take care of these people? NO, I am taking care of these bums. This article is about a forcing those that are able to work, to get off their butts and get to work instead of milking the system. These people are cockroaches and deserve to be cut off.

          • Tamra Tury

            You started the God talk not me and I’ll speak about God whenever I want too ..so get over yourself.
            I don’t care what your beliefs are, in my world every child deserves to eat,even yours.
            You assumption that every child that gets assistance was born out of wedlock or “born in SIN” just proves how little you know about the subject.
            There is a big difference between saying that some people abuse the system and it needs to be fixed or saying that children should starve because of it!

          • stop ur whining

            1) i never once mentioned God, so we are clear. you went on a religious rant an ignored completely what i was saying. Is it terrible that there are poor children that thru no fault of their own were born to total garbage that will never adequately care for the child? 100%, it is terrible. However there must be a line. Do i promote a child starving to death? NEVER. but i am smart enough to know that currently there are 1000′s of kids starving as we speak. They are collateral damage, just like those killed in a war. Terrible of course, but necessary at the time.

            We currently spend more money on a welfare system that is completely broken. We have generations being raised on welfare. you blast me as some terrible monster, let me ask you this, am i more terrible then their scum bag parents that allow them to live on welfare? that isn’t even being a parent seeing as the number one rule in being a parent is to provide for your children.

            further more you are completely out to lunch about the notion of single mothers on welfare. look up the numbers, as always, numbers do not lie. a majority of those on welfare are women, unmarried, with children. go ahead, look it up, i will wait.

            Now, you are an adult, and whom you worship, is your business. Where you work, that is your business. What you do with your money, that is your business, so feel free to give to the poor. The only time what you do with your money means anything to me, is if you are one of the free loaders this article is directly talking about. If you are one of those degenerates…

            GET TO WORK! bc i am sick and tired of helping keep you afloat! Get a job, get to work, or get out of this country. I find it humorous that illegal immigrants cross our boarders in droves and all manage to find work. But there are generations of Americans just letting the government take care of them…maybe i am different, but if i was on welfare i would be so tremendously embarrassed that i would work 16 hour days until i was off it. doesn’t matter what the job would be, i would be doing it. that is what adults do. they accept their role in their debacle and fix it. at least that is what people used to do. Now they let the goveremnt take care of them. ZERO WORK ETHIC, ZERO PRIDE, and ZERO RESPECT.

          • Bill

            “1) i never once mentioned God, so we are clear.”

            Pure semantics.
            With the statement
            “ever heard of paying for the sins of your father?”

            If I’m not mistaken that is from the Bible. The account of Gods works.

          • stop ur whining

            sin, and the sins of the father do not just come from the bible. it happens to be in the bible, as well as many other works. seems like i hit a nerve with ya billy huh?

          • Bill

            Why would you think you hit a nerve from my last statement? Shouldn’t assume……you know what that makes you.It happens to be in the bible because that is where it originated from and please give reference to those other works that contain that passage please.

          • stop ur whining

            television, movies, other books. just bc it was the saying “origins” (which i am not even willing to concede btw,) hardly means that i had to mean the bible. that is just the way you took it. who is assuming now?

          • stop ur whining

            google the phrase and the first page points to the bible…NONE times. thanks for playing.

          • stop ur whining

            moms basement. hahaha. or we can try the truth, i run a company, am college educated, have a nice home, nice car, and want for nothing. Not bragging mind you, just making a point. I worked very hard for what i earned and have little sympathy for those that choose not to better themselves. thanks for playing billy. see ya next time.

          • stop ur whining

            and the reason i think i have an intelligent response to everything you say…well it is because i do. have voiced nothing that isn’t supported by facts. good day billy.

          • therest_ofthestory

            What are your feelings on abortion?

          • Charles Parker

            and sir you are the proof that the stupid continue to reproduce.now if we can begin to thin the stupid herd, we may understand that we as a country give more in welfare to corporations then to the poor

          • stop ur whining

            right, im the ignorant one…im the one who worked my tail off to get educated in order to support my family. I will give my family everything they need including a swift kick in the behind when they do something wrong.

            I am not the problem sir, you and all the other bleeding hearts of the world are the problem. you people are like drug dealers keeping junkies stocked with drugs. welfare fraud is rampant thru our country and every time some one tries to fix it all you hear about is the children.

            Whatever happen to personal responsibility. what happened to making it on your own steam? These virtues are lost on our society bc it is easier to sit back and let someone take care of you. NO THANK YOU. I am a big boy and handle my own problems. I do not make poor decisions like reproducing when i can not support myself, and getting an education in order to provide the life for my family that anyone that calls themselves a parent would do.

            i never said that i think kids should die…all i said is that they are collateral damage. It happens all the time in war and there is never this big a fuss. is it horrible, of course, but it is also life. All we are trying to do is make it harder for people to commit welfare fraud and the bleeding hearts wont hear it. its embarrassing.

            Finally you say we give as much charity to corporations as we do the poor trying to justify taking care of those who have less. I would rather give tax abatement and refunds to someone that produces jobs, and revenue that helps the economy instead of people that can work, and should work, but would rather collect a check.

            you need to wake up Charles. are all the poor lazy? NOPE, are all the poor deserving of what they got? not by a long shot. Unfortunately the minority ruin it for the masses. welfare was designed to be a stop gap, a bridge to get you by until you recovered. Now it has become a life style! so you go ahead, take in these families. feed them, cloth them, let them sleep in your house. we will see exactly how long you tolerate.

        • Joe Smith

          stop ur whining Tamra Tury
          • 3 hours ago

          “ever heard of paying for the sins of your father?”

          So if your father robbed a bank, you think YOU should go to jail for it? If you say yes, you are lying or really stupid, if you say no, you are a hypocrite.

          • stop ur whining

            you are comparing apples to oranges but what the heck, i will debate it anyways.

            If i am on welfare with three children and am capable of working but am not working. I am then guilty of fraud and should be punished by means of incarceration. Instead, i am allowed to continue committing fraud and continuing to get compensated for doing so…there in lies the difference. The children of the latter, are doomed to repeat the sins of the father. if you need proof do some research in to the generations on welfare.

            Now if my father robs a bank, he goes to jail, there is your apples and oranges. a bank robber breaks the law and is held accountable…welfare fraud is not just permitted, but the idea of trying to make it harder to commit and the bleeding hearts of the world unite and cry foul.

            but i suppose i am a stupid hypocrite right? i work exceedingly hard for the money i make. I wasn’t happy with the money i made so i went out and got an education. If you want something go and get it, do not sit idly by and wait for someone to give you something you didn’t earn. I mean really? i need to support people that are too irresponsible to get their act together?

            welfare is now like a drug. its like giving a heroin addict a fresh steady supply of heroin. we allow people to raise generations on public assistance. when is enough enough?

          • Joe Smith

            I would say apples to oranges was crossed when you said children should starve because the parent is capable of working.

            Show me a law where it is fraud to be on welfare when you are capable of working, if there are no jobs available, you can be on welfare yet still capable and are not committing fraud.

            you say the robber robs a bank, HE goes to jail and is held accountable for what he did, but how is it ok for a child to pay the price when the father committed the crime? ( welfare fraud )

            Also look up stats about the children of criminals ( Bank robbery example) and you will also see where they are likely to repeat the sins of the father and commit crimes…same concept.

            I don’t support the welfare continuing generation to generation but I also don’t think children who have not committed a crime YET should be punished by a slow painful death of starvation because daddy is on welfare.

            I have earned every penny I get and do quite well, I just don’t want children to suffer because they they may have a deadbeat father ( or mother)

            Having no compassion for an adult who in a position due to their own doing is one thing but to want a child to suffer horribly because of the adult is a whole another thing.

            You don’t want to suffer paying for someones welfare
            ( you may have to do without some toy you want) because it is not your fault they are on welfare but you would be ok for a child to suffer a horrifying death over the same person being on welfare and also not being the childs fault.

            i am not going to continue this debate, to want a child to starve to death is horrible and says a lot about you and maybe karma will let you no how wrong you are one day.

            I hope you have a better life than what you wish on poor children even though you don’t deserve it in my opinion.

          • stop ur whining

            I get it, i do. they are collateral damage. it sucks but it is a fact that we can not support those that have become dependent on a welfare check each month. It is 100% fraud if you are collecting a welfare check, are capable of working and choose not to work. There are tons of jobs available. go work at burger king or mc donalds. the problem is that they make more on welfare. that is OUR fault in all this. society wants you to feel for these people. IM sorry, i don’t, i do not feel bad one iota. if you want to donate your hard earner money to these people feel free, but i don’t. Is it the kids fault, no, its not, but in every war there is collateral damage, it is a fact of life.

            THIS IS FOR ALL THOSE ON WELFARE, GET A JOB, SAVE YOUR MONEY. DO NOT BUY BLUE Tooth’s FOR YOUR SMART PHONE. DO NOT DO DRUGS OR PARTICIPATE IN ANYTHING THAT IS A FINANCIAL STRAIN. SAVE MORE THEN YOU SPEND LIKE THE REST OF THE CONTRIBUTORS TO SOCIETY!

          • stop ur whining

            and you know what they say about opinions. your welcome to keep yours and i will keep mine. I never wish for anyone to suffer. that is not what i said. but we need solutions to the catastrophic strain that welfare has. DO you have any idea where welfare comes from? what it was intended to be used for? you condemn me as some unmoral, terrible monster. you couldn’t be more wrong.

            unlike you however, I save my compassion for those that matter…my family. every dollar more i have to contribute to welfare is one less dollar i have for my family. Maybe you should be condemning those on welfare for not thinking more like me? Maybe if those on welfare CARED about their kids they would work hard to provide for them. Unfortunately those on welfare normally see another kid as a dollar sign. more kids equals more government assistance. Now who is the monster? to procreate out of lust and have a child you can not support and i am the monster. Give it a rest,

          • Tamra Tury

            Well said Sir! I’m done also. Knowing there are people like this out there just makes me sad. :(

          • Joe Smith

            Yep, people like him don’t have compassion until they are the one in trouble, be safe Tamra

          • stop ur whining

            save your compassion for your family. i don’t need it and never will. i care for those that matter….my family, the rest…they can or should be able to take care of themselves. Joe, you and Tamra, can take care of the bums. I can not even believe that educated individuals would be so blind and naive. We are talking about making it harder for those committing welfare fraud to get by. This country is officially nuts.

            Maybe if more people thought like i did we wouldn’t have such a problem with welfare. maybe if more parents on welfare actually loved their children they wouldn’t be on welfare anymore. When do we as a society hold people accountable for their decisions and accept the consequences, collateral and otherwise. You guys go ahead and donate your salaries to the poor so i can be let off the hook bc i am tired of taking care of someone else kids bc they are too stupid or simply do not care enough about the kid to do it themselves.

          • Joe Smith

            Oh go stomp some kittens and giggle at the starving children, we weren’t talking to you.

          • stop ur whining

            you actually were talking about me. you directly mention “him” being me. amazing the ignorance that falls upon people.

            you seem to believe that we live in a magical land filled with gumdrops and lolli pops and that we need to make sure that the poor are taken care of.

            what you fail to realize is that we have created a financial monster that we can not sustain. if you care so much, why don’t you take one of these families in off the street. You feed and cloth them. You clean up after them and raise their kids. My guess you last 2 weeks before you snap. 2 weeks before you realize that these poor people are in this situation bc the did it to themselves and that they have little desire to better themselves. keep me posted, let me know how it goes for you.

            p.s. I drown feral cats, not stomp them. do not want to get me shoes messy.

        • Charles Parker

          the things an a$$ will say when u can hide your identity

      • 440patty

        Maybe the parent would think about getting a job to feed their kids if they didn’t have the food stamps coming in.

        • stop ur whining

          DING DING DING….we have a winner! Thanks for playing Patty! People do not get it. We are talking about hurting those that are hurting the economy for no reason other than laziness! If you are capable of working and are collecting a check you deserve to be cut off. Its like giving a heroin addict a constant supply of heroin.

        • Bill

          In a ideal world that is a great idea. The problem that then comes in is the morons who wouldn’t care. The druggies who care more about the next fix more then their children being fed and you cannot let the children starve because their parents are idiots.
          I don’t know what the answers are, maybe going back to the food bank passing out the basic staples to the families who are trying to get a job or have a job that barely covers basic living expenses.
          One thing I know for sure is the mindset of letting the children starve to death because of the actions of their parents is idiotic.

          • stop ur whining

            bill what is a main function of a parent? to provide and care for, to protect, and raise. If you are on welfare, or rather in this articles case, abusing welfare, please tell me exactly how you are a parent? if these people actually were parents, then we would not be having this discussion. I would never, ever, EVER be on welfare and for no other reason except that i am too proud to need anyone to take care of me. Furthermore i would never bring a child into the world that i could not completely provide for, bc again, that is a MAIN function of a parent.

          • Bill

            Parent is a loose term thrown around and given to people who have not deserved the title. There are many many PARENTS out there who did plan accordingly to have children just to have something catastrophic happen such as a death of one of the parents/providers or a factory closing down etc….that need the assistance and may not be able to get of the system that the government has created. Should those children suffer? Not anymore then the children of parents are whatever you want to call them who abuse the system. Children are innocent in all of this regardless of the actions of their parents.

          • stop ur whining

            again man collateral damage. feel for ‘em, but those are the breaks. is what it is. you can put forth scenarios that paint a fuzzy warm picture. “little girl, your parents died in a fire and now your uncle is going to take care of you, only he cant afford it, so you can get help from the government” . that is all fine and dandy, but how many people on welfare are in this situation? i will wait for you to look into it. while you are at it, also look into where Bigfoot is hiding, the location of Santa workshop, and the location of the Easter bunny.

            The reality is that there is widespread abuse of the welfare system. generations of people on welfare. I will tell you what, I am all in for taking care of little suzi and her uncle if you agree to cut off all of those that abuse the system daily.

          • stop ur whining

            and parent is not a lose term by any means. maybe in the decayed world you live in. a parent is someone you feeds, clothes and provides for you. that nurtures you, and raises you to surpass your parent in life. there is NOTHING LOOSE ABOUT IT. NOTHING!

          • Bill

            Your reading comprehensive skills are severely lacking.
            It is a loose term when applied to those who are irresponsible and careless in the raising, nurturing and caring of their children.

          • stop ur whining

            then you and i agree on one thing sir. the collateral damage i guess we agree to disagree. good day

          • John Boy

            Government assistance is like a drug and once you become addicted it’s very difficult to get off of the “drug”. We are not doing favors to the people by allowing them to be dependent on the government for sustenance.
            With that being said I would never advocate to not feed a hungry child. A lazy, hungry adult on the other hand I’m not so sure.

      • Denise Caruloff

        it is the parents responsibility to make sure the children are fed. My family didn’t have a money tree out back..mom and dad made every effort to put food on the table..even if it meant working more than one job..which they did..
        .I had a neighbor and his car broke down years back. He walked and I say walked from the central part of lorain to the holiday Inn in Elyria to get to work and home every day!!!!…he was the dish washer there in the restaurant. and yes he had kids! No excuses…tired of this hand out crap. Not buying it..and not buying Ramos…poor excuse for sure.

        • Tamra Tury

          If you think I’m all for handing out food stamps like candy you are mistaken. The system is flawed and there is abuse but its not the children’s fault ,which was my point. We all know someone who walked to work and we all know of someone who abused the system. Neither of those things have any thing to do with letting children starve to death, which is what I commented on in the first place.

  • Larry Crnobrnja

    Dan’s “9 million jobs have been lost nationally” is a straw man. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the unemployment rate has dipped BELOW the pre-2009 level. It’s time these bums pull themselves up by their bootstraps, drag their lazy butts out of the bars and pool halls, and find a job!

  • Macdaddyoh

    Giant Eagle had a sale on coke about 30 days ago…i watched a person with a EBT card fill her shopping cart with roughly 9 cases of coke and pay for it with the card. I said to her WOW someones thirsty, she said no, i’am selling it for cash to a circle K in lorain…I nearly choked on my tongue. What a great deal. Sign me up!

    • Bonnie Pickett

      That owner of the circle K in Lorain should be arrested. I will bet the person buying the coke from her (probably so she can buy drugs) probably wasn’t even born in the USA. I used to see convenient store owners buying groceries in Marc’s N.Olmsted and the cashier said their wives come in and buy groceries (with the same kids in their carts) with food stamps. If only the food stamps went to support the children instead of supporting habits of the parents, there wouldn’t be such a need for food banks. Make people show ID when using food stamps and that would cut down on this – at least they would have to get their lazy butt off the couch to go with the crooks buying their food stamps.

      • Macdaddyoh

        I personally feel gov. cheese, powdered milk, canned veggies, canned/dehydrated fruit, water & some toiletries should be the only items available and distributed on a bi weekly basis. You get your items on a specified time and location with their welfare photo I.D..

      • Larry Crnobrnja

        Did you forget to mention the person purchasing the Coke with an EBT card and reselling it for cash should be arrested?

      • stop ur whining

        why should the circle K get in trouble? man the blame people place these days. its not the person committing fraud that is at fault, its the person selling the product to the person committing the fraud that is at fault. wow, unbelievable.

        • Joe Smith

          Because they are committing a crime and are enabling the person to commit the fraud which makes them an accessory and a criminal. Funny you are for innocent children starving to death because of the sins of their father but are ok with a criminal not getting charged when they commit a crime and would be paying for their own sins.

          • stop ur whining

            news flash skippy…it is not a crime to purchase pop with an ebt card. so a clerk has no reason to not sell it to them. the crime is when you use the EBT card to get pop, then sell the pop for cash to buy drugs or booze. if ignorance is bliss…you must be the happiest person in the world huh?

          • Joe Smith

            Bigger news flash, I was talking about the people who were buying the pop from the ebt recipient which is the Circle K people that you mentioned, not selling to the ebt person.

            Giant Eagle is the one who sold them the pop.

            You shouldn’t call people ignorant when you are the one that was wrong genius.

          • stop ur whining

            “Because they are committing a crime and are enabling the person to
            commit the fraud which makes them an accessory and a criminal.” those are your words skippy. you accused giant eagle of a crime. nice try…thanks for playing.

          • Joe Smith

            Again, I will type a little slower so you can get it this time, it was in response to your post:

            stop ur whining Bonnie Pickett • 19 hours ago
            “why should the circle K get in trouble?”

            If I was responding to the Circle K comment, what would make you think I was talking about Giant Eagle?

            Its the same Circle K that Bonnie was talking about in the post you were responding to when she said

            ” That owner of the circle K in Lorain should be arrested.”

            Again a little slower it was……..about……….Circle…….. K …… not……… Giant ………. Eagle

          • stop ur whining

            what should the owner of circle k get arrested for exactly? are they buying something stolen? Nope. Are the buying something that the safety seal is broken? Nope. The only part that is illegal is the person committing the fraud. the owner of the Circle K is merely a good business man. Buying it cheaper and saving money. Good for him. Circle K is not the problem boy wonder.

          • Joe Smith

            Buying something that was obtained under false pretenses is a crime.

            The EBT person purchased the pop for the purpose of re selling it which is theft by deception because it is not allowed per EBT so yes it is stolen

            The person buying this pop knows this person is not in the business off selling pop so it would be reasonable that the person sellinging it obtained it in an illegal manner which would make it a crime.

            Receiving stolen property is a crime.

            Im not saying its murder or anything, but it is a crime and the store owner knows it.

          • stop ur whining

            you are correct except that it was not obtained thru false pretenses. you can use an EBT card to purchase pop. if it was stolen it would be different, but it is not stolen, it was obtained legally, and resold legally. I get where you are coming from, it is a gray area without a doubt, but the law is black and white, not gray, even though i think we both can agree a little gray could go a long way

          • Joe Smith

            We will just have to agree that both of us are wasting too much time on this, enjoy your week

          • stop ur whining

            agreed. back to work. haha

          • stop ur whining

            you are so full of it! just re-read your entire dribble and you 100% said that the store clerk should be penalized for selling soda to someone with an ebt card. face it bro, im smarter than you on your best and my worst day. I have forgotten more then you have, and will ever be able to comprehend. but again, im the stupid one. go get an education, gets some facts together to support your opinion and get back to me. I could even write you a letter of recommendation to the learning annex of your choice. haha.

          • Joe Smith

            I’m smart enough to know that my post was in response to YOUR post

            stop ur whining Bonnie Pickett
            “why should the circle K get in trouble”

            If I was responding to that, it is obvious that I was talking about Circle K who purchased the pop from the EBT person, NOT Giant Eagle who sold the pop.

            Learn to comprehend the whole conversation, not just the garbage you are spewing at the time.

            I will make it easy

            You: why should the circle K get in trouble?

            Me: Because they are committing a crime and are enabling the person to commit the fraud which makes them an accessory and a criminal

            Buying the pop they know was obtained under false pretenses is a crime unless you are telling me it is ok for the EBT persons to purchase these items on the taxpayers dime for the purpose of reselling it to get the cash. The store is also likely required to purchase their product from approved dealers not Jane off the street for sanitary purposes etc.

            Try again Genius

          • stop ur whining

            provided the safety seal is not broken and the product is not expired a business owner can purchase thru whatever vendor they choose. its called capitalism boy wonder. Now if that conflicts with circle k’s agreement with coke, that is between them, but there is no issue with violation of the law.

          • Joe Smith

            I noticed you didn’t admit that I was talking about Circle K when I proved it without question above and it IS illegal to purchase these items from somebody without a vendors license due to law. That way the gov can get their nose in your business

    • Joe Smith

      You should have gotten a lic plate and called the police

  • 440patty

    We should cut the food stamps AND require DRUG TESTING for anyone that receives food stamps! I have two jobs to support our family and am disgusted at how many people get more money on welfare and food stamps than going to work. SMH!

  • stop ur whining

    there is zero excuse to be on welfare if you can work. time to start contributing instead of being a drain. We need MASSIVE welfare reform. Here are a few just to get us started.

    1) for every child you have on welfare your payments DECREASE
    2) if you have been incarcerated 3 or more times you are ineligible.
    3) after 3 you have 3 or more children you are automatically sterilized

    4) if you are going to collect a check you MUST attended a bi weekly job placement and enrichment program that teaches you the skills necessary to get off welfare, failure to attend means no check.
    5) must be able to pass drug tests

    • 440patty

      Stop ur whining – totally agree with automatically being sterilized! If they don’t want to – zero tax payer dollars to that person.
      DUI – zero tolerance no welfare. If they can afford to be out drinking and have a car to drive, they should have been out working.

      • stop ur whining

        once again…winner winner chicken dinner Patty. I see it all the time at the grocery store. Buying junk food and soda with the ebt card but they have a smart phone with a jaw bone Bluetooth headset. its like a slap in the face knowing where my tax dollars go to.

  • stayfocused

    Swamp White Oak acorns=eatable. Black walnuts=eatable. Hickory nuts=eatable. Much of the inner skin of tree bark=eatable. Young field corn=eatable. I could go on and on so all I have to say is—-what me worry?

  • kmzi

    Does this only apply to the black recipients?

  • Believeland

    The last County commissioner, Betty Blair, proposed that they use the old train tracks to make a non-stop train from Elyria to Cleveland and it was shut down. What we need is better public transportation, ie a REAL bus line and trains to make travel easier for people to find jobs and get to them. When I was jobless and carless, I could only look within walking distance and had to walk through the snow to get anywhere. The should be a top priority and would really help people without a car get to work so maybe one day they could afford one and better themselves! I never had such a hassle getting anywhere when I lived in Cleveland…

    • Larry Crnobrnja

      I’m pretty sure rail isn’t a viable mode of transportation to work for most, unless you live in New York and work in DC.

    • stop ur whining

      idk man, i just cant buy that. no transportation is just another excuse. now i will give you that it is a pretty good excuse, but an excuse none the less. you commented that you had a job and walked thru the snow. good for you man, you had what most of those on welfare lack…respect and will power. i think that is the main reason for the large masses abusing welfare. no respect, no will, no character. if you can make a hike in the snow, anyone can right? the problem is that they make more on welfare and have no respect and no character, really cant say that enough.

  • oldruss

    Apparently none of these unemployed, and apparently unemployable, single adults (the state rule and federal law only applies to those 18-50 years of age, who are without children, and are not pregnant) have heard of the United Farm Workers of America campaign, “Take My Job”. I guess Dan Ramos hasn’t heard of the program, either.

    Instead of food stamps, how about a one-way bus ticket to Fresno, California, or any where else these poor souls want to go to get a job through the United Farm Workers of America.

    http://www.ufw.org/toj_play/TO

  • Phil Blank

    Channel 5 Cleveland:

    Most likely Stouffer’s and Nestlé brand: “Solon gets 250 frozen pizza jobs”
    But not many have a way to get there and I doubt they are 40-hours a week.

  • Phil Blank

    New Jersey man admits stealing $2.5 million in food stamp benefits
    A New Jersey grocery store manager pleaded guilty in federal court on Wednesday to stealing more than $2.5 million from the government in food stamp benefits, federal prosecutors said. Alexander Vargas, 34, pleaded guilty before

  • AEB93

    People need to wok for their money/food/homes/cars, everything. I’m tired of watching free loaders do better than me as I bust my hump working a full time job, a part time job, and going to college. I came from the back roads of Lorain and grew up poor and I make my own because nothing was handed to me because I’m not minority. These people need a wake up call, work or go hungry!