April 17, 2014

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UPDATED: Police reporting string of heroin overdoses

LORAIN -– Police are searching for the source of what is being called extremely potent heroin that has led to 13 reported overdoses in Lorain and surrounding communities in the past 16 to 24 hours, two of which have been fatal.

“This is either really bad heroin or extremely potent heroin,” Lorain police Lt. Roger Watkins said Saturday night.

The fatal overdoses involved an Amherst man in his early 20s and an Elyria woman in her mid-30s, Watkins said.

He had no other information about the two deaths.

“I just hung up the phone from talking with our narcotics bureau and felt we needed to get the word out on this as soon as possible,” Watkins said.

Lorain County Coroner Dr. Stephen Evans confirmed two fatal overdoses and said the county usually averages at least one overdose per day.

“What’s different is that we’ve had at least 10 confirmed overdoses in the last 24 hours,” Evans said.

The number of fatalities could have been even higher if not for emergency responders’ efforts — Evans said five of those 10 overdoses that he could confirm were resuscitated in the emergency rooms at EMH Elyria Medical Center and at Mercy Regional Medical Center.

Evans said the three other overdose victims were saved by Lorain police officers using Narcan, a nasal spray drug approved for use in drug overdose cases earlier in the year by the Ohio Legislature.

Lorain police narcotics officers are trying to pinpoint where the lethal heroin came from, Watkins said.

“We normally see one to two overdoses in Lorain in a week,” Watkins said. “We wanted to get the word out as soon as we could so anyone who is using heroin or has friends or relatives using it could be advised of what is happening. We’ve got people dropping all over the place. Our narco guys are talking to some of the survivors right now in hopes of trying to stem the flow of it,” Watkins said.

Watkins said seven of the people who experienced heroin overdoses were treated with Narcan.

The drug was first used Oct. 29 to save the life of a 21-year-old Lorain woman who was an apparent heroin user.

“In most of not every instance, the seven were brought back from the brink (of death) with Narcan,” Watkins said. “Otherwise we’d be talking about nine fatalities.”

A former narcotics officer himself, Watkins said heroin today “is a lot more pure than. I’ve never seen a spike of overdoses like this.”

News Editor Benjamin Nagy contributed to this story.

Contact Steve Fogarty at 329-7146 or sfogarty@chroniclet.com.

  • Zen Grouch

    If this is krokodil rather than heroin, hang on to your hat folks, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride!

    • Melissa Merrill Snyder

      :groan: Good point though.

    • goomba

      Let them kill themselves or get their legs and arms eaten to the bone if that is their choice!!

      • Zen Grouch

        How much do you think it costs taxpayers to take care of each physical and mental cripple for oh… 40 or 50 years?

        • goomba

          You are right sad to say but If this has to do with drug abuse they are not going to get disability because they hold that against you, I had to prove 8 years of clean drug tests to get my disability, good luck to them because if they are in so much pain from their own self made injuries they will continue to use!! To kill the pain, I know a pain management doctor isn’t going to give them legal pain meds unless they are really really good liars, because the symptoms are all identical!!!

        • Phil Blank

          Once on krokodil, they only live for 3 or 4 years. Not 40 or 50.
          Go look it up.

          • Zen Grouch

            If left to fend for themselves on the streets, yeah, they’ll use up their life in 3 or 4 years…

            But once the damage is done, and they receive hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of medical treatment and physical therapy in a lock down in a facility, they could live for much longer.

            And as long as they are basically a money machine, deemed a danger to themselves, for whatever facility they’re in, the docs aren’t gonna be in any hurry to “pull the plug” on the cash cow.

          • woodyhaze

            Not only docs making money, someone has a free ticket to bring in the drugs, probably on C-130s

  • Beetle64

    Why tell people, get the junkies off the streets on their own dime.

  • SpaceTech

    I don’t see a problem, it sounds like it will resolve itself.

    • goomba

      Eventually it will be resolved on it’s own!!!

    • Heath J

      Self correcting problem indeed

  • Joseph Kimble

    the reason they use krokodil in Russia because codeine is legal. Not as easy over here, although possible, i doubt a outbreak will occur because of that very reason. The other ingredients are common sooo gg if someone finds a substitute for the codeine.

    source:
    http://io9.com/5859291/krokodil-russias-designer-drug-that-will-eat-your-flesh

    • goomba

      Yup let’s shoot up some gasoline and get gangrene! How poetic!

      • goomba

        Codeine is legal in Canada, that is a 2 hour drive, how sad!

  • goomba

    I hope the people that were there along with the junkies get arrested like I did, Amherst police blamed me for ALLOWING drug abuse in my house and I did NOT they are taking the word of the junkies over the word of the co dependant people that put up with it and take the junkies word over the sober persons, and question them when they use every day even at the hospitals when they are still under the influence….If I find out others are not arrested for allowing this behavior I’m getting a lawyer and suing Amherst police!

    • woodyhaze

      Happens all the time, you’ll be lucky to get off with disorderly, just another way to fatten their coffers

    • Bob Sweatt

      Here’s an idea. Don’t let druggies in your house.
      It’s no different of they had fun drunk people in your house. You are the homeowner therefore you are responsible for what haopens inside your house.

      There isn’t a court in the country that would side with you.

      • woodyhaze

        Wrong, it doesn’t even have to be your house, you just being there, your house or not, they can charge you with permitting drug abuse.

        • Bob Sweatt

          Well yeah. You are in a house where people are doing drugs. They can charge you. But getting a conviction is another thing.

          If I am at a house and I have no idea they are doing drugs. The court will have to prove, first that I knew there were drugs in the house and second, if I used them. A simple whiz quiz will determine that.

  • grannyof6

    Some of these comments are disgusting! “I don’t see a problem” or “get the junkies off the streets on their own dime”. WHAT? “People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”, ever heard that phrase before? These people who OD’d are someone’s loved ones, a child, brother, sister, mother or daddy. Please lets have a little compassion for the families. Most of them had NO idea it was happening. To you big mouth people I hope this never happens to your family because all of you must be perfect. Can’t happen to you? Wait and see before you run your mouth’s!!

    • Jeanie

      I agree, these people do not set out to become junkies or addicts. This drug is so bad and as rampant as this drug is, it will eventually affect each and everyone of us. Eventually, it will be a friends child, or a nephew, or someone we know. They try to quit but become deathly ill when they try. It is very sad when it affects one you love … you feel helpless. We need to pray for these people and try to help them beat this addiction instead of casting them out.

      • goomba

        I pray for Sobriety of all every day, and not only from Heroin, from long term alcoholism, that can kill you too, I witnessed it in person and lost my father who needed a liver transplant, but it couldn’t happen and the liver was at the operating table because of other complications, but he was sober for 20 years to get that liver and I believed he earned it 100 percent, but instead he lost his battle to live at 62 years old because of the complications. That is why I chose to help people with drug and alcohol problems, but in all reality it is up to them to stop even with a family intervention, or they will begin using again. Do you know that statistics say that only 20 percent of people with an addiction to opiates actually stay sober forever, the other 80 Relapse…..How sad! I’ve seen it happen in person!

      • goomba

        I agree Jeanie, Prayer does help….

      • shadow

        Oh stop!! Anyone who has an IQ over 7 knows heroin is addictive. Why do we coddle crazy people?…..this problem will solve itself. Hey, if your dumb enough to put a needle in your arm…if your life is THAT bad…end it. Go ahead….I don’t care who’s d… kid you are. Americans are so busy being such pansies….geeze.

        • Jeanie

          You have just showed your IQ, you obviously do not know or understand addiction. I will pray for you too!! and I pray that none of your love ones are afflicted by this horrible fate.

        • Awoll

          Your an idiot!! IQ over 7??? grow up!!

        • karenwilliamsfoley

          I cannot understand how people can make horrible comments like these, where is your compassion and love for your fellow human beings? And shadow, who are you to tell people to “end it”? I hope that no one in your family or any of your friends gets addicted to alcohol; pain pills, heroin etc. Why do we coddle crazy people? There really is something wrong with someone that has no compassion for others’ plight.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Because making excuses for these dredges on society…

            Never mind…

          • Heath J

            F*** my “Fellow human beings”

            Not all organic organisms are worth a warm bucket of piss.

        • jz

          IQ has nothing to do with human beings and their feelings. Low or high, and as obvious as your comment is on the surface, you show yourself to have very low emotional IQ. Are you not aware that some of the most intelligent people also become addicted to alcohol and or other drugs? That means you have a low IQ in general along with a low emotional IQ. That is borderline idiot.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            The most intelligent people do NOT become addicted to heroin.

          • Zen Grouch

            I’ll bet Rush Limbaugh considers himself to be intelligent…

            And that fat hog was downing oxycodone as fast as his illegal maid could round ‘em up.

            Oxycodone is a semi-synthetic opioid, similar to heroin.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            What is your point? Besides your straw man comment?

          • Zen Grouch

            Do you even know what a “straw man comment” is?

            If so, how does that apply to my reply?

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Absolutely. What does Rush’s addiction have to do with the conversation?

          • Zen Grouch

            You’re answering a question with a question…

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            My question was a statement. Try to figure it out.

          • Zen Grouch

            You can’t figure out the correlation between your statement and Rush Limbaugh…

            Yet you refuse to explain why exactly my statement is a “straw man comment?”

            …and NO, your question was NOT a statement, it was an avoidance.

            Are you being willfully ignorant, or do you have no choice in the matter?

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            If you have some kind of evidence that links me to Rush, please share it. Otherwise, your comment is senseless.

          • Zen Grouch

            hmmm…

            …I guess you -can’t- help it.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Oh, I get it now. You think Rush is intelligent and you’re suggesting my comment is somehow wrong because, at least in your mind, Oxycontin is similar to heroin.

            I would remind you that close to 0% of heroin addicts in the United States were first prescribed the drug by a physician; i.e. – they started abusing it illegally. IDIOTS!

          • Zen Grouch

            “Oh, I get it now…”

            …not even close.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            ‘Splain.

          • Zen Grouch

            What makes you believe I feel like wasting more than a minimal amount of time on an oblivious troll that answers questions with questions?

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Because you are the king troll.

          • woodyhaze

            0% ? lmao

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            You believe physicians in the United States prescribe heroin? Are you the same poster who believes Ronald Reagan invented crack cocaine?

          • woodyhaze

            0% ? LMAO, You are a special kind of stupid aren’t you ?? LMAO , now say baaaaaaaaaaaaah baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Heroin was outlawed in the United States back in the 20′s. go ahead and point out a single living heroin addict from that era, I dare you.

          • woodyhaze

            AHAHAHA, LMAO, what would that make ANYONE from that era? Late 90s?? If they were using it at 10 yrs old? BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

          • jz

            I know. The dude really misses the boat time after time. For example I bring up the point that there is intelligence then there is emotional intelligence, in response to his comment that intelligent people don,t use heroin. He states that as if it is a total absolute. The 2 don,t always match in some people,[emotional intelligence and say academic intelligence]. When I tried to get clarification from Larry on that point, and that he gets it so the conversation can continue seemingly simple enough, he then instinctually drifts off the talking point and says something irrelevant, then makes it seem like you are the dummy. I wonder how many people have pulled their hair out trying to make sense with him?

          • Zen Grouch

            …I blame the school system! ;)

          • jz

            I know. I tend to ramble. Coincidently I read the book Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance about 40 years ago.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Your definition of intelligent is different than mine. INTELLIGENT PEOPLE DON’T USE HEROIN!

          • Popper Popovich

            I think his point was that limbag was doped up
            in all his hate spewing sewage, and his mind has
            been damaged from said dope.

            So other words only dopes would believe a
            “fat hog dope fiend”, because he was on dope
            and his mind is destroyed from dope.
            Was that it Zen?

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Bringing up Rush is a straw man.

          • Zen Grouch

            The swine use to advocate death for drug users.

            Then his addiction to synthetic morphine became public.

          • Lisa

            That was funny!!! Be prepared for somebody to start “bashing” you about the “illegal maid” comment…

          • Zen Grouch

            Yeah, I should have put a comma between illegal & maid…

            …or just called her an “undocumented prostitute/drug mule.”

          • Popper Popovich

            LOL True

          • levtrotsky

            The Kenyan admitted to snorting coke, and you probably voted for him!

          • Zen Grouch

            If you can’t see the difference in putting some coke up your nose once or twice and sending your maid out to fetch your synthetic opiates even though you’re going deaf from the stuff, you keep on listening to the preachings of Rush. He’s just your speed!

          • jz

            I remember people who were national honor society, full scholarships to college, etc who became, thru their own fault, addicted to opiates. All of them today are clean and sober except for one who overdosed years ago. A person can be highly intelligent say mathematilally, scientifically, maybe artistically or musically talented, and still at the same time be emotionally fragile and turn to alcoholism and/or drug abuse for their emotional pain. I,m not making excuses for them. I point out Rush Limbaugh again only because he obviously is smart enough to be one of the top radio commentators around whether one agrees or disagrees with his viewpoints. And of course his was pain pills, which is still an opiate, and not heroin. I,ll put my spin on your comment which I agree with. Yes one has to be really stupid to ever try heroin or to continue using it. It certainly is an unintelligent thing to do.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            And in my world, none of them are worth a hill of beans.

          • jz

            Falling off of high horses and rude awakenings await you Larry. People who willy nilly think they can so flippantly and self rightousley decide other peoples worth as if they are so perfect scare me. All you want to do is pick a fight, there is no such thing as a win win for you, and your debating skills are 3rd grade na na na na na na mentality. Your question about what Limbaugh has to do with this conversation is mind boggling and an indication that an observation I made earlier about the overall tone of almost all of your comments is spot on mate. Which was. Nothing anybody ever throws at you ever sticks. That is one of the traits of a sociopath. Remember the Jodi Arias reference? That was one of her traits described by court observers and psychologists who analyzed her sociopathic personality. I,ll bet $1,000.00 you twist my “throws at you” words around to way off base of what I mean.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            What fight did I start with you? And why are you so enamored with the Arias case? What does it have to do with me? I’m not sure what you meant with your words, so I haven’t an idea how to throw them off base.

            Heroin addicts are a scourge on society. The planet would be much better without any of them.

          • jz

            You never let me down Larry. Gotta laugh at your somehow I,m ‘enamored” with the Arias case. Really? That is your take on my analogy. Maybe you really are not sure what I and others mean but i doubt that. My Arias analogy was pretty clear and left no questions regarding not so much what is has to do with you but how I see similarities in yours and what was described by psychologists as her ability to not let anything stick to her that people threw at her. Rather than stay on point you are always changing the subject. There are also many other types of people who are a scourge on society. Would you not agree.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            I’ve told you before, I didn’t follow the Arias case.

            Yes, there are many scourges on the planet.

            STRAW MAN ALERT!

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            “I remember people who were national honor society, full scholarships to
            college, etc who became, thru their own fault, addicted to opiates.” – jz

            They put themselves in that position, let them pull themselves out or kiss their butts goodbye. I have ZERO compassion for those people.

          • Awoll

            Go to Glenbeigh LARRY and see Doctors that are patients there for Heroin or prescription drug abuse or the Registered Nurses there for Heroin abuse. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. So before you go passing judgement maybe you should see what is really out there. And i hope for your sake you never have to watch you child or family member suffer from this…

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Doctors, nurses, scientists, presidents, I don’t care. If they are using heroin, they are IDIOTS. You might think they’re intelligent, but what does that say about you?

          • woodyhaze

            LMAO

          • disqus_boXnb15Bp4

            I am just a few days sober ad Larry you are right we are idiots for taking this drug, but also realize this addiction can happen to anyone. I was put on way to many pain pills for a bad back. A doctor way over prescribed pills to me. Then this doctor decided to let me go as a patient because I had to reschedule three appointments within a year because my kids were sick. After that DR. I started to become a mindless fool because I was so sick when the doctor let me go. It was the flu times 10 I could not find any pills, and my new doctor had my appointment for weeks in advance. So while I was going serious narcotic withdrawals from medication that was being prescribed to me, and by the way I also took my meds as they were prescribed and not even one time did I take my meds early or more than I was suppose to. 48 hrs into full narcotic withdrawl almost anyone would use a drug to stop the horrific way I felt. I was introduced to heroin, and I started by snorting. Then I was with some people who injected the drug, and made the biggest mistake of my life by injecting the drug to see what the hype was about, and fell in love with the feeling. I was stupid to do the drug, but like so many out there a doctor over prescribed, and did not think to try and wean me off after he pump me full of pills to keep collecting my money for years. Some of us junkies were first a product of horrible medical care not just scum looking for a high. I hope to god no one close to you or even you yourself goes through what I have, and so many others. It is very easy to have an accident, and end up with the wrong doctor. When a person starts to withdrawal from narcotic pain meds it is utter hell, and the only thing that you find to make yourself feel better is heroin you yourself or a close family member might do a line and become a junky like so many good hearted people have happen to them. You and some other people on here are worse than anyone whose falls into this life of hell. I never thought it would happen to me, and guess what I am a school teacher. Who knows you might have been one of my students, a child of yours could have been my student, a friend or a relative. A junkie could have molded you or someone you loved into adulthood. This is happening to people who you would never have thought, and you just think hey they should just die F them they are just a junky. What is needed is more options for people to get help. It took almost a month for me to get into a program to save my life, and that is horrible, and almost a crime of itself. I am now learning how to live again, and by the grace of God I did not ever overdose or die. I am actually a darn good teacher who made a mistake, and luckily did not lose everything, and I can continue teaching, and now not just in a classroom. I am babbling but damn people show some compassion for your fellow man or woman. Get off of your high horse, and go talk to a former junky who is now working on recovering, and you might actually be impressed. Heck you might even be happy the drug didn’t just take them out.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            “I was introduced to heroin…”

            Great group of people you hang out with. MAKE BETTER CHOICES!

            “Hmmm, I’m intelligent and I know heroin is terribly addictive, but I think I’ll try it anyway.” DUH

        • Popper Popovich

          I have to agree. Even being semi liberal.
          What on earth would process someone to
          even think about trying this stuff in this day
          and age in any first world nation is beyond me.
          With all the information we are bombarded with
          daily about illegal drug use, I can’t honestly fathom
          why anyone would want to stick dirty needles in their body. This is not Brazil or Russia..

          Although not much difference between the drunk
          killing themselves with two bottles of MD 20/20
          or similar product, at least its legal and their is
          some hope for them.

          We can make all the excuses we want for the
          dope fiend, me personally I am tired of it. They
          knew full well what they were doing BEFORE they
          chose to stick needles in their arms.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Wow, they must be making snowmen in hell! We actually agree on something.

          • Popper Popovich

            LOL

      • Scunnered

        I live in an affluent area and it’s now the athletes that are using, abusing and dying. I know of 4 or 5 young men who have overdosed recently. One baseball player here just died on Thursday. Why do young people chose to go down the drug road? Life isn’t any harder today than it was in decades past.

        • Larry Crnobrnja

          Ignorant fools.

    • Jennifer Williams

      Your right people have no compassion for life any longer.

    • MZee

      hmmmmmm. Someone knew…what they did about it is the question.

    • Bob Sweatt

      Screw em. They made the choice. They should be able to know that drugs are bad. I feel zero compassion for them.

  • Rick Glime

    Have you ever tried to talk to a drug addict about their drug use and the potential danger? I do better talking to brick walls.

    • goomba

      That’s what they are LOL BRICK WALLS, you are so darn right!!!!

  • Jen

    It’s easy to say it will resolve itself if you’re not the one waiting to find out if it’s someone you care about.

  • Frank Sieminski

    what a bunch of idiots with these negative coments about addiction i have a child thats addicted to herion and let me tell you something its no fun and telling them to off themselves they have a soul and would go straight to hell how would you like to end up burning eternity in hell wouldnt be no fun! herion is a demon the worst i have ever seen it destroys familys and lives most parents and relatives throw there kids adn siblings to the streets when te find out or get tired of deling with the addiction but i refuse to do this so my child ends up going and walks the streets all night to be propositions by perverts for few dollars and or goes stealing i dont condone his or her use i try to prevent it without the negative comments like junky or other things dont yell or act stupid like your ignorant comments what i do is when i come across any needles or herion i call the police and they come and take care of the issue and he or she goes to jail and they help out maybe unti he or she gets enough ofit hopefully till it sinks in all because the boyfriend had to put that first needle in the arm and brainwash my child makes me wanna just flip out but im glad that peice of trash is in prison right now were he belongs i hope to god the police gets all these dealers and loses the keys to the cell a drugs a drug herion is terrible not right to say negative things about people who use it until you know or have lived with someone who has this problem we all have a soul and thats the issue more parents should step in and help instead of turn there backs maybe some can behelped me i refuse to burry my child and i will fight for my childs life till my child takes there last breath because love can overcome negativity.

    • WTFnext

      Wow, not a capital letter or punctuation mark in the whole run on sentence. And you really need to use spell check too. Get out of the pulpit. No one needs a sermon on how they should or shouldn’t feel about the rampant use of heroin. Spend more time talking to your child than griping about the comments on here.

      • Bill

        Speaking of the pulpit. You should get off the grammar pulpit you’re on.

        • Zen Grouch

          …but he has 8 positive votes.

          –the people have spoken–

        • Larry Crnobrnja

          Bill, it is difficult to follow a conversation when someone DOESN’T use proper grammar.

      • Lisa
    • goomba

      You should try Ala-non classes and learn more about the behavior and what could happen when he or she is walking the streets at night because they could end up shot instead of overdosing from a possible Robbery or something of that nature. Good luck with your Co Depency actics those classes wil get you on the right track and make you think twice before they continue to live with you, if they sneak drugs in your house You Personally can be arrested…..I was and now I have a nightmare on my hand ad may loose my drivers license because of my nephew that I also didn’t want to be homeless….now I hope he has a nice gutter under a bridge somewhere!

    • disqus_8CI8eouMLi

      Try to get your child on suboxone. It’s legal, administered by drs and it’s a narcotic replacement. Not perfect, because they are still on something but, it fills the receptors and the addict can have a normal life without the drug lifestyle.

  • Lisa

    And so far NOT a SINGLE comment regarding the unfortunate fact that Lorain County is lacking space in drug rehab facilities…

    • Dawn Douglass-Nagy

      As a nurse, people need to realize that the problem is much bigger than taking the drugs off the streets, or narcan use to save those ODing. There needs to be adequate and enforced use of drug rehab. I have seen too many people have their lives torn apart from heroin. The addict has to hit rock bottom to want help getting off, and when they come to that decision there has to be supports in place. Unfortunately this problem is much bigger and the solutions are not as simple as giving out information, or narcan. I seriously hope that people are not feeling more comfort in knowing that the narcan is more available to save them, and using more.

    • Jennifer Williams

      Lacking SPACE? Look into it there are sobriety houses all over.
      My brother runs a Road to hope house. and they do not have to stay in the county either.

      • Lisa

        Road to Hope House is a great facility and does wonderful work, however, it is NOT a MEDICAL DETOX FACILITY. The #1 reason addicts relapse is because the withdraw is way too painful, (and very dangerous)….

        • woodyhaze

          100 % CORRECT! Sobriety houses are fine, AFTER DETOX, try finding a detox center in Lorain County, there is not a one. If you want to get into one, get to the Cleveland Clinic and tell them anything you need to tell them to get help, they will get you into somewhere, if they feel your life is at risk. A fact.

    • goomba

      Agreed,not even a detox in Lorain co!

    • Larry Crnobrnja

      There is plenty of space to bury them. QUIT MAKING EXCUSES!

      • Bill

        You sir are a poor excuse of a human being. Does all your inconsiderate posts make you feel better? Being the big boss man at your job and having the people you bully about and who then make fun of you behind your back getting to you?

        • Larry Crnobrnja

          Aw, you hurt my feelings.

      • Charles Parker

        You are pro life???????

        • Larry Crnobrnja

          Absolutely. Are you confusing heroin addicts with unborn fetuses?

  • bigmacky

    makes sense – the county now has been authorized to use the anti-OD drug – so hey – lets get an extra CC or 2 into that needle because – hey we will get saved

    • woodyhaze

      Yeah, I’m sure that’s what they are thinking. Roll my eyes

      • Bill

        Seen the same idiotic comment on the CT Facebook page. Didn’t think there were 2 of these idiots with that same ridiculous idea.

  • bigmacky

    or maybe because the county has the drug – these cases are becoming more prevalent – either way the mind of an addict is hard to understand and personally I hate needles

  • woodyhaze

    OK, time to educate, again. 1. alot of heroin addicts got that way from being prescribed painkillers by dumazz Drs, then they were cutoff of those and turned to heroin. 2. ever wonder where ALL this heroin comes from? Well, Afghanistan produced less than 10% of the worlds heroin, guess how much they produce since we ‘liberated’ them? 90%! Sooo, who brings it here? Ask any African American , that knows anything about crack cocaine, who started supplying crack to America. You all need to do some research before acting so high and mighty.

    • Dawn Fugate Watson

      Really? Because only the African Americans know who supplies crack?

    • Jennifer Williams

      Ignorance is Bliss you must be in your own heaven?

      • Lisa

        I’m still trying to figure what that comment meant… Is “woodyhaze” implying that CRACK came from Africa? Oh, and by the way “woodyhaze”, before you “educate” us any further with your worldly wisdom, you might want to brush up on your grammar and spelling. The proper way to spell “a lot” is A LOT, (2 words not one).

        • jz

          Of course he is not implying that crack comes from Africa. Quit being so defensive. It,s just that we know crack has done a lot of damage to the black communiity. Does that mean I,m saying it has not affected whites. Of course not. A retired DEA agent wrote a book about how the CIA played a role in crack 1st hitting Los Angeles years ago.

          • Lisa

            I only repeated what HE wrote…. Not being defensive. Perhaps he should have left the “African” out of African Americans and just said “AMERICANS”….

          • Lisa

            Oh, and by the way, here are a few FACTS about CRACK… (it was NEVER smuggled into the United States, it’s cocaine that’s “cut” with other chemicals)…Crack is the street name given to the freebase form of cocaine that has been processed from the powdered cocaine hydrochloride form to a smokable substance. The term “crack” refers to the crackling sound heard when the mixture is smoked.

            Crack cocaine is processed with ammonia or sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) and water, and heated to remove the hydrochloride.

            Because crack is smoked, the user experiences a high in less than 10 seconds. This rather immediate and euphoric effect is one of the reasons that crack became enormously popular in the mid 1980s. Another reason is that crack is inexpensive both to produce and to buy.

          • jz

            He didn,t write or imply crack comes from Africa. If he leaves “African” out of the comment then his point is lost. Which was that the African American community has suffered greatly from crack.

          • woodyhaze

            JZ, they don’t get it. Reagan and his boy Ollie North , had to figure out a way to make money to fund their black ops, crack was their way to do it. Guess they never figured white folks would get addicted too.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            The old “Reagan invented crack” theory? My God, you are a nut.

          • woodyhaze

            No, Larry, he didn’t invent crack, he and his boys brought in in the coke, which was turned into crack to fund their little Iran/Contra affair, remember that?? Probably not, anyway, they had the biggest coke dealer in L.A. distribute it for them, Freeway somebody, can’t remeber his name, problem was they thought they’d kill 2 birds with 1 stone and screw up the black community too. As luck would havw it whitey got adicted too. And you are a koolaid drinking sheep, now say, baaah baaah

          • jz

            Only you would interpret Woodys comment that way. Nothing he said even remotely suggests Reagan invented crack. And again, you totally missed the part about Iran/Contra, which is a large part of the context of the conversation. And then on top of that you call him a nut!. Do you have dyslexia in the part of the brain that interprets and perceives?

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            “Nothing he said even remotely suggests Reagan invented crack.” – jz

            Are you friggin’ kidding me? Check out the highlighted portion of his post.

          • jz

            “crack was their way to do it” is interpreted as Reagan invented crack? Larry I,m worried about ya.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            I’m worried about anyone who sides with a CT’er. (And that doesn’t stand for Chronicle Telegram’er.)

          • Zen Grouch

            You are incredibly stupid…

            …and oddly enough, that’s a good thing!

            **Fight the good fight all day long Larry!**

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Thanks, and you are incredibly ugly.

            Have a nice day.

          • Zen Grouch

            Ouch!

            You really know how to hurt a guy, Lawrence.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Thanks for spelling my name correctly.

          • Zen Grouch

            Doesn’t matter what we say or call you…

            …as long as we spell your name right.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            I am sensitive. Cut me and I will bleed.

          • Zen Grouch

            Thing is you seem to enjoy pain.

            “Cut me and I will bleed” is probably your favorite pick up line.

          • Bill

            Larry probably has plenty of feminine products in his desk drawer to stanch any bleeds.

        • woodyhaze

          Lisa, do some research, before opening your trap, you sound stupid, a lot

          • Zen Grouch

            If someone has to research your comments to get an idea of what in the heck you’re talking about…

            …they aren’t the ones who look stoopid.

          • Jennifer Williams

            Wow Woody you are a real gentleman. I bet your a hot number with the ladies? I a sure you enjoy some plumbers crack right? Just an FYI you sound IGNORANT A LOT. Maybe you should shut your TRAP so we do not have to listen to your ignorant comments.

          • woodyhaze

            Jennifer, please go wash the dishes, cook or something. Maybe some Jenny Craig would help you too?

      • MZee

        do you know where that statement, “ignorance is Bliss”, came from? I’m thinking you might as you capitalized the B in Bliss… he was a doctor who guessed wrong for.. well, look it up if you don’t. Interesting story.

        • Jennifer Williams

          Does it matter where it came from? All these comments are making no sense? Crack from Africa? The story is about HEROIN OD’s. If Woody Haze is happy being ignorant then let it be.

    • MZee

      3. A lot of addicts came about from choosing to use drugs, and end up taking what they can find. Heroin, sadly, is out there.

      but as with your comments, I’m just guessing.

  • Jennifer Williams

    Oh My look at all of the NASTY comments. You guys really need to stop being rude. NEGATIVITY BRINGS NEGATIVITY! I have family that was into it and he has been clean for almost 5 years runs a sobriety house. It can be over come but to say let them kill themselves? KARMA is a B***H have you got no compassion for life? Open up your eyes the drug is everywhere in Lorain County!

    • karenwilliamsfoley

      Not just in Lorain county, everywhere in the United States, go to the Facebook page I Hate Heroin and see where all the posts are from…the nasty comments need to go, anymore
      pretty much everyone knows an addict, be it heroin, pills, alcohol…..

    • MZee

      so is homosexuality but I choose not to do that either. I doubt anyone of those in the article had the injection forced into them. They chose, and sadly they are very lost into it.
      Lorain responded to another around 0730 this (Sunday) morning. 22 yr old male, “full arrest”. 22 yr old males don’t have a heart attack, but his was not beating. Sadly a later scanner transmission was “no pulse, doing CPR, appears to be drug related”. Been praying for him; he was gone, so hopefully intervention worked.
      Til he does it again.

  • Teresa Walker-Murphy

    I want to believe that all terrible comments from people is because you are uneducated about the subject….You are free to say what you want but if it were mother, father, sister,etc I would say that you might be a little bit more educated on the subject. This is a terrible terrible addiction and I would never wish this on anyone….It has it way to close to home for me…..I wouldn’t wish this on anyone. Dont wait for the day your child is just a shell of the person they could be. Be proactive and please help with the awareness of this terrible drug.

  • Greg White

    Look here. Back in the day when I was much younger I was hooked on coke among other drugs. I had a friend of mine who dried me out and I have been good every since. I am sure the families f these folks have tried to get them to stop. But they either have to die or hit rock bottom before things change. I agree this is one problem that will work itself out.

    • MZee

      No. Because as users dry out, or not, other users come along. This problem might work itself out as the bad batch gets used up though.

  • dontgiveup

    Wow it breaks my heart that some of u r on here worried about how people r spelling things wrong and not using commas,periods etc. The ones who r just bashing and bashing u should be band from speaking on here,but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have been a herion user for a few months (its not the herion its the opiate additiction)and yet I have only been clean for a short time it breaks my heart how some of u r so heartless. As the other person said , one day it will be your family going through all of the heart ache that all these families r going through right now, and its not fun ! I am fighting my battles and let me tell u it is helping me that the family who is there for me and being positive to me is helping more than anyone would ever imagine!!! And to those who want to be negitive and just be pissed well that pushes me even more to be better. So unless u understand that specific person situation DONT JUDGE!!!! Carma is a B%&ch! God bless all u family’s that r dealing with the hard times and God Bless the ones we have been loosing to this illness lately. There is hope,families don’t give up cause that’s when ur loved ones using gives up and they need u now more than ever!!

    • Awoll

      Well said “dontgiveup” I have two young men in my life that are addicted to heroin and we fight for them and love them and want nothing more for them to get better. This is a nightmare that you dont seem to be able to wake up from. Keep up the fight for your recovery and i will pray for you and your family. A good family is such a blessing to have because i couldnt imagine having to be alone in all of this. There are a lot of self righteous, judgemental people on here but that is the nature of the beast. You just have to look past it and keep moving forward. God Bless You and your family!!!

  • Phil Blank

    If you brought your child up correctly, then maybe with luck, they wouldn’t have this problem.

    • woodyhaze

      Really?

    • Jennifer Williams

      Wow your intelligent. Bring your child up right? Obviously you have no children. It does not matter what direction you lead your children it is what direction they take when they get older. My parents raised us in a nice neighborhood showed us the right direction my brother , well he took a differnt route. My brother was on heroin for years my parents had him in and out of rehabs, detox after a OD he finally learned and he has been sober for 5 years. This is not always the outcome but i do not think how a parent raised a child is why years later they are doing drugs.

      • Larry Crnobrnja

        Upbringing has much to do with it. And perhaps you didn’t notice that Phil also included “then maybe with luck”. But maybe you weren’t brought up right?

        And while I’m on a roll, it is you’re, not your.

        • Jennifer Williams

          Larry thank you for the English lecture. How about this :
          Worried about my spelling, is this one correct? You’re an A$$hole! Get it? Hope so. Like I said my parents raised us properly my brother did not start doing drugs till he was well over the age of 18. Our parents always stated drugs were bad. They did not do them themselves. Remember everytime you point your finger at someone you have three more pointing at you. I do not blame my parents for what my brother was doing no one should.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            LOL

          • Awoll

            Look Larry up on FB. His perfect little family that would never do such an IGNORANT thing…. Just ignore him. He is only on here to get people fired up but is still an A$$hole!! I cant honestly say that i hope this never happens to him in his perfect life because revolting people like Larry will get theres.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Far from perfect, my friend. But when you all quit feeling sorry for yourselves, maybe you’ll understand what I’m really saying.

  • Phil Blank

    Daily Beast:
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  • jz

    He I go again. But I believe this firmly. Until we get the black market abolished, which we can never arrest ourselves out of, these terrible situations will continue. Alcohol prohibition had its bathtub gin. Todays meth is yesterdays “speed”, or what was legal methamphetamine, which was controlled and made by pharmeceutical companies. No drug was ever prescribed for so many so called ailments than methamphetamine from the 1950′s thru the middle 1970′s. Were they over prescribed? Yes. From diet pills to depression to I need to stay up all nite to study for my exams to I drive a truck long haul I need to stay awake etc. It was actually in the medical books that methamphetamine pills were prescribed for over 60 medical conditions. However, there was no meth like we see today made and controlled by criminals in the black market cus they stopped making and prescribing legal, pharmacy made methamphetamine “for our safety” according to the politicians. So now what. We are more unsafe. Is drug abuse and addiction bad? Yes. Is it part of the human condition? Always will be. I know I tick alot of people off with this, but, drug abuse is bad, the drug war is worse. Everybody, including the people who screw up really bad and allow themselves to end up addicted to hard drugs or alcohol would be better off if this was handled in the medical community only, and like alcohol prohibition, the law enforcement approach be completely abandoned. LEAP, Law Enforcement Against prohibition calls it

  • Larry Crnobrnja

    DRUGS ARE BAD FOR YOU.

    • jz

      True.

  • Maria Shine Stewart

    Tragic. Stop the bickering. Solutions? In family, neighborhood, school, workplace? Can we create communities in which the thrust is toward mutual concern? Some start drugs out of curiosity. Others out of a need to escape. Our nation’s veterans are among those at high risk. May we find solutions, implement them, and listen to what we are taught about our brains. May we use our brains and our hearts.

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  • ClevelandBill

    More senseless deaths, losses attributable to the War On Drugs. When heroin was completely legal, you bought it at the druggist’s and it was made by some of the same pharmaceutical companies you’d recognize today. (look that up!). When it was legal it was made correctly, safely, cleanly and in known quantity and potency. Overdose is a problem that stems from unknown quantity and potency of recreational drugs. The Drug War has been raging for 30 years or more and has resulted only in militarizing our police, ramping up the capability of the drug lords (just like Prohibition created Al Capone), and worst of all, it has driven recreational drug use deep underground, where our sons turn to crime and our daughter to selling their bodies to get their fix. Nobody does this (since Prohibition ended) to buy a drink. The crime in drugs is COMPLETELY due to them being illegal. Legalize ALL drugs, and spend the money (or a lot less of it) on prevention and rehab programs.

  • Marie Burns

    We have had a big problem with heron overdoses here in the last week in manatee county. Something like 10-12 people have died from heroin overdose in last week or so. What I read in our local paper, is a bad batch is out there right now. What a shame that people are using heroin. How can anyone trust the ingredients is beyond me.

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  • Brandy Lynn

    OMFG!!! I am SO sick of people saying that “addiction is not a choice”. Are you FREAKING KIDDING ME? It is a CHOICE to start doing drugs KNOWING they are addicting. Hell i started smoking cigarettes knowing they were addicting with no intention to stop. My own fault!

  • Carol Smith-Hollows

    Drugs, alcohol, nicotine — it doesn’t matter. Addiction is everywhere in different forms. Addiction is a horrible disease that grabs hold and doesn’t let go. It is very difficult to kick addiction. First of all, the addict has to want to stop. One must change their entire lifestyle, friends, jobs and sometimes family to kick it. Not all addicts are homeless worthless people. There are doctors, nurses, attorneys, actors and many well respected people that have fallen into the world of addiction.
    My son passed away in August from a Heroin overdose. It was on his 2nd year Sobriety anniversary. He was an alcoholic. He had experienced with marijuana, pills, K-2 spice in the past. He overdosed once in 2010. Someone else injected him because he couldn’t inject himself. Yes, she told me she did it. She said he was not able to stick himself. I only state facts. I go by the truth whether it is in my children’s favor or not. They will be the first to tell you that I am the first to admit their faults. My son continued to drink and on August 18, 2011 he became sober.
    My son had a good paying job, worked everyday and was being promoted to another position where he would have been making $22.00 an hour. He had pulled himself up out of the world of addiction with the support of family and friends.
    His mistake was allowing a High School “friend” who had recently been released from prison to stay with him because “He had no where else to go”. Why was he on the streets? Because he had stolen from his own family to support his Heroin habit. My son thought he could help his friend. In the month that his friend was there, his friend had been charged twice with drug related charges and stolen property. My son’s house was robbed only 10 days before my son’s death. Of course his “friend” denied robbing my son and blamed it on someone else. My son knew better though. How do I know? I hacked into my son’s phone voice mail, texts facebook and e mail accounts. I know every thing that happened.
    My son had figured out that it was probably his “friend” that had robbed him and he told the “friend” that it was time for him to go. His “friend” said “Dude, just let me stay the week end.” My son died around 1 am on that Sunday. His “friend” took off in my son’s car and it was found the next evening in Cleveland where the “friend” went to get his drugs.
    What do I think (as well as everyone who knew my son)? I think the “friend” is not so innocent. I think that my son was lying on his couch and the “friend” assisted in the overdose. Unfortunately, the “friend” told the police that he was at my son’s home but my son “was alive when he left.” I don’t believe him but the Elyria Police do.
    Now this “friend” has 55 charges with the Elyria courts alone, not to mention Oberlin, North Olmsted, Indiana and who knows where else. Since July 4th, 2013 he has received 5 charges. He doesn’t show up for the hearings, he was picked up on a warrant and released with a new court date at the end of this month.
    When I went into the house to clean it (it was a rental), I packed up the “friend’s” belongings. I put them in the front yard and contacted him through FaceBook. I told him that he had 1/2 hour to come to get his stuff and if he was not there, I would leave. I called the Elyria Police and told them what was happening. I was told “You cannot leave his stuff in the front yard and leave the premises. If his stuff is stolen, we will charge you.” I said “Well, what am I suppose to do, wait here all day?” I was told “You need to make arrangements with the guy that is convenient for both of you.” I said “I did and I told him that he has 1/2 hour to get here. What am I suppose to do if he doesn’t show up?” I was told “You need to secure his stuff in the house and arrange another time.” I said “What if he comes and breaks into the house? Will you charge him with breaking and entering?” I was told “No, he lived there and he has a right to his belongings.” I said “He didn’t live here. He was not on the lease. My son let him stay here because he had no where to go.” I was told “Well, your son allowed him in the house, so he lived there.” I said “Well my son is dead and I am acting on his behalf and he is no longer welcome here.” I was told “Well, if his stuff is not returned to him, you will be charged. He has a right to get his stuff.” I said “Where are my rights? It seems to me as if the criminal has more rights that the law biding citizens.” I was told, “Well, that is the law.”
    My son was considered a Heroin addict by the Elyria Police because there was Heroin and drug paraphernalia found in the home. It was the “friend’s” stuff. How do I know this? Because when he was questioned by the police he told them where it was in the house and they went back to the house and confiscated it. I even found a syringe with what I believe was Heroin in it after the police searched the house. I turned it over to the police. It was still an open and shut case with them.
    Well, from my own investigation of my son’s phone and Facebook, I found that the “friend” had my son’s phone the evening of my son’s death. There were calls made by the “friend” to “find his fix (his words not mine).” There were texts that were erased. I know because the person that the texts were sent to forwarded me all of the texts to my phone.” So given that the “friend” had the phone, texted this person (my son’s ex girlfriend) and erased some of the texts (one which states “This is not Chris, it is (his name) makes me believe that there is more to the story than the “friend” is telling.
    The first story that I was told after my son’s death was that the “friend” had told someone that he administered the Heroin to my son and when my son started having problems, he left.
    Speaking of administration of Heroin. It doesn’t have to be injected. It can be snorted as well as smoked.
    I have learned a lot about drugs since my son’s death. I was told that the addicts are using the Suboxone to get high now.
    The only answer to the drug problem is the same to any addiction. The addict has to want to kick the habit. No one can help someone who doesn’t want the help. Unfortunately, even after an addict stops the use, the craving and fighting to stay clean or sober continues the rest of their lives.
    So, before you judge a person, step back, educate yourself and know that addiction is not always a choice. Keep in mind that addicts are everywhere whether you know it or not. Someone in your family could be an addict and you not even realize it. Addicts need support, not someone to beat them up with words. They will beat themselves up enough when they are not high. They do not set out to become addicts in life. They have a disease that requires intervention. They are someone’s child, grandchild, spouse, father, mother, employee, co worker, best friend etc. They are someone. Open your eyes and wake up. Someone you know might be crying out for that help but because of you blinders, lack of education, or not wanting to get involved or just not caring, you are not seeing it. Who knows, you may become injured, have surgery or develop a disease that requires pain medication which you become addicted to. Prescribed or not — abuse is abuse and addiction is addiction. It may be you in the future that all of the negative comments are being made about.

    • Macdaddyoh

      So sad….It’s become a common thing today. I wish you well.

      • Carol Smith-Hollows

        Thank you for you thoughts.

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