November 28, 2014

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Gang member pleads guilty to drug charges


Eric Echols

ELYRIA — A Lorain gang member with previous felony convictions pleaded guilty to multiple drug charges Wednesday.

Eric Echols entered guilty pleas to charges of possession of cocaine, marijuana and drug paraphernalia before Lorain County Common Pleas Judge Christopher Rothgery.

A date for sentencing will be set after the court receives results of a pre-sentence investigation, according to Rothgery’s office.

The most recent charges against Echols, 22, stemmed from a September incident in which he was found by Lorain police at a local motel with drugs, scales and more than $200 cash.

A member of the Lorain-based Members of Blood, or M.O.B. gang, Echols was arrested by police in September after detectives spotted his name on the register of the Erieview Motel at 2800 W. Erie Ave.

Reports at the time said police found money and marijuana on a bed, as well as cocaine in a plastic bag, and Percocet when they entered Echols’ room at his invitation. Crack cocaine later was found in Echols’ pants when he was searched by police, according to police reports.

Echols was among 17 people charged on a variety of drug offenses during a major gang and drug-dealing sting in June 2010.

His previous arrests included one for domestic violence in March 2010. In June 2012, Echols was arrested by Lorain police at a West 18th Street home who found him hiding in a crawl space. He was being sought for a warrant charging him with participating in a criminal gang, a week after he was designated the U.S. Marshals Fugitive of the Week.

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  • stop ur whining

    im by no means racist, and i actually just had this same convo with a black friend of mine. In the last three days the chronicle has articles about drugs and cracking down and all the arrests are black and Hispanic males. the point…stereotypes have to come from somewhere right?

    • Phil Blank


      And that is why Barneys, Macy’sand a few other stores (local included) are under a probe allegations of racial profiling at the stores.

      • stop ur whining

        funny thing is my buddy, again who is black agreed 100%. i swear i think the guy is racist against his own. he agrees with black leaders like Bill Cosby that the black community as a whole needs to start accepting responsibility for their actions. that black woman need to stop having babies with men that will never be around, etc, etc… its eye opening when a black man lectures you for a 1/2 hour on what is really wrong with black america. if only more people like him.

        • Zen Grouch

          **… its eye opening when a black man lectures you for a 1/2 hour on what is really wrong with black america.**

          Funny… I was just thinking how this would have the exact opposite effect on my eyes.

          • MisticMan

            Average paid speakers earn $20k to $40k. Bill Cosby is among the paid speakers who earn $100k plus and he is able to do this because he understands who his audience is and what they want to hear. While I agree 100% with his right to voice his opinion and by doing so also earn a good living. However, for me the jury is still out with regard to the question “Is he part of the problem or is he part of the solution?” There are no simple solutions to complicated problems and I don’t see a part of that solution being someone telling me what I already know.

          • stop ur whining

            clearly part of the solution. he says it like it is. although you thru out some compelling stats, i retorted with even more alarming stats to strengthen my argument. Cosby is not afraid to tell it like it is regardless on the back lash he may receive. takes a big man to speak out like he has full well knowing the back lash he would receive.

          • stop ur whining

            cant see why

        • MisticMan

          — Bill Cosby settled a lawsuit Wednesday with a woman who said the entertainer drugged and sexually assaulted her at his home outside Philadelphia.

          Terms of the settlement will remain confidential,
          according to a one-paragraph statement released jointly by both sides.

          Cosby’s publicist, David Brokaw, said there would be no further comment. The woman claimed that Cosby, 69, assaulted her at his mansion in Cheltenham, Pa., in early 2004 after giving her pills.

          • stop ur whining

            this post proves nothing btw. there are alot of stars that get accused of crimes that settle. how many are money grabs and how many are legit we dont know. when it is a he said she said they look to character. can you site any other instance where bill cosby has been suspected of, accused of, or convicted of any other crime?

          • MisticMan

            I agree my post doesn’t prove any thing and neither does most, if not all, of what Bill Cosby has to say. Bill Cosby is one of the elite in this country and based on his employment and life style during his children educational years I would be very surprised to find that he didn’t have someone hired to help with his children or that he ever spent a significant amount of time at any PTA meeting. Mr Cosby has the right to his opinions but what he thinks has nothing to do with the real challenges that Black people have to face, what we must do to find solutions or who we are as a people. Again, in my opinion, Bill Cosby understands who his audience is and what they want to hear. He probably understands that much better than he will ever truly understand Black people…

        • MisticMan

          Historical Perspective

          It was not always like this. In the USA, among Whites, the share of births to unmarried mothers was 2% through the 1950s, a rate well-established among Northwest-Europeans for centuries (see below). The USA’s White rate started rising in the mid-1960s, and has not stopped rising since.

          Whites — USA
          Share of Births to Unmarried Mothers

          1942: 1.7%
          1947: 1.9%
          1952: 1.6%
          1957: 2.0%
          1962: 2.7%
          1967: 4.9%
          1972: 6.0%
          1977: 8.2%
          1982: 12.3%
          1990: 16.9%
          2010: 30%

          • stop ur whining

            % of unwed black mothers by year, completely staggering

            ’80 56.1
            85 61.2
            ’90 66.5
            ’95 69.9
            ’00 68.5
            ’01 68.4
            ’02 68.2
            ’03 68.2
            ’04 68.8
            ’05 69.3
            ’06 70.2
            ’07 71.2
            ’08 71.8
            ’09 72.3
            ’10 72.1
            ’11 72.1
            ’12 71

            could do this all day.

      • Zen Grouch

        Everyone who enters a high end store is profiled…

        Unfortunately my lawsuits against these same stores, for profiling of ‘grimy old guys’ have yet bear fruit.

    • ken

      some dog breeds are more aggressive than other dog breeds. some dog breeds are smarter than other dog breeds. some dog breeds are lazy. same in humans?

      • stop ur whining

        haha. got me.

      • FireFlyJAM

        No. Humans aren’t dogs. We’re all one breed. Different colours, shapes and sizes. Now ya know.

        • ken

          then why does the black BREED behave so differently?

    • Brandy Lynn

      The blacks and hispanics are going to call you racist now :p

      • stop ur whining

        yea and any black that agrees is an ‘uncle tom’ so stupid. the minute anyone questions the black race and supports their opinion with facts and numbers is a bigot or racist. so dumb, numbers and stats are color blind and they do not lie.

    • Razorback Twou

      My sociological prof. said there is a kernel of truth in every stereotype.

      • FireFlyJAM

        Lmao. wth is a sociological prof. ? hahaha You mean sociology Professor ? Are you sure they’re a professor and not an Instructor?

    • MisticMan

      Nationwide, law enforcement made an estimated 12,408,899 arrests in 2011. Of these arrests, 534,704 were for violent crimes, and 1,639,883 were for property crimes. (Note: the UCR Program does not collect data on citations for traffic violations.)

      The highest number of arrests were for drug abuse violations (estimated at 1,531,251 arrests), larceny-theft (estimated at 1,264,986), and driving under the influence (estimated at 1,215,077).

      The estimated arrest rate for the United States in 2011 was 3,991.1 arrests per 100,000 inhabitants. The arrest rate for violent crime (including murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault) was 172.3 per 100,000 inhabitants, and the arrest rate for property crime (burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson) was 531.3 per 100,000 inhabitants.

      Two-year arrest trends show violent crime arrests declined 4.9 percent in 2011 when compared with 2010 arrests, and property crime arrests decreased 0.1 percent when compared with the 2010 arrests.

      Arrests of juveniles for all offenses decreased 11.1 percent in 2011 when compared with the 2010 number; arrests of adults declined 3.6 percent.

      Over 74 percent (74.1) of the persons arrested in the nation during 2011 were males. They accounted for 80.4 percent of persons arrested for violent crime and 62.9 percent of persons arrested for property crime.

      In 2011, 69.2 percent of all persons arrested were white, 28.4 percent were black, and the remaining 2.4 percent were of other races.

      • stop ur whining

        people of color make up 30% of the population they make up 60% of those incarcerated

        according to the bureau of justice 1-3 black men will spend time in prison.

        African American youth are 16% of the population, 37% of their cases are moved to criminal court and 58% of black youths are sent to adult prison.

        black and Hispanic woman are 3 times more likely and 69% more likely to be incarcerated than white women.

        blacks account for 14% of drug users but consist of 37% of those arrested for drug related charges.

        • MisticMan

          You for got to mention that according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics,individuals of color have a disproportionate number of encounters with law enforcement, indicating that racial profiling continues to be a problem. A report by the Department of Justice found that blacks and Hispanics were approximately three times more likely to be searched during a traffic stop than white motorists. African Americans were twice as likely to be arrested and almost four times as likely to experience the use of force during encounters with the police.

          Students of color face harsher punishments in school than their white peers, leading to a higher number of youth of color incarcerated. Black and Hispanic students represent more than 70 percent of those involved in school-related arrests or referrals to law enforcement.

          As the number of women incarcerated has increased by 800 percent over the last three decades, women of color have been disproportionately represented. While the number of women incarcerated is relatively low, the racial and ethnic disparities are startling. African American women are three times more likely than white women to be incarcerated, while Hispanic women are 69 percent more likely than white women to be incarcerated.

          The war on drugs has been waged primarily in communities of color where people of color are more likely to receive higher offenses. According to the Human Rights Watch, people of color are no more likely to use or sell illegal drugs than whites, but they have higher rate of arrests.

          • Zen Grouch

            **You forgot to mention that according to the Bureau of Justice
            Statistics,individuals of color have a disproportionate number of
            encounters with law enforcement, indicating that racial profiling
            continues to be a problem.**

            What’s wrong with racial profiling if a crime is committed by a black person?

            Should the cops put white women up against the wall, just to show that you aren’t prejudice, in an effort to appease idiots with *zip* when it comes to logic abilities?

            I think a good measure of whether or not the cops are singling out blacks, is to do a study on unsolved crimes.

            If a disproportional amount of crimes committed by white boys go unsolved, vs crimes committed by blacks, then yeah, there could be a problem…

            So, why hasn’t Jessie Jackson conducted such a study?

            Oh… that last question was rhetorical, for those of you who probably don’t know what rhetorical means, because the school system let you down because of your race.

          • MisticMan

            I am not sure if I understand your question, never the less I will attempt to answer what I think you may be asking. There is nothing wrong with punishing any person of any color who has actually committed a crime. However, profiling occurs before a crime is committed based on the assumption that certain people will commit certain crimes based on their skin color. The problem with profiling is that many innocent people could be hassled or arrested by police before they actually encounter someone who has actually committed a crime, using racial profiling as the criteria. And, no, I don’t think that innocent white women should be put up against the wall for any reason and neither should innocent black women. As for your last question, rhetorical or not do you have any idea who are doing the teaching in many of the inner city schools in big cities? It turns out that many of those students were “let down” by a system that brought in teachers from foreign countries some of whom could barely speak English and some who were later disqualified as teachers.

          • Zen Grouch

            **”However, profiling occurs before a crime is committed based on the assumption that certain people will commit certain crimes based on their skin color.”**

            Cops have better things to do than to anticipate and prevent crime when there are actual real world crimes taking place that can’t be dealt with.


            **”It turns out that many of those students were “let down” by a system that brought in teachers from foreign countries some of whom could barely speak English and some who were later disqualified as teachers.”**

            Sorry amigo, but I find you really easy to disbelieve, and feel that you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • MisticMan

            If cops have better things to do then they should stop profiling and creating additional problems. As for you not believing what I said about the foreign teachers in inner city schools, I am not at all surprised. Because unlike Bill Cosby I am not saying what you want to hear. However, I could care less about what you choose to believe or your opinion of me. What you choose to believe does not in any way change what is true. It is a matter of public record how some inner city schools attempted to solve the teacher shortage along with the problems they had with some of the foreign teachers. And your life is your own and you can live in what ever reality you choose…

          • Zen Grouch

            If you expect anyone to believe that “teachers” were brought into the inner city schools that “could barely speak English” and that cops in general, create problems rather than solve them, then I have no doubt you could care less about what I choose to believe or what my opinion is of you.

          • MisticMan

            Again, you can believe what ever you choose to! As for the teachers, I saw a documentary, I had a problem understanding what some of the teachers were saying and so did some of the students.

            With regard to your “Ebonics” comment that was intended as an insult more than any thing else, am I to assume that police officers in poor white communities have no challenges at all? Also, it is not me who is saying that racial profiling is bad almost every study that has been done has determined that it creates more problems than it solves. Does a Ted Bundy make every white male of that age group a potential serial killer? Of course not!

            Sure the black community has problems, as does every other community but all black people do not live in the “projects” and no other community have those consistently attempting to judge them by their worst.

            As for the “super cool identity” and “hatred of whitie” thing, that sounds like something from a 60′s movie and I am not sure if that exists on a mass scale any where outside your mind. Never the less, as I stated at the beginning of this message, you can believe what you want to, but, you can not tell me who I am…

          • Zen Grouch

            You stated that the inner city kids were let down by an influx of foreign teachers, some of whom could barely speak English.

            The article you posted said nothing to back up this assertion.

            These foreign teachers were used to fill posts, that were difficult to fill with the available pool of teachers, so it would be more likely that the quality of foreign teachers would be better than the available teachers you get when scraping the bottom of the barrel.

            However, if unqualified teachers lie about their credentials and abilities and are hired, the school districts can have their work visas pulled and have them shipped back to where ever they came from, without dealing with pesky unions.

            So, what is your problem with foreign teachers, in a day and age, where our children are scholastically out preformed by students in third world countries?

            And BTW… for someone who could care less about my opinion of you, you sure going to a lot of trouble to change that opinion.

          • MisticMan

            As stated in the article at the web site, the problem with imported teachers was “Foreign instructors are usually required to demonstrate proficiency in
            English, but the report indicates that sometimes school districts do not
            evaluate applicants correctly and still hire them.”

            As a result some schools, in a rush to fill vacancies, ended up with some teachers who did not meet the language requirement. In Boston they managed to monitor the language requirements a little better but they ended up with some teachers who had too many problems of their own to be the best teachers for problem students. Not all teachers were bad and some worked out quite well but it only takes one unqualified teacher to negatively effect the lives of hundreds of problem students.

            As for your question, I genuinely do not care about your opinion and by no means am I trying to change your opinion. I am much to old to be overly concerned about other peoples opinions or what anyone thinks. I continued this conversation either because you asked a question and I answered or you posted a comment that I did not agree with and I offered my opinion or the other side of the story. Nothing more, nothing less.

          • Zen Grouch

            I don’t see what the problem is…

            If the schools hire someone who lied about their English language abilities, they sent ‘em back to where ever they came from.

            So, when you said we let the inner city kids down by giving them teachers who “could barely speak English” you didn’t know what you were talking about.

            So, keep this in mind if I don’t bother reading all of your posts, which I find to be a waste of time, much less respond to every little thing you throw out there, to make yourself look less ignorant.

            …it ain’t working btw.

          • MisticMan

            You don’t see the problem because you don’t understand the process and that was apparent from the start. As for me “trying to make my self look less ignorant,” there would be little use for me to do that, you did that for me. It is also obvious that you don’t read what I say, offer anything of substance or rely on fact. Instead, you seem to think that your effort to insult or intimidate is a viable tactic. With that said I am going to let you get back to doing what you do best. You seem to function best within a mutual admiration society, you know, (I’m ok, you’re ok, we’re all ok). However when challenged, even the slightest, you seem to fall apart. Btw, in spite of your “give hate get hate attitude” I have no ill feelings towards you and as I do on departure with all whom I encounter online, I wish you well…

          • Zen Grouch

            Thing is, I don’t believe you understand the definition of “process” when you use it as you have, to describe something that you have yet to define.

            And yeah, I even told you that I don’t read all of your posts. Remember, I said something about a waste of time on my part?

            Wanna know why? It’s because you made up an idiotic excuse for the low performance levels of inner city kids. You said that the system is giving them teachers who can barely communicate in the English language.

            This is Bull! You submit a 4 year old article which doesn’t back up your assertion. I even bothered to read it and explain to you why this article doesn’t help your argument, at least twice, yet you keep coming back! Yet you offer nothing to support your idiotic assertion.

            I didn’t even get started on your cockeyed assertion that cops tend to make situations worse, rather than better.

            But anyway, if it’ll help you sleep at night… I value your opinion more than gold. Your words of wisdom are burned into my memory until the end of time. I’ll devote myself to making this a better world all because of the thoughts you have brought to life for me.

          • Zen Grouch

            **As for the “super cool identity” and “hatred of whitie” thing, that sounds like something from a 60′s movie and I am not sure if that exists on a mass scale any where outside your mind…**

            Yeah, that stuff was a million years ago.

            I guess you’re too young to remember the reactions from the white vs black communities when O.J. got away with killing Whitie.

          • MisticMan

            I am 60 years old and what I remember most about the OJ case is how the prosecutors blew it…

          • Zen Grouch

            Yes, they gave the jury too much credit when they presented DNA evidence.

            They should have dummed it WAY down, maybe used rag dolls to help explain.

          • ekwaykway

            Hey Zen Grouch, don’t ya miss Barbera?

          • Zen Grouch

            The name’s familiar…

            …can you hum a few bars?

          • ken

            black people are more violent and steal more. why are their neighborhoods SO run down? I have NEVER seen a black area that is well taken care of!!

          • MisticMan

            Ken, are these things that you have witnessed, seen on TV or is this just something that you can sense?

          • ken

            this is all things we all KNOW. you also know it.

          • MisticMan

            Ken, are you on any serious medications?

            Seriously Ken, I think you might be a little too deep for me so I will let you get back to stereotyping black people and I will get back to my CHICKEN and WATERMELON…

          • ken

            I’m speaking from things I know, not stats

          • stop ur whining

            r you really playing the social injustice card? Blacks and Hispanics are profiled and that is why they are pulled over more? No way, if that was the case then why do they more often then not get into trouble when pulled over? i have been “profiled” and i was pulled over, car searched, and sent on my day. Face it man, blacks are not profiled bc of the color of their skin, they are profiled bc the numbers support the fact that more often then not they are breaking the law. numbers do not lie. 60% OF THOSE INCARCERATED, 70% OF BLACK MOTHERS ARE UNWED, 1-3 BLACK MEN WIND UP IN JAIL, BLACK WOMEN ARE 3 TIMES AS LIKELY TO GO TO JAIL THAN THEIR WHITE COUNTER PART.

            these are concrete facts that can not be spun. your opinion is part of the problem. its not the black community’s fault, its everyone else that is “profiling” and keeping blacks down.

            what a load if you ask me. for almost 300 years now people have been coming to this country and flourishing. people from all walks of life have flocked here and established great lives here. Irish, English, Spanish. All three faced up hill battles and succeeded. all flourished and made it on their own steam.

            we live in a country that has an african american leading the people. that means that the black community can no longer claim racial inequality. the playing field has never in this country’s history been more level. there is zero excuse, color included, to not succeed today.

  • DonMega

    Just shoot him.

  • tomfeher

    And the judge will give him a slap on the wrist because of a “bad” childhood or other sob story. Time to start slapping the judges and try to knock some sense into them. They are supposed to protect society not the criminals!