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UPDATE: Wage protesters gather at Oberlin McDonald’s

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Quincy Land Jr., of Oberlin, was one of the dozen people who gathered at McDonald’s to push for higher wages for fast food workers. BRUCE BISHOP/CHRONICLE

OBERLIN — A dozen people stood in front of McDonald’s on South Main Street in Oberlin with signs in protest for higher wages for fast food employees, joining a nationwide protest on Thursday.

Walkouts and rallies were planned across the United States, but the group that stood in front of the McDonald’s was not affiliated with the restaurant.

“I’m here because I’m a retired Ford worker and we made a decent wage, but we had to organize to get it,” said Quincy Land Jr., of Oberlin. “Before I went to Ford, there was no unions at the time, and it was always no. No vacation, no sick time, no representation.

“Somebody fought for me, so I’m going to fight for someone else.”

Land, vice-president of the Oberlin chapter of the NAACP, stood alongside other protesters who held signs that read, “I flipped burgers and couldn’t afford to eat one” and “I love McDonald’s workers.”

Parker McCurley, of Westlake, said he has sympathy for the employees, many of whom are earning Ohio’s minimum wage, which is $7.85 per hour. The group peacefully protested outside during the lunch hour, with many leaving the area by 1 p.m.

McCurley said support from the public had been mixed.

“They’ve either been honking in support or just shaking their heads when they walked in to get a burger,” he said.

Oberlin College student Jackson Kusiak said a manager at the restaurant came out to provide hot chocolate to protesters and had some discussion with the group. He said the manager discussed opportunities for McDonald’s employees to advance in the industry.

Steve Payne also spoke with the protesters. Payne said his son owns the Oberlin restaurant.

“I remember being a paperboy and getting a nickel a paper — a buck and a half for three hours,” he said.

Management at the restaurant declined to comment on the protest when approached Thursday.

Chief Photographer Bruce Bishop contributed to this story. 

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  • Chipper

    First, Aren’t fast food jobs supposed to be for high school kids looking to make money until they get out of school or adults needing a job until they found a real job? never knew you were supposed to make a career out of flipping burgers at a fast food place.
    Second, shouldn’t they be happy to just have a job?? last time I looked, the unemployment rate hasn’t reached 0%. if you don’t like your current job situation, get another one
    Third, these schlubs consider flipping burgers or dropping a basket of fries as the same skill set and deserve the same wage as the person who went to school to learn a skilled trade? what a joke.
    Can you imagine if these people got their way? A McDouble would cost $5, a Rally Burger would cost $6.
    Be grateful you have a job, you ingrates. Plenty of others out there that would be grateful just to have a job.

    • ZX3

      Schlubs?
      Ingrates?
      Way to make your point.

    • Conservator440

      They are also part time incomes for retired persons. In fact, I would wager that the management rather enjoys the seniors due to their work ethic.

      • Pablo Jones

        And if they have the good worth ethic and show up when they are supposed to they probably aren’t making minimum wage anyway. Many do it just as a way to stay busy and get out of the house.

        • Conservator440

          Absolutely, and bringing in a few bucks sure doesn’t hurt.

    • mdr12372

      The “livable” low wage jobs are gone, gone forever. Manufacturing and factory work has been exported overseas. Now we have a huge segment of the population who need work who may not be college material. And as we have learned over the past few years, college doesn’t guarantee you a job. I just interviewed an Ivy League grad for a $10/hour job. At some point we as taxpayers need to stop subsidizing multi million/billion dollar companies and sport teams.

      • Pablo Jones

        The unemployment rate for a college educated person with a degree was around 4% or less the last time I checked. Would you happen to tell us what the Ivy League grads degree was in and what experience they had. I remember a newspaper story when I was in college, a girl was shocked that she couldn’t find a job after graduating and had to work the same job she had in college at some clothes store. Her major was mid-evil literature (or something along those lines, it’s been a while). If you get a degree in a field with few job openings it’s going to be hard to find a job.

      • SniperFire

        The more unskilled wage pressure you put on our wealth and job creators (businesses), the more you eliminate entry level jobs which optionally can be automated or farmed out. Why? Because the very people protesting are the same people waiting in line at Walmart on Black Friday to gobble up great deals on Bangladesh and Chinese slave-wage labor merchandise.

      • Larry Crnobrnja

        “I just interviewed an Ivy League grad for a $10/hour job.”

        Please tell me more, because there is either some extenuating circumstance or you are not being truthful.

        • SniperFire

          A liberal lying? shocker.

      • Joe Smith

        When I was working those low wage jobs, I worked for multiple places and worked 7 days a week and would take side jobs when I could I was not rich but I could maintain a place to live and had food in my belly without needing help.

    • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

      The CEO of McDonald’s tripled his pay last year. He makes a worker’s weekly salary every two minutes. How much did the cost of your burger go up, Chipper?
      Econ 101: Dozens of peer reviewed studies have shown countless times over the years that, without fail, raising the minimum wage DOES NOT cause inflation, regardless of what your gut tells you. Respected economists should be trusted more than your gut.
      By any measure at all, minimum wage is too low. Had it simply kept up with inflation, it would be 10.68. That doesn’t seem like much to ask for… and if you’re worried that an “ingrate” burger flipper is going to make as much as you, then maybe you’re getting underpaid as well.

      • Pablo Jones

        Cheese burgers have gone from 2 slices to 1, fries are smaller, prices have gone up, the dollar menu has gone away replaced with a value menu where the prices have gone up. If you take the CEO pay and divide it among all the employees their wages would go up less than 10 cents an hour.

      • Larry Crnobrnja

        Most minimum wage jobs are intended as stepping stones; temporary and/or entry level positions. Looks like being a lazy dumb@ss in school has brought the chickens home to roost.

        • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

          Or perhaps you missed the memo where nearly a quarter of the country, including many hard-working college graduates, can’t find employment. Some of us are lucky to have stable jobs, that doesn’t mean we should be ignorant to the reality that others are facing.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            A quarter? As in 25%? Yes, I missed that memo. Certainly that isn’t supported by anything the BLS records.

          • Dale Klan

            You’re an absolute fool if you believe the government statistics on unemployment in this country.

          • Pablo Jones

            Maybe for a percentage point or 2 from the posted number because of the artificially lowering of the labor force numbers, but 3.5 times the number is a stretch. Then there is also the independent surveys and pay roll numbers that are in the same ballpark. I don’t see 1 in 4 people out of work, maybe in a couple neighborhoods you can find that, but not in the country as a whole.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            The BLS published unemployment rate isn’t intended to be considered as an absolute number, but rather a reference. Do you have a more reliable source you would like to share with the class?

          • Dale Klan

            Absolutely; http://www.shadowstats.com/
            Time for you and the other sheeple to wake up.

      • Chipper

        totally missing the point. the minimum wage may need to be raised. fine. but these people are wanting the same kind of pay (up to $15/hr) as someone who has a skilled trade. Flipping a burger or throwing basket of fries in a fryer does not constitute a skilled trade nor does it warrant the same kind of pay as someone who does. asking for up to $15/hr for flipping burgers is just Ludacris.
        when you apply for the job, you have an idea what you’re going to get paid. when you accept the job, you know what you’re going to get paid and have the opportunity to turn the job down if you don’t like what they’re going to pay.
        that being said, if they are so unhappy with their pay, quit. the unemployment rate isn’t 0% yet and there will be someone willing to take the job and be grateful for having a job.

        • ekwaykway

          How much you wanna bet Chipper is only making eleven bucks an hour? ;-)

          • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

            I’d say that’s probably accurate. The ironic part of this is that I make well over double that and would like to see his wage raised to at least $15 as well, but he’d rather see the status quo at his own expense. I’m not worried about people having bigger paychecks than me. Life isn’t a competition.

      • stop ur whining

        you raise the minimum wage to $15.00 per hour you absolutely will see horrendous issues. the cost will be deferred to the customer and products and services will increase.

        as for that CEO, although he may be over paid, he also may not be. McDonalds has how many franchises? on how may continents? and serves how many daily? What about all the negatives that a CEO deals with? The pressure of being one of the WORLDS largest companies. Easy to criticize form the cheap seats.

        • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

          Oh, the poor CEO. Cry me a river. I can’t comprehend someone feeling bad for the “stress” of making $6,730 an hour for telling other people what to do.

          He’s not creating anything. He hasn’t made a burger, he hasn’t made change at a register, he hasn’t cleaned a bathroom. He’s a leech. His income is literally funded by taking the profits from people who do real, actual work, and giving it to him.

          • Pablo Jones

            Wow in one comment you say you aren’t worried about people having a bigger pay check than you, then you go off on the how much the CEO’s get paid. CEOs do a lot for a company, they lead the direction of the company. When they do a good job the company grows and expands producing more products and hiring more employees. If the CEO is bad or go in the wrong direction the company gets smaller and they get rid of employees. Without the upper management none of the employees below them would be were they are. A simple example of this would be Apple in the early 90′s bad management nearly drove the company into the ground. Management change and a new direction turn the company around bettering the lives of the employees at the company and the thousands of other that were hired after the fact. Right they are definitely leeches that do nothing.

          • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

            Yeah, it’s worth noting that Apple contracts with Foxconn in China for most of their products, a sweatshop factory with conditions so bad that they put up netting around the worker dorms to stop people from killing themselves because it lowered productivity. I can see how that executive decision was good for everyone involved.

          • Pablo Jones

            Except the turn around happened before they ever used Foxconn and they are building more of their products in America now. The are one of many companies that have been turned around by the CEO after a bad one nearly ruined the company. There are also many companies that were once great where the new CEO has crashed them.

          • ken

            many CEO are over paid greedy, lazy, money collectors

          • Pablo Jones

            Really? How many? Which ones? And what information and facts is that based on?

          • ken

            you must have nothing better to do than sit and worry about this? real important you are! sit back in your chair and let it go! GET A LIFE!

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            And you?

          • SniperFire

            You have made a specious argument to deflect from your lame contention that CEOs are of no value to an organization. You are flailing pathetically, commie.

    • willlam

      Boy are you out of your box. First,I know two millionaires who started at McD’s in the 50′s,”flipping burgers”! Now one OWNS 6 McD’S and the other OWNS 2! I would call them “career jobs”. Your entire post is arrogant and self-serving. Skilled trade? Not too many rich guys in skilled trades. I only know one. Second, if you can’t afford a $5 or $6 burger.God has not blessed you with money! Third, $15 an hour is not much pay,unless free medical is included.

      • stop ur whining

        1) $15 is way to much to pay for a minimum wage. there is not a line cook, drive thru operator, or front counter person at any fast food place worth that.

        2) flipping burgers is NOT a career. the two owners you mention are not flipping burgers, and they are not minimum wage employees. the climbed the ladder, and with more responsibility comes more pay.
        3) A skilled trade worker gets more money than fast food employees, has a higher ceiling, and a brighter future because they chose a semi-formal education.

        5) notice he said a $5-$6 McDouble, currently a buck. Chipper’s point is that if you pay someone that is unworthy of $15.00 per hour that salary the cost of the product they make must too increase. If a McDouble goes to $5 a Big Mac deal goes to $14-$16. Would you spend your hard earned money on fast food when you can go to a fine restaurant and get a better meal at the same price?

        Minimum wage was never supposed to be a career or way of life. it was meant to set a bar at teh bare minimum someone can pay for services. ALL minimum wage jobs require little to no education and work that anyone can do, in fact most minimum wage jobs are being replaced by automation.

        • willlam

          I can see my comment went right over your head. 1)$15 an hr. is a living wage. Which is what America needs. 2) No they are not “flipping burgers” today. I just contacted one of them and he said,”…I made.75 an hour when I started McD’s.” Now he OWNS 2 stores. 3) The third point you make,doesn’t make sense,so. 5)? What happen to 4)? 1,2,3,5 you could not get $7.85 an hr. with the education you possess. $15-$16 BigMac’s? I don’t think so.

          • willlam

            $15-$16 burgers are B Spot prices and our favorite Burger Joint!

          • ekwaykway

            A McDonalds executive on his way to work in a Veyron. Now thats class……

          • willlam

            …..Thats ALL I want for Xmas is one of the two!….OMG;-)

          • stop ur whining

            right, and a burger at Bspot is the same as a 99cent McDouble. RRRRRRRIGHT

          • stop ur whining

            your comment did not go over my head. your comment is just out to lunch. although $15 per hour is livable, there is not a fast food worker anywhere in the world that is worth that. as for not understanding point #3, you clearly are a fool. I also missed a number bc i am beyond angry that people like you feel that uneducated lazy bums that are unable to care for themselves properly need more money to do a job that ANY fool can do. GO ahead and pay those bums that money, watch what happens to MCdonalds. $14 Big Mac value meal, that will work. you need to WAKE UP

          • willlam

            Calling me names is just showing me what a fool,you are. It is not about fast food workers. The topic is about $15 min.wage in America for everybody! Even new hire Ford workers. Whose union screwed them good! You are so mad you forgot the #4 point?……umm…ok. “Lazy Bums”,you say? “Unable to take care of themselves”? Like I said,in an earlier post, I know two millionaires who started working at McD’s in 1955 and the other one in 1959! Now they own 8 stores between them. How many McD’s do you own and how much money is in your porfolio?! Seems to me you are the fool,here.

          • stop ur whining

            i will clarify….there is not a single minimum wage job that is worthy of $15 per hour, period, under any circumstances.

            idk why you keep referring to your friends at McDonald’s as they clearly are no longer minimum wage guys.

            ya know what, ask them since they own 8 store what doubling the minimum wage will do.

            their answer will probably be “it will cripple my business” if they say anything short of that…your lying.

          • willlam

            Now, “you are calling me a liar,Frank?” I say share your wealth and God will bless you many times over. Gates,Buffet and other billionaires give away billions of dollars everyday. They gave away half of their billions,already!! To answer you quesion,NO it will NOT affect a MCD. Period. As I posted before,only cos. with more than 5,000 workers,world wide, should pay $15 min.living wages.

          • willlam

            …..and in any good business college. They teach you to share your wealth.

          • stop ur whining

            I never in my four years of business school ever heard that. In my 10 years in the business world post college i have never heard that.

            I have heard to invest in your company, to pour your profits back into your company and grow it.

            But lets ASSUME you are correct. If that is true, you would share your wealth appropriately. you wouldn’t give some one money for nothing, and you wouldn’t give more money than what is deserved based on the job you are doing. Hence, the minimum wage.

          • willlam

            I said a good school to get an MBA. Like Harvard,Wharton,The Kelly School,Stanford,etc. NOT bryant-stratton,where you,according to your post,attended school. Your plan of common sense on your above post,does NOT make sense,in any way! 4yrs.of college and 10 in business? I do not believe your story!

          • stop ur whining

            hahaha, so now its an MBA program where u hear that, laughable. you know this because u attended at least one of them right? Did you even attend college? Did you earn a business degree? I ask because I did, and did so at a a good university right here in ohio, and not, not bryant stratton, not sure where you grabbed that from. believe what you want about me, but you have no clue about running a business and i very much am questioning your education level or at the very least your knowledge of business.

          • willlam

            You know nothing about tithing 10 to 30% of your earnings to outreach.Do you? So sad. We have to take care of the poor,remember!!

          • stop ur whining

            i will say it one more time william, where did you obtain your business knowledge? your college degree was in? you received your MBA in what exactly? the only thing you have stated business related is your “freinds” that own McDonald’s. and a seriously am questioning if they exist, or are your friends. There is no way either is on board for a $15 per hour minimum wage, no freaking way.

          • willlam

            ….hahahahahhhhh. Let me just say, your ignorance is abundant. Your comprehensive skills are very limited,to say the least. Your spelling is at a 5th level and you have ZERO charisma. I didnt say the people at MCD.are “on broard for a $15 per hour minimum wage” The point I’m making is,they as teens were,”flipping burgers” and NOW THEY OWN FRANCHISES. Its a simple concept. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,from Princeton………..and Princeton_ our dawg

          • Larry Crnobrnja

          • stop ur whining

            a $15 Minimum wage will cripple a company. I do not believe for a second that you asked your friends that own a McDonald’s what it would do. How much of their payroll is minimum wage? 35% maybe more. OK, now double their wage. Now 35% of your employees is consuming 70% of your payroll. Lets not also forget those that are employed making over the current minimum wage. You will need to give them raises to keep them happy and your managers are certainly going to need a raise if the lowest employee on the totem pole is making $15 per hour.

            Just because a company has 5000 workers worldwide doesn’t mean that they can support a financial burden that large. McDonald’s is franchised, people like your “friends”. They pay the payroll, not corporate headquarters.

            There is zero excuse to pay a person $15 per hour to flip burgers and mop floors.

          • Joe Smith

            What you do if you don’t make a high wage is to work multiple jobs 7 days a week like I did, I would leave one job and then head to the next, not fun but I had a place to live and food.

  • stop ur whining

    strike today, replaced today. breaking news….when anyone can do the job you do, you are expendable and there for have zero leverage. i bet the GM was laughing at the sight of protestors.

    • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

      Notwithstanding the fact that scabs are the lowest form of human life, it’s illegal to fire workers for striking, and if you like your weekends, paid vacations, and overtime, you should be very thankful for the workers who’ve organized over the last 150 years to secure them.

      • Pablo Jones

        Don’t you mean thank the unions from 100 years ago? What have unions done over the last 30 years? They unionized government sector workers which taken cities that never had budget issues to the verge of bankruptcy or significantly increased taxes.

        Health benefits were created by businesses to attract workers when the government froze wages, which by mean studies has led to the increase in healthcare costs.

      • Larry Crnobrnja

        “…it’s illegal to fire workers for striking…”

        First, only if it is a legal strike.
        Second, they can be terminated for not working as scheduled.

        • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

          A legal strike is defined as having a cause, and there are two types of strikes (wage strikes and unfair job action strikes). You also can’t go on a wildcat strike, but these aren’t unionized workers, so they can’t wildcat by definition.

          They cannot be terminated for missing a scheduled shift if they are on a protected strike, and they were.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Of course you are wrong. I’ve managed operations, union and non. I can assure you that either someone snowed you or you’re just blowing smoke. A properly designed attendance plan trumps whatever you are suggesting.

          • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

            Section 7 of the NLRA trumps your schedule.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            They aren’t in a union, makes it moot. They can walk a picket line when they aren’t scheduled to work, but are required to show up for their regularly scheduled shifts.

          • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

            Striking in no way requires a union. It requires an official grievance related to either compensation or unfair work actions, and nothing more. Section 7 says nothing of union requirements.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            You’re correct about not having to be in a union to be protected by the NRLA, but short of a CBA, there’s little chance of a recognizable grievance. Most employees in the country are at-will. That makes you wrong, still.

          • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

            At-will employment means either side can terminate employment with no cause. It doesn’t mean that employment can be terminated for causes which are protected by law, such as gender or race discrimination or protected strike actions.

            Walmart just got hit by the NLRB for this exact thing. They were charged to be in violation of firing strikers, in at-will states, who weren’t in a union, and who were scheduled. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/walmart-nlrb_n_4298387.html

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            “Got hit by the NLRB”? Really? You aren’t very familiar with the process, are you?

            I predict you will have a very miserable life, always looking for someone or something to blame for your shortcomings. Tell me I’m wrong, “comrade”.

          • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

            Why do you continue to insist that my activism has anything to do with my own success? You resort to personal attacks and baseless judgments because we’ve reached a point where you can’t seem to make a coherent statement on the actual topic.
            I’m not a minimum wage employee, I just have a little bit of concern about people other than myself. It’s a healthy part of the human mind that seems to be lacking in your responses.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            I never said you wouldn’t be successful, but my observations lead me to conclude that even if you become a millionaire, you would find reason to blame someone or something because you aren’t a billionaire.

            And I never suggested you work at minimum wage, though it’s ironic that you’ve got to “defend yourself” as if you’re “better than that”.

            You can call me Ebenezer if it makes you feel better about yourself. But your time would be better spent NOT tilting at windmills.

      • stop ur whining

        although you are correct that someone can not be fired for striking, you can be fired for ANYTHING else, ANYTHING. a minimum wage was established to set a minimum level of employment. nothing else. It certainly was not established to be a livable wage.

        as for unions…unions, at their inception were very much need as the work conditions were deplorable. that being said, the power has swung to far in the other direction. unions now serve to provide under educated and minimum level employees with maximum pay. there is zero excuse for a line worker at ford to make anything north of $60k. How about hotess, their union bankrupted the entire company. the auto bailout a few years back, unions getting too much. Face it, unions have crippled the us economy. we have lost thousands of jobs to other countries because unions. Time to hit the reset button.

        • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

          If the power has swung too far in the other direction, why are corporate profits and executive pay both at all-time record highs? I’d say if the workers had as much power as you assume, that the people at the top wouldn’t be figuratively drowning in their bonus money because the workers wouldn’t allow it.

          • stop ur whining

            please tell me what exactly your point is? a CEO or executive has a more important job, and therefore receives a higher wage. why should a bottom level grunt make more than he is worth just bc the company profits are up and executive pay is up? You are paid what you are worth, you want more money, go to school and become an executive. Execs make more, bc they are worth more.

        • Tommy Peel

          You have it wrong. the unions didn’t bankrupt hostess. Hostess was run by wall-street type ceo’s who didn’t know a thing about the baking industry. They took huge raises for themselves, as the workers continually gave back. Their equipment was antiquated, and they put nothing back into the company. The ceo” s also made huge sums for themselves when they took the company into bankruptcy.

          • Pablo Jones

            The last group that owned Hostess put tens of millions of dollars into the company. All the wages that went towards the top management wouldn’t have, if directed into the company, changed a thing. Sales were down and costs were up. They told the union they would shut down if they didn’t come to an agreement and they continued the strike. They brought it on themselves.

          • stop ur whining

            pablo is 100% correct.

          • Tommy Peel

            Pablo is wrong, very wrong. The workers turned down the companies very lopsided offer. which would have had a dire effect on employee scheduling, working conditions, hours, health insurance and pension,. The company went to a bankruptcy judge who tried to force the very unfavorable contract on the workers and the union< Frank Hurt" said no h_ll no,. the company knew the workers wouldn't go for the bad contract, the ceo's wanted to shut the company down so they could consolidate and make huges sums of money for themselves. Also most of the hostess plants were inefficient. And the equipment was very old. "this is a FACT"

          • stop ur whining

            fact, that “lopsided offer” called for the elimination of excess waste. for example, if a store carries ho ho’s and twinkes and donuts there are two deliveries made. one driver drops off the snacks, another the donuts.

            It is nothing more than your opinion that the offer was lopsided and it is your opinion that the CEO wanted to shut down the company. on the other hand it is fact that the union was offered a solution to keeping a company afloat that had been picked clean by the union.

            the law suit you mention was the second owner of hostess. the company has been on the decline for years because of the outrageous demands of the union. the second buyer assessed the situation, gave the union an option and said its either part of this or all of nothing, the union chose the latter.

            BTW, hostess is now financially solvent and union free. accident?

          • Tommy Peel

            It was on the decline for years because of mismanagement. As far as the offer being lopsided, I saw a copy of the company’s offer on paper.The company was picked clean by its management. I’ve been inside of a hostess plant, I saw first-hand the old and slow machinery.

          • stop ur whining

            mismanagement in paying your employees too much.

          • Tommy Peel

            Also, hostess is not financially solvent. There is no Hostess. its brands have been sold to other companies,

          • stop ur whining

            all that matters is that twinkies, ding dongs and ho ho’s are back on the shelves and were placed there by non union leeches.

          • stop ur whining

            Proof that you are way off base. Hostess even had the UAW look at the books and the worlds most powerful union even stated that the only way to keep the company afloat was for the employees to take cuts. But yea, it was a lopsided offer. facts do not lie my friend. hotess was fleeced dry by the union.

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2012/11/22/shame-on-the-gluttonous-bakery-union-members-blasted-twinkie-killers/

          • Tommy Peel

            This is something I know for a fact, not something that I read on a website.

          • stop ur whining

            sure it is. Again when the UAW, the largest and most powerful union, a staple in the struggle against corp america looks at your books and tells you to take a pay cut you have ZERO footing for an argument. Doesn’t matter how the info is received, whether online, in a newspaper or in a boardroom. numbers do not lie.

          • Tommy Peel

            How many pay cuts should a hourly worker take before he or she loses their dignity? Also upper management was continually giving themselves huge raises. Also the company owed the union huge sums in health and welfare benefits which the union forgave over the years. The company also offered the union and it wasn’t the UAW. a stake in the failing company. The UAW wasn’t the union that went on strike!! It was the BCTGM

          • Tommy Peel

            Also you have your info, wrong, it was the teamsters, not the UAW.

          • stop ur whining

            oh, im sorry…even better. Hoffa’s accountants went over it. face it, the union ran that company into the ground instead of taking a paycut. look what it go them. there are still twinkies and ding dong’s rollin out of the oven and this time, the baker is thankfully non union.

          • Tommy Peel

            stop ur whining: I can respect your opinion on this post: but on this hostess thing, you are very misinformed. there is alot that you just don’t know, you have been hoodwinked into thinking that the workers was at fault for management decisions. Did you know that the company was taking $4.25an hour for each employee for the pension fund and not turning the money over to the union? (keeping it for themselves?)I will tell you what happened. It failed because the people that ran it had no idea what they were doing,. Every other excuse is just an attempt by the guilty to blame someone else. A company like Hostess could not sustain itself with its heavy debt load.

          • stop ur whining

            dude you can shout that up and down till you are blue in the face but you have to be able to support your position or it is merely an opinion.

          • Tommy Peel

            Also numbers DO LIE; its called cooking the books.

          • stop ur whining

            oh yea that is it. hostess was cooking the books. hahahaha. always an excuse with nothing to support it. you know bc you were on “the inside”. spare me.

          • Tommy Peel

            Do you know of the equity firms “monarch or Siverpoint?” probably not. You just repeat what you have heard somewhere with no facts to back it up!

          • ken

            I know 3 people that worked for hostess and from what I was told tommy peel is 100% correct

          • stop ur whining

            you do not see the irony in that?

            of course the people responsible for the situation are going to say it was managements fault. you really think that they are going to admit that they sucked a company dry?

            until i see proof, it is nothing but a rumor started by a bunch of union cronies all about to lose their jobs.

          • Tommy Peel

            stop: 6 ceo’s in 10 years, none with baking experience. That in itself should tell you something. Todays bankruptcy laws favor hedge fund managers and venture capitalist. It is a game played by the rich that uses workers as pawns. ask Mitt Romney.

          • Pablo Jones

            And the one consistency was the unions were there the whole time. A CEOs background is running business, Having baking experiences means very little. Most successful CEOs had no experience in the industries they turned around. The Ford CEO came from aerospace and replaced Ford who spent his whole life in automotive and did nothing with the company.

          • Tommy Peel

            Pablo, there is a difference between building cars and baking bread. the unions were there when the company enjoyed years and years of prosperity. It helps a whole lot to have some knowledge of the type of business you are running. My main point is I was trying to show you that you were wrong when you said the union caused the company to fail. A CEOs job is to run a business and maintain stability, not run the business into the ground,

          • stop ur whining

            Tommy, for starters not having any baking experience make ZERO difference as he or she is not baking, they are running a company. It tells me nothing more than the company was not profitable and doing poorly, nothing more, nothing less. the last part about bankruptcy, that is all opinion, no facts to support it.

          • Tommy Peel

            Stop ur wh: it helps to have some knowledge of the business you are running. As for your statement about the company’s condition, you are right, the company was not profitable and it was doing very poorly, the part about the bankruptcy, what part don’t you understand? Its not opinion: it is fact. Not something made up!!

          • stop ur whining

            what is so difficult about baking? it is not by accident that children do it at home at a young age. you follow a recipe, set the timer and walk away. Now as for running a company, that you have to know how to do. which is all of the CEO’s they tried. All had experience running large companies, and a few were respected for the businesses they rejuvenated.

            BTW it is a fact that the unions were warned and called the companies bluff. were is that union today?

          • Tommy Peel

            stop ur wh: Can you name the few that were respected for the businesses they rejuvenated? Or is that just your opinion? The unions weren’t warned about anything. they knew the company was on its death bed! by the way the union that went on strike is still around. Its the largest union in the international, and it is very very solvent. And guess what there is a very big chance that when you bite into a piece of bread that it is union made.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Union affiliation in the United States is below 12%.

          • Tommy Peel

            Still waiting on you to name the CEO’s that were respected for the businesses they rejuvenated!!

          • Tommy Peel

            What is your proof that the workers, sucked the company dry? Phantom this Hostess’s ceo was awarded a 300% raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) prior to the Jan. 11, 2012 bankruptcy filing. Additionally, at least nine additional top executives also received incredible raises ranging from 35% to 80%. For example, one such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000. The chief negotiator for Hostess received a pay increase from $375,000 to $656,256. Yet they couldn’t even give the workers a 25cent raise. No they wanted to take almost everything the workers had earned in the past 10 years.

          • Pablo Jones

            These CEO’s and executives where the ones that brought the money to the company. They put tens of millions of new dollars into the company. They put more money in than they took out.

          • Tommy Peel

            Pablo, these CEO’s didn’t give anything to the company, they took from the company. Like I said previously, THEY SUCKED THE COMPANY DRY!!! and blamed it on the workers.

          • Pablo Jones

            The hedge fund that pulled Hostess out of bankruptcy previously put in $130 million in cash. They also bought up over $400 million in debt. And then got another secured loan for $300 million. That is a lot of money they pumped into the business. Hundreds of millions and the top executives took out what maybe $20 million in total compensation over the last 4 years? It’s not excessive if you put it in perspective.

          • Tommy Peel

            Pablo: In 2003, hostess started closing plants, stores and consolidating driver sales units, It saved $110million because of concessions its unionized workforce took. In2009 it emerged from bankruptcy as a private company CONTROLLED by a private equity firm” ripplewood Holdings” 2 hedge funds “Silver Point Capitol, and Monarch Alternative Capital”.They promised to reinvest that money back into the company. They didn’t. they pocketed it!! In 2011 they stopped paying obligated money into the worker’s pension plans. they saved another$400 mil. The company was worth 24billion. What hedge funds do is buy a companies debt at a reduced price,they then load the company with debt, then they systematically strip the company of its assets. then they take it to bankruptcy and sell off whats left to make more money. In this case the Hostess brand was worth alot of money. In case you don’t know, the most important component of any company is its WORKERS.

          • Pablo Jones

            wow generalities really make a convincing case. Who was blowing smoke up your rear end. An employee is only as valuable as the service they provide and how replaceable they are. If no one can do what they do then they are more valuable to the company. If anyone can do their job after a week of training they aren’t very valuable. As for hostess the most valuable component for their was brand identity. As they sold of the brands the buys wanted the brand not the workers.

            As for the hedge funds and such they did put money into the company and they reduced the company debt by hundreds of millions not load it up with debt. They make more money by turning a company around and then selling it off not liquidating it.

          • Tommy Peel

            Pablo, the hedge funds put $130 million into the company. they took $160 million from its workforce. They gave its executives outrageous bonuses. They never reduced the companies debt. They filed in 2004 the first time. when they emerged from bankruptcy they were further in debt than they were before they filed.They filed again in 2009. when they emerged the they were further in debt than they were when they filed.The new ownership promised to modernize its plants and trucks, and invest in new technology . they didn’t do it. Instead aging trucks and plant machinery were not replaced. New technology was ignored . the company”s debt continued to grow, and its sales continued to decrease. They filed again in January 2012. And they were further in debt than the first 2 times. THEY NEVER REDUCED ITS DEBT. They had to go to court and get permission to LIQUIDATE, before they could sell off its assets. “and make huge sums of money” which was their intention in the first place.!!”Pablo: they never turned the company around. 6 CEO’s in 10 years couldn’t do it.

          • Tommy Peel

            Thank you Ken.

          • Pablo Jones

            And where is the documentation of this? How many executives are in jail because of illegal activities?

          • Pablo Jones

            You opinion on the usefulness of equipment and the financial management of the company is not a fact it is an opinion. And depending who you are holds little weight. So who are you and how do you know everything about this company? Were you part of management and had to deal with the problems everyday? Were you one of the accountants that handled the money everyday? Or were you just a person who had a tour of one of their bakeries once and new a couple of people that worked there.

          • Tommy Peel

            The financial management is not an opinion, it is indeed a fact. There is a bankruptcy code called a 1113 procedure. This is what the company used. It isn’t an opinion! Also what about all of the astronomical raises that management gave themselves right before they filed for bankruptcy? Can you explain that to me?

          • Pablo Jones

            How has the closure of the business affected their schedules, working conditions, hours, health insurance, and pensions? I think their voting down the offer hurt them more than if they excepted it.

          • Tommy Peel

            Pablo, there comes a point in life when you have to say enough is enough. Sad that the workers lost their jobs, but, How long could they continue to be used by their employer? Everyone involved with the company knew that liquidation was the only option.

          • Pablo Jones

            If everyone in the company knew the company was going to be liquidated why did the other unions bother to negotiate and sign new contracts? How long could they have gone? They could have gone on a lot longer continuing to work while looking for a new job if it were that bad there.

            Seriously, I forget what the vote was on the last contract or to strike, sure it was over 50% but I’m sure there was a large percentage that didn’t want to strike and would have accepted the last contract. If those strikers knew a strike would close the company, meaning they would lose their jobs, why didn’t they just quit? They could have walked out of the job as a show of unity that they company was using them. It would have been a clear statement. Those that didn’t want to strike could have stayed on the job and many currently unemployed people could have been hired to replace those that left.

            Here is a story for the Blade. Track down those strikers, I remember seeing several of their names in the paper so they should be able to do it, and see how they are currently doing. Have they found work yet? Are they making more money? Do they have better benefits? Do they wish they didn’t strike and were still working there? But I’m sure several will say they are worse off but would gladly do it all again and wouldn’t go back.

          • Tommy Peel

            Just walk out of a job? there was no hope for the company. Even if the workers agreed on the miserable contract that the company tried to force down their throats. the company was still going to go under, You seem to want to blame the workers for the shutdown of the company, but there were many other factors in play that the workers had no control over. Also the other unions wasn’t asked to give back the amount the bakers were asked to.

          • Tommy Peel

            Pablo: vote was 92% against.

          • Pablo Jones

            Because the union said they could get a better offer and they weren’t serious about closing. Once again if the company was going to go out of business why not just leave and find a better job and leave those that wanted the job have it for as long as it lasted. From the look on the faces of the picketers when it was announced they were closing I think a great many of them didn’t think the company was going to go out of business.

            If it were truly the case they would have said they were on strike because of the poor business decisions that were ruining the company, not we want more money and benefits than they are offering.

            Again, how many of the former employees are better off?

          • Tommy Peel

            The union never said they could get a better offer. the union engaged in discussions for 6months but no deal was consummated.trust me the workers knew when they went on strike that the company was done. they didn’t go on strike because as you seem to believe they wanted more money and benefits. they were tired of taking concessions. They were tired of making concessions that gutted their contracts and took away their voice in the workplace.

          • Tommy Peel

            Also, are you making up the comments on your post? Because they really don’t make since.!!

  • alreadyfedup1

    Obama administration change of script policy to get the heat off of healthcare.gov NEXT. How coincidental that it happens in liberal Oberlin HMMMMMMMM.

    • Zen Grouch

      …I haven’t seen a plot this nefarious since G.W. brought down the Twin Towers!

      • ekwaykway

        LMAO

    • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

      It also happened in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Dayton, Akron, and in over 200 cities across the country, and it isn’t affiliated with the Democratic party.

      • alreadyfedup1

        Ahhh, a socialist by any other name is still a socialist.

        • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

          Not sure what you’re trying to say. Are you trying to insult socialists by calling us Democrats? Seems rather silly.

  • Larry Crnobrnja

    I have a suggestion; if the pay is too low, don’t accept the job.

    • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

      So you’d prefer they take public assistance?

      • Pablo Jones

        So the only alternative if they don’t take a minimum wage job is public assistance? If they think they are worth more let them find a job that pays more, that is what the majority of the people in this country do.

        • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

          That would work in Fantasyland, where there are as many well-paying jobs as there are willing workers. Sadly, there aren’t any flights to Fantasyland, so we have to live in Reality World.

          • Pablo Jones

            Are there jobs for everyone making $10, $15, or $20+? No, not for everyone, but there are jobs out there currently that pay that. Once again it comes back to education, skills, and abilities. If they want a better pay check they can learn a trade or go to school. But the reality is that many of the minimum wage workers can’t go back to school. Not because they can’t afford it (There are plenty of programs to help them), but because they can’t hack it. That is why they are in the minimum wage jobs. I looked at the job listings of the paper and surprise surprise there are businesses that want to hire people.

      • Larry Crnobrnja

        No, I prefer they either accept the pay of the job or go find another one.

        • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

          That’s a great idea! Except… what other job? Have you looked for a job lately, or are you making your judgment from the safety and security of stable employment that affords you the ability to pass judgment on those less fortunate?

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            I speak from experience.

  • stargazer2012

    Fast Food jobs were never meant to be a career opportunity! If you want a better paying job, get an education!! I say NO to higher wages!!

    • mdr12372

      if you have read the news over the past few years, you would be aware that a degree often leads to massive debt and not necessarily a decent job.

    • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

      Do you say no to higher wages for yourself? Or do you just want to make sure others don’t catch up with you?
      I can’t think of worse advice than “Go put yourself fifty thousand dollars in debt and come back into the same cruddy job market. You’ll still only be working for minimum wage, but at least you’ll have a sweet piece of paper.” A lot of college graduates are working in fast food. It’s the new reality since Americans didn’t fight back against outsourcing manufacturing and customer service jobs.

      • Pablo Jones

        How many college graduates are working fast food after graduating? About 65% of the fast food workers have a high school degree or less. If you add in those with some college experience (still in college or dropped out) and it goes up to about 95%. Of that remaining 5 percent you have supervisors, managers, owners, and maybe a few college graduates waiting for their next job who in most cases aren’t making minimum wage.

        The unemployment for a person with a college degree is 3.4% for Nov. 2013.

        • ekwaykway

          Your stastics are suspect.

          • Pablo Jones

            Maybe, but they come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. If you know of a better source of data please let me know.

        • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

          Unemployment for the nation as a whole is just over 7%. However, you’ll be quick to point out that this unemployment statistic is “flawed and biased and released by the Obama administration and doesn’t take into account people who have stopped looking for a job and etc.”

          Your 3.4% figure is from the same dataset. So yeah, lack of degree means you’re about twice as likely to be unemployed. Real unemployment is near 25%, so we can reasonably extrapolate that real college graduate unemployment is around 12%.

          I don’t care if you’re part of the 25% or the 12%, five or six digit debt is a VERY risk proposition, and it’s easy to suggest something so ludicrous when you’re already safely employed, but it’s statistically a bad idea for those who already don’t have an income.

          • Pablo Jones

            Alan where are you coming up with 25%? You say my numbers are off but I at least have sources for mine. The “official unemployment” uses the U3 number, which is currently 7% with doesn’t count the people that stopped looking for work. The U6 number includes even the people that have stop looking but would work if they could as well as people taking part time jobs because they can’t find full unemployment, and this number is only 13.2%. So what are you counting all the senior citizens and retired workers as out of work. Are you coming up with your own U7 number. What was it back in 2010 45% unemployed?

            While the number that I posted of college graduates was based on the U3 number, the percentage of college graduates that drop out of the labor force because they are discouraged and can’t find work is much smaller than the general population. The labor force participation rate for high school or less is about 45%, the rate for a bachelors is 76%.

            The rate dropped about 2% since 2008, so if you want you can add 2% to 3.4% making the unemployment 5.4%. 5.4% would be a great unemployment number in any economy. But you are saying we need to raise the minimum wage because we now have a large number of college graduates working in fast food. Sorry but the numbers don’t match up with the story you are telling.

            As far as their educational debt goes, they made the decision where to go to school. If I’m going to major it art or philosophy they should know that they aren’t going to make a lot of money and should go to a school that will charge them $30,000 a semester. I do think colleges be up front with this with the students when applying. If daddy is paying for most of it fine, but if they are financing over 50% then the school should say it’s not a good fit. Further, most student loan programs allow them to defer their payments if unemployed and many government loans can be forgiven if they can’t find work.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            You’re likely not going to get a response from Alan. People like he can’t handle facts.

    • ekwaykway

      Well whats your education bringing you per hour? Hmmm….let me guess.

  • Zen Grouch

    I for one would like to see McDonald’s workers get every single penny they demand!

    That way this scourge on the face of the planet would go out of business and leave all of our gastrointestinal systems alone!

    …I wouldn’t eat that processed dung if they paid me.

  • oldruss

    Makes me want to go to McD’s and buy a BIgMac, fries, and a chocolate shake. All to show my support for the management and for the shareholders of McDonald’s Corporation.

    • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

      I really hope you’re not part of the working class. This is a disgusting attitude. I’d expect it from some out of touch millionaire executive who doesn’t contribute to society, because they love their free handouts, but nobody who has worked for a living should feel this way about other people trying to work for a living.

      • Pablo Jones

        The people that are working for a living or want to better themselves are not out participating in the strike. Seriously what does it say about those people that say they need minimum wage to increase to improve their lives? It says they are only worth the bare minimum and nothing more. That the only way they can make more money is by the government raising the minimum wage. That is sad for that to be the case in America. They have the potential to make more than minimum wage, don’t limit them.

      • Larry Crnobrnja

        “I’d expect it from some out of touch millionaire executive who doesn’t contribute to society…”

        We don’t need no stinking business owners, we don’t need no stinking jobs. BRILLIANT!

        • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

          The irony here is that you think you’re insulting me, but you actually showed your own bias. Workers can work with or without millionaires confiscating the excess value of their labor. The owner class exists because they have the money and power to protect their existence… not because they “create jobs.”

          Never heard of a farmer? A mechanic? A repairman? They don’t need bosses. They need customers. Bosses are a hindrance.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            No insult intended, just being blunt. Go ahead and own your own farm or start your own business. Who is stopping you?

          • Pablo Jones

            Sure you can be a farmer or a mechanic etc. But if you are going to make a living being a farmer you will either need a dozen kids or you will have to hirer workers and then you will become the “owner class”

            The majority of the people in this country, lack the skills and ability to run their own business. My buddy loves working on cars and he is good at it, but he will only work at dealerships, he doesn’t want to work on his own. He doesn’t want to have to deal with the paper work and business details.

            Those “owners” receive their pay because they are able to bring in the work and finance the equipment that the employees could not do on their own. By working together the owner and the employees are better off. If you have ever worked at a place where no one was in charge it is a mess and very little gets done, that is why management and owners get paid.

          • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

            I’d like to know more about the chaos and lowered productivity at the Mondragon Corporation, a group of co-ops with no executive leadership. Seems to me that they’ve evolved beyond the theory that a capital class is needed to be organized and productive.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Of course you aren’t being honest. Mondragon has a Board of Directors and that board assigns managers to run the operations. I would posit those selections are based on capability and the desire to sustain the business.

            Additionally, by their own admission, the wage difference between the bottom and top paid jobs can exceed 700%.

          • Pablo Jones

            I would like to tell you more about them, but the last annual report I can find from them came out in 2010. Their appliance division filed for bankruptcy and their sales have been decreasing for the last several years. You would think if they were organized they could put out an annual report annually.

          • Pablo Jones

            Ok I found some more recent data on them. Their debt levels are rising (10% increase over the most recent year), sales are down (over 7%), and they are cutting employees.

          • SniperFire

            There is no ‘excess value of labor’ when it comes to flipping the sides of a hamburger, Alan. That is a myth they tell you to repeat at your commie rallies.

          • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

            Not a Communist, thanks. I’m a mutualist myself, though I’m imagining you were just trying to use a valid political stance as an insult because you think less of people with opinions that are different from yours.

            Sadly, you don’t seem to understand the Labor Theory of Value. If there was no excess value of labor in an enterprise, there would be no profits. The profit is derived from the difference between the revenue generated by the workers and the amount paid to them for that work. They are given less than the full value created by their labor. This is literally the basis of capitalism.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_theory_of_value

          • SniperFire

            ‘Not a Communist, thanks. I’m a mutualist myself’

            LOL. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_without_a_difference

          • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

            Are you completely illiterate? Mutualism utilizes the market. You seem to think the word “Communism” means “everything that I personally don’t like.”

            Read a book.

          • SniperFire

            Mutualism – another lame azzed collectivist day dream that does not account for the vagrancies of human nature. LOL

  • ekwaykway

    If you’re gonna make billions in profit, pay your people what’s right!

    • stargazer2012

      They ARE getting paid ‘what’s right’! These jobs are small go-between jobs for high school and college students and the occasional seniored citizen. They were never meant to be a job to support a family on. If the economy is THAT BAD where people are using these small go-between jobs to support themselves and their family, then I strongly suggest they turn around and look who their President is, what party he belongs to and ask, where are the JOBS you promised us four years ago?!? Don’t blame fast food!! Blame your President, he has done nothing but destroy this economy when he’s not taking million dollar vacations paid for by you!!

      • mdr12372

        1998 called; it wants it’s economy back.

      • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

        Not only are you blaming one person for the entire unemployment problem, you’re blaming a person who wasn’t even president until after it had already happened.
        The unemployment “problem” isn’t a problem for corporations. They want a weak labor market so they can continue to pay poverty wages and get away with it. They want people to just be “happy to have a job at all” like another person commented above. They don’t want workers standing together to bring things back in line with how they were in 1978, when the average CEO made as much as 26 workers (as opposed to 380 today).
        And most of all, they want half the working class (you) to fight against the other half of the working class (these strikers) because they don’t want ANY of the working class asking why the CEO of McDonald’s tripled his salary to over $14,000,000 last year, making in two minutes what the average worker makes in an entire week.

        • Pablo Jones

          The majority of companies in 1978 were much smaller. Sure you had large companies, but the large companies are now multinational companies.

          By the way, the median CEO pay is about $350,000, hardly the pay of 380 workers. The median CEO pay for companies with at least $1 billion in revenue was only $1.7 million.

          You are right though the down turn did start before President Obama was elected. The economy and national deficit were improving from 2004-2007. The down turn started in 2007 when the Democrats took over congress where they increased the deficit $300 billion and increased minimum wages.

      • ekwaykway

        Coming from a person who never worked in a fast food restaurant I suspect?

    • Zen Grouch

      People work at McDonald’s, not for the big bucks, but to pick up much needed job skills, to prepare them for future job opportunities… like the Army.

    • Pablo Jones

      Well the right pay for them would probably be below minimum wage.

      • ekwaykway

        Stated buy a person who never worked in a fast food restaurant.

        • Pablo Jones

          Worse I worked in a 24 hour restaurant.

    • SniperFire

      Or, you could just outsource to China when the employees cost you more to make a product than the same employee is willing to pay for it @ Walmart.

  • ekwaykway

    Hey Old Mc Donald, thanks a pant load Chet.

  • levtrotsky

    WOW a dozen malcontents get this kind of press coverage…..must have been a preplanned story or a very slow news day in Oberlin.

    • Zen Grouch

      Had to have been a “preplanned story” since there’s no such thing as a “slow news day” in the bustling metropolis of Oberlin.

  • Mark B

    The CT is Pro Democrat and Pro Liberal this is nothing new

    • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

      The CT isn’t part of the Low Pay is Not OK organization. They’re reporting the news. Reality must simply have a liberal bias.

  • SniperFire

    Think I’ll run out an hit the dollar menu in solidarity!

  • FireFlyJAM

    WWJD ? What the #$@$ am I typing now…

    • FireFlyJAM

      Better yet WWJsay ?

  • kevin Smelley

    ah ahhhahaha ahahahah ahahahhaa……..that made me laugh..

  • SniperFire

    Right after the protest, all twelve of them got in their cars and ordered McChickens off of the dollar menu @ McDonalds.

  • WTFnext

    There are plenty of people working for minimum wage that do harder jobs than these burger flippers. What makes them think they are so special that the minimum wage should be raised for their profession only. I use the term profession for lack of a better word at the moment. If the minimum wage gets raised, it should be for everyone not just one particular segment of workers. Get an education and a real job. In the time they spent protesting, they could have applied for several jobs!

    • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

      What makes you think they’re wanting the minimum wage raised for their profession only? Stop making stuff up.
      By the way: The definition of “a real job” is one where you go, clock in, and work. Every job is a real job. Show some respect.

      • WTFnext

        I think you should read the article before you run your mouth and accuse someone of making stuff up! It says they are protesting for a higher minimum wage “for fast food workers”, not a higher minimum wage in general. Why don’t you go flip burgers since you think every job is a “real job”.

        • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

          That’s a terrible argument. Why would I do that? And how would that change anything? You’re just trying to be confrontational instead of contributing to the discussion.

          • WTFnext

            I’m confrontational? Really? You ran your mouth and accused me of making stuff up when the article clearly states they are seeking a higher wage for fast food workers not a higher minimum wage in general. You seem to be a self proclaimed know it all. However you don’t make sure you know it all before running your mouth.

          • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

            The only people I’ve ever heard use the phrase “running your mouth” were confrontational people who would rather pick fights than debate facts, such as the fact that the group is campaigning for raising the minimum wage, which is a federal standard, not a fast food industry policy. By the very nature of what a minimum wage is, it would obviously and clearly apply to everyone.

            If you would like to challenge this, by proving that the federal minimum wage only applies to fast food workers and nobody else, then I would be happy to read your response. Otherwise, I think we’re done here.

          • SniperFire

            Why would a ‘mutaliist’ (ROTFLMAO) be interested in a gubmint forced minimal wage? Rather commie of you. LOL

          • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

            It would be nice if adults could debate philosophies with a little bit of emotional maturity. This isn’t an intelligent conversation and I don’t have the time or patience for childishness.

          • SniperFire

            I am making fun of you, commie. I see you ducked the question. LOL

          • WTFnext

            If you want to debate FACTS, read the article again. The fact is that they are protesting for higher wages for fast food workers not everyone in general as you keep maintaining. There can be no debate when one of us in uninformed, but thinks he is the authority on the matter. And since you don’t like the term “running your mouth”, let’s call it “spewing your misguided and misinformed bull.”

          • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

            I’m looking for your source where minimum wage only applies to fast food. I think you forgot to post it.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            I am pretty sure WTFnext has been very clear, his source is the article. Did you read it?

          • WTFnext

            Thank you Larry. Obviously he has not read it or he wouldn’t keep maintaining his stance on the matter. All of the articles and stories over the last few months about the fast food protests, have been them crying for their own profession and not for everyone who is making minimum wage. Alan just can’t admit he is wrong, obviously. I’m glad I’m not the only one who can see his folly and belligerence.

  • Robin Michael Rush

    Minimum wage is more consistent with the current economy than it was when I was younger. I agree with some of the comments here–it doesn’t take a lot of skill and experience to work in fast food. When I worked in fast food, there were no computers. Everything was done by hand and math skills were required. It was and still is entry level work. There are many opportunities for promotion and increased income not only in fast food but in almost every business.

  • ekwaykway

    I would bet everybody on this message board crying and complaining is making less than fifteen dollars an hour. Be honest, fessup.

  • ekwaykway

    What difference does the skill level or education make? Their working aren’t they? Paying taxes aren’t they? If they were breaking rocks it would still be work would it not? Auuggghhhnnnxxxx…. wheres the tylenol?

    • Pablo Jones

      If the supply of labor is plentiful the price to pay it will be low. You can’t demand to be paid $20 / Hr if someone else will do it for less. Now if you have a skill or education that few people have then you will be paid more for your work. Almost anyone can be trained in a short period of time to make a cheese burger. There are fewer people that can design bridges and buildings so they get paid more. There are few people that can operate on a brain so they make more money. For experience there are plenty of lawyers, they can do things that most people can’t do. Those that are very good at what they do make even more money. If you are breaking rocks any lug head can do that, but most people don’t have the endurance to do it so they get paid more.

  • ekwaykway

    So one busts his hump in college, earns a degree, is up to his eyeballs in student loan debt only to find out some uneducated slack jawed troglodyte is makig more than he does. Ha ha ha! Now thats funny!

  • ekwaykway

    Their comin to take me away ha ha, their comin to take me away ho ho he he ha ha to the funnyfarm where life is beautiful all the time.

  • David France

    They should get payed less. They always mess up my order. Not just McDonald’s but all the fast food ones do. Specially the minority ones. Their the worst.

  • Agustin Aviles

    Obama wants minimun wages to go up because the people earning $7.85 per. hour aren’t making enough to get Obama Healthcare. If minimun wage is raised to $15.00 per. hour, gas prices will soar along with everything else. And then the person making minimun wage ($15.00 per hour) flipping burgers still couldn’t afford to eat a burger or Obama Healthcare.

    • Zen Grouch

      Why would gas prices “soar” when just about everyone involved in the petrochemical industry (except for the pump jockey at the 7-11) is making more than 15 bucks an hour?

    • Tommy Peel

      Blame it on Obama, “get real”

  • SniperFire

    Great thing about America? If you think you are worth more than $7.35 an hour to stuff hamburgers in a sack, start your own Hamburger Sacking enterprise and charge what you think you are really worth in the open market! Or better yet, be a ‘mutualist’ and start your own little co-op of hamburg sackers and dominate the market using good ol’ fashioned ‘For the Motherland’ teamwork! In either case, you determine your own outcome.

  • ken

    just give them about $11 an hour and let it go. everybody would be happy. NOW LET IT GO!!!

  • Pablo Jones

    The funny thing here about all this talk about raising the minimum wage and that so many people (single parents, college kids, etc.) are now only earning minimum wage. But in all these articles it is never mentioned how many people earn minimum wage. So who wants to take a guess at how many people earn minimum wage? Is it 25%, 15%, or 10%? It’s none of them, less than 3% of the labor force earns minimum wage. That means more than 97% of workers are earning more than minimum wage.

    • Larry Crnobrnja

      Not sure where you got that stat (BLS?), but it is very telling. Most minimum wage jobs are temporary and entry level in nature. Of course maybe we can run our operations like the NFL and give all the rookies $10,000,000 contracts.

      • Pablo Jones

        BLS: Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers: 2012

        “1.6 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 2.0 million had wages below the federal minimum.”

        Those below minimum wage are mostly tip workers who most likely earn more than minimum wage. But we will include them anyway for 3.6 million at or below minimum wage. There are 155 million people in the labor force. That means 2.3% of workers earn minimum wage or less and not counting tips.

        Funny they say raising minimum wage won’t increase prices, but as the minimum wages for football has increased so have the ticket prices.

  • bpbatista

    Here’s an idea — all these people protesting McDonald’s for an increase in the minimum wage can go and start their own businesses and pay themselves and their workers as much as they want.

    Let’s see how that works out.

  • Pebody

    if they dont like flipping burgers for min. wage they can go to wal-mart and push carts in a parking lot with inches of slush and snow in it and a bunch of crazed shoppers driving like fools who dont know what it is to look before you back up. And IF they last till spring time they can enjoy the rainy season and the summer heat too. Now tell me whats harder, flipping burgers or pushing 25 shopping carts at a time for 8 hours…if a shift at mc ds is even 8 hours