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Teens caught with bottle bombs

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David Orzech

AMHERST — Police said they found cleaning materials, homemade bottle bombs and four stolen street signs when they responded to a complaint of suspicious activity in a backyard.

David Orzech, 18, of Amherst and three 17-year-old boys were charged with inducing panic, criminal tools and disorderly conduct about 3:45 p.m. Tuesday at a house on the 100 block of East Avenue, where one of the 17-year-olds lived. Orzech and one of the boys were also charged with unlawful possession of street signs.

Police said they found the teenagers with two 20-ounce plastic bottles and tin foil in the backyard. Police also found four street signs, which had been taken from around the town, said Amherst police Lt. Dan Jasinski.

The bottles were full of a mixture of different kinds of house cleaner which, when put together and pressurized, can make a bomb, Jasinski said.

The teenagers cooperated with police and said they had followed directions they found on the Internet about how to make bombs, according to a press release.

Because the teenagers had not pressurized the bottles, police determined they were not dangerous.


  • Tom

    Wasn’t there a time when the cops would come, talk to the parents, tell them too keep an eye on their kids and then leave? I hate bringing criminal charges on teenager for just being young and stupid.

    • ekwaykway

      No friendly warnings today, just arrest, charge, then convict.

    • Abbie

      Cause and effect. That’s how they learn. I would rather they go through due process (which won’t amount to anything anyway) than learn that they can get away with something like this. They knew not to do this in the front yard so they knew they were doing something wrong. What do we hear from the parents anyway: “I have to work” – “That wasn’t my kid” – “He’s a good boy” – “He didn’t mean to hurt anyone” – etc. …And at ages 17 and 18, they should be beyond this stage and looking towards a more productive pastime like after-school jobs.

      • Simon Jester

        Bullsh**

        It’s a noisemaker, not a “bomb”.

        I’m glad that Amherst is so peaceful, that the cops there have nothing better to do than harass dumb teenagers.

        • Abbie

          And the 4 street signs? That didn’t belong to them? Think they dismantled them in broad daylight and let people see them carrying them home? Don’t you want better for these kids? How else to drive home a ‘lesson learned’?

          • Simon Jester

            So charge them for theft and be done.

            I’ll leave you to decide where you can shove your sanctimony.

          • Abbie

            So… you’re saying that they are thieves? But let it go?

            “sanctimoniousness: the quality of being hypocritically devout”

            Are you saying I am a thief so I should not comment? I am seriously concerned in the direction these YOUNG MEN are headed in and what they are TAKING FROM the community. These are not childish pranks, these are devious choices that they are making and they do not have the means to pay for the manpower to replace the signs to where they belong in order to right their wrongs.

          • Simon Jester

            You’re right. Obviously we should draw and quarter them, instead of letting the justice system do it’s work. Teenagers stealing signs and making “bottle bombs” (which aren’t actually destructive, and ARE childish pranks) Here’s a ***damned protip, there weren’t any “bottle bombs” IED’s in Afghanistan.

            No one, including me, ever said that stupid teenagers shouldn’t be responsible for stealing signs. And if that be the least of their sins, I think the community is coming out ahead.

          • Abbie

            Initially you said “I’m glad that Amherst is so peaceful, that the cops there have nothing better to do than harass dumb teenagers.” Explosives, of any type, made by amateurs in an unsupervised, amateur fashion, with household cleaners (probably swiped) fashioned by young men who should be old enough to know better, is not a harmless pastime. No community is “coming out ahead” when that community is being repeatedly vandalized by 17 and 18 year-old not-so-juvenile delinquents and a young adult. Seriously? The community DOES come out ahead when it and its citizens are NOT being deliberately stolen from which in turn requires the attention and manpower from their PD and Street Department to rectify their habitual errors in judgement.

        • formerlorainresident

          The amount of force that is generated at the time of the explosion is enough to severe fingers and cause second and third degree chemical burns. . The chemicals can also cause blindness.

          They require agitation (shaking) to initiate the chemical reaction. They have been cases when these have been intentionally left for a homeowner, child or a random passerby to pick up.

          They sit there, inactive, until picked up by someone thinking they are garbage. When moved, the chemicals mix and it explodes.

          They are not noisemakers. See my post below. I have experienced this first hand and can tell you they cause physical damage, not just a loud, harmless sound.

        • formerlorainresident

          <<<Challenges anyone who disagrees to make one, stand near it while it explodes, and tell us about it.

          Better yet, video tape it and post it on U Tube.

          Bet there are no takers on this one. I mean, if they only make a little noise, you can simply wear ear plugs.

          Cops in Amherst did exactly what they are paid to do. Protect the public, at times this means having to protect idiots from themselves.

        • formerlorainresident

          I challenge anyone who thinks these are simple “noisemakers” to take the “bottle bomb challenge.”

          Make one, shake it up real good, and stand near it while it emits its “harmless” little sound. Then write us and let us know how it worked out for you.

          Better yet, video tape it and post it on U Tube.

          Any takers? I mean, c’mon you are so sure these things are harmless.

          Amherst cops did exactly what they are paid to do; protect the public. Sometimes this means they even have to protect idiots from themselves.

          So, any volunteers?

          • Simon Jester

            Examples are all over Youtube, should you have bothered to look.

          • formerlorainresident

            Missed the point.

            I challenged anyone who thinks these are harmless little noisemakers to expose themselves to one.

            I mean, why not? They aren’t dangerous, or are they?.

            I am sure their minds would change very quickly.

            So do we any volunteers? I did not think so.

        • Phil Blank

          It IS a bomb!
          The chemicals in the drain cleaner react with the aluminum foil causing the pressure build-up and explosion, And that spreads the acid based drain cleaner all over the place, and possibly in someone’s eyes.
          It could result in a federal offense charge from the BATFE!

          • Simon Jester

            Dear god, but you actually believe that?

            Pressure builds up, bottle ruptures. There is no “explosion”.

            And if a simple works “bomb” could possibly result in Federal charges, this country is past screwed.

          • formerlorainresident

            In case you missed the message below, I’ll repost it. I have seen these things and I will tell you they do more than “rupture” a bottle.

            I have experienced it first hand.

            We had a rash of these in Avon Lake a few years back. Random placement of these in mailboxes at the street.

            Mine was one which was hit, along with three neighbors in the same night.

            I was home at the time, in my office at 1am. I can tell you from experience, these are “bombs.”

            The mailbox, which was metal was completely destroyed, including the steel post, all the way down to the ground.

            Metal scrapnel was everywhere. The biggest piece of metal was on the top of my two story house, 75 feet away! My car was also hit and damaged by the flying metal.

            These kids have no idea what they are doing. Once the foil is placed in the bottle, the length of time until explosion is unknown. It could go off in their hands, or as someone is walking by.

            I will tell you the police take this seriously, in fact the HazMat team came out and the Bomb Squad checked the other mailboxes in the neighborhood for safety.

            These things just do not fizz, they explode!

          • Simon Jester

            Again, I submit that this is Bullsh*t.

            I’ve seen the aftermath of actual bombs, and made “works bombs” in my youth. What you’re pushing is nonsense.

            Why not make us a Youtube vid of this awful destruction? A bloody 2 litre bottle in a common mailbox?

            I again call BS, and your account a lie. If stupid teenagers get hurt with them, more the better, stupid should hurt. If nothing else, it’s a learning experience.

            Calling the bomb squad and making this a Federal offense? May as well just shred our constitution and call the Russians for advice.

    • Abbie

      “Police also found four street signs…” These kids are on a spree here. Parents should have seen street signs on their property so I don’t think the parents are doing the “keep an eye on their kids” thing in the first place.

      • Nichole Seni

        I agree and this wasn’t the first time the cops were there. They were also there the previous night they were trying to steal the NO PARKING from — to — sign in front of my fiance’s moms.. and then a couple days before that they tried to break into a couple of the neighbors sheds 3 or 4 times and they were CAUGHT everytime and ran off by the neighbors.

  • Bob Sweatt

    How is a plastic bottle, tin foil and Drano considered a bomb??
    Yeah it makes a loud bang. But it’s not a bomb. At least not to me.

    I know it is dangerous. But hey at least these kids were out using their imaginations and not sitting in front of a gaming console.

    • formerlorainresident

      Bob,

      We had a rash of these in Avon Lake a few years back. Random placement of these in mailboxes at the street.

      Mine was one which was hit, along with three neighbors in the same night.

      I was home at the time, in my office at 1am. I can tell you from experience, these are “bombs.”

      The mailbox, which was metal was completely destroyed, including the steel post, all the way down to the ground.

      Metal scrapnel was everywhere. The biggest piece of metal was on the top of my two story house, 75 feet away! My car was also hit and damaged by the flying metal.

      These kids have no idea what they are doing. Once the foil is placed in the bottle, the length of time until explosion is unknown. It could go off in their hands, or as someone is walking by.

      I will tell you the police take this seriously, in fact the HazMat team came out and the Bomb Squad checked the other mailboxes in the neighborhood for safety.

      These things just do not fizz, they explode!

      • Bob Sweatt

        Well yeah inside a metal mailbox is dangerous as hell. But these kids were in their backyard not hurting anyone, well maybe they were making a lot of noise. But if it went off no one would have gotten hurt expect them.

        People have been doing this thing for YEARS now. But all of a sudden people are calling the police about it. Sound to be like the neighbor had a beef with this kid’s family.

        All I am saying is, at least they were outside doing something. Not vegging out in front of a game console or tv.

        • Nichole Seni

          what the story failed to report was that the boys younger siblings were out there as well and they were shooting at the bottles with bb/air guns. the little ones could have very easily gotten hurt. they are very lucky that one of the younger siblings didn’t try to pick one of them up. that is scarey.

        • Corinne Jaenke

          those bottles explode with shards of plastic and the chemicals inside. that will not only burn your skin but god forbid it gets in your eyes… you will be blind! They may not be what a person thinks of as a traditional bomb but they are still very dangerous

        • formerlorainresident

          Not meaning to be argumentative, but I can say as a father of four, I would rather have my kids inside playing a video game, than outside, playing with chemicals.

          Who knows what their intentions were for these devices. Drano in the eye, could result in blindness for life.

          My only point is these are not science experiments.

          • Tom

            You would rather have them inside playing video games because they’re easier to control, not because it’s what’s best for the kids. These kids are curious about things that go boom, who isn’t? If they had someone, and adult with them to show them how to do it safely and responsibly, this would be a completely different scenario. Maybe one of these kids will grow up to plan explosions on movie sets, who knows…

          • formerlorainresident

            So you really think making explosives using hydrochloric acid is really “best” for any kid”?

            Is this a trick question?

            Hmmmm…have my kids playing Madden 2014 with a couple of friends in the basement, or have them out in the backyard bomb building. Endangering the lives of themselves and their little brothers and sisters. Which is better?

            Let me think about that for about a nanosecond.

            Oh, and for about the fifth time here, an 18yo is not a child. If he was to play with things that go boom, he should join the Army.

            This would provide this young, aspiring, want to be movie set explosives expert a much better background and experience to pursue his dreams.

            I bet that is why he was dropping foil into Drano in a a plastic bottle. Tell that one to the judge.

          • Simon Jester

            If an 18 year old wants to play stupid games, as you’ve stated, he’s more than entitled to the consequences. It’s not the police departments job to protect him from himself.

            And on the Army note, you’ve obviously never served.

        • formerlorainresident

          Maybe I am just showing my age. When I was a kid, we mixed baking soda with vinegar to make a harmless “volcano.” Usually because we had to come up with a science project and waited until the last minute.

          Now they play with hydrochloric acid. I suppose kids will be kids. Well I suppose they are still kids, at the ages of 17yo and 18yo. I guess that makes at least one of them an adult.

          Just don’t ask the taxpayer to pay for your injuries when you do something stupid, if you have no health insurance. (Not implying these kids did not have insurance)

    • Simon Jester

      Indeed, nominally harmless. Works “bombs” only mame the incredibly stupid. I’m not sure that’s a negative thing.

  • Nichole Seni

    Unfortunate that these kids are uncontrolled. They have no common sense. Someone I know lives over there and these kids have been running around the neighbor hood stealing street signs, vandalizing people’s sheds, making bombs, and lord only knows what else. The mom is at work all day and leaves the oldest to hold up the fort while she is gone. This lady needs to get a hold of her children. The worst part is they only moved in maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago and all of this has happened already! It’s absolutely insane.

    • Bob Sweatt

      Ok here’s the thing. Is she a single parent?? If so cut her some slack. At least she is out making a living and NOT sitting at home on welfare.

      I don’t approve of the things these kids did. But kids will be kids. They didn’t hurt anyone with these so called bombs. There are a lot of worse things these boys could have done.

      • Nichole Seni

        There is no “slack” for being a single parent. Being a single parent has nothing to do with controlling your kids. You have no idea.. these kids skip school constantly then they run all over the neighborhood trying to steal stuff from people’s sheds and garages and this has all happened in the 2-3 week time period that they have lived in that house. Being a single parent does not give your children an excuse to run around the neighborhood skipping school vandalizing people’s ( and public) property and destroying stuff! That is a poor excuse!!!!!!!

        • Bob Sweatt

          I am a single parent myself. So I do have a very good idea. But you are right. there is no excuse for what these kids are doing. But cut the woman some slack. It sounds like the father is nowhere to be found.

          Apparently you have no idea what it is like trying to be a mother and father to your kids. It’s not the easiest thing to do. But I have support from my family. This woman seems to be doing it all alone.

          What a Shame.
          To judge a life that you can’t change.

          • Nichole Seni

            No I don’t and I am sure it isn’t easy, I wouldn’t know. However, I am sure this woman is fully aware of all the havoc her kids are causing and have caused prior to him being 18.. so she has had plenty of time to correct the behavior. It is unfortunate that the other ones will follow behind the oldest and it will be a cycle all over again.
            I dont care if you work 13 or 16 hours a day, there is plenty of resources and time to check up on your kids or have people check in with them when you are at work. It’s not an excuse to let your kids skip school, beat the crap out of other kids, vandalize property, and steal. No matter what.

          • Bob Sweatt

            What should happen is, the court should force him to join the military.

          • Nichole Seni

            Yea right.

          • Bob Sweatt

            You would be surprised at how many good military men were just like this kid. I had two on one of my teams.

      • Just saying

        17 or 18 you should have a little thing called common sense at that age they’re not mixing that stuff for something good to come from it and if you read the article it said they got it off the internet on how to make bombs….

        • Bob Sweatt

          Well look at it this way. You can find out how to make C4 and napalm on the internet. Let’s all be glad they choose something a science teacher once showed his students. Cause yes that’s how this little trick got started. A science teacher showe his students how to do this so call bomb.

          • Just saying

            no lets be glad the cops caught them before they hurt there selves or someone else.

          • Bob Sweatt

            Exactly. They didn’t hurt anyone. They were just making a lot of noise that apparently pissed off one neighbor.

            Like I said. I don’t agree with what they did. But at least they were doing something other then sitting on their lazy butts.

  • Dawn Vancs

    Go ahead and take the kids to court and make them face what they have done (community service) but does it have to be plastered all over the internet?? For pity’s sake…kids can’t make a mistake anymore. This kind of stuff affects their chances for employment, etc later in life.

    • Nichole Seni

      at 18, which the boy pictured is, you are considered a “man”. The other kids were not named, because they are under age. At this age they should know by now right from wrong… and this is not the only thing they are doing. they are STEALING from the neighborhood, breaking into and vandalizing other people’s storage sheds around them. one of them is a known drug addict. this is a problem… and the fact that they have only been living in this home for possibly under a month just shows that the parent has no control.

      • Dave Sommers

        My first thought was he looks to be around 14 yrs old. Very young looking! Still has a baby face.

    • formerlorainresident

      With all due respect, he is not a “kid,”he is an adult! It is time it acts like one and accepts the responsibilities which come with adulthood.

      Until a “kid” is held accountable for their actions, they will never become a responsible adult. We see this over and over on these pages.

      Since they seem to like stealing road signs, I suggest a punishment of working an entire, hot summer with a work crew that blacktops the same roads they stole from. For no pay of course.

      This would seem to be a reasonable.

      • Dawn Vancs

        I am only saying that it does not need to be plastered all over the Internet for all eternity.

        • 440 resident

          This is nothing compared to what kids themselves are plastering all over the internet! I’d be willing to bet his tweets and Instagram pictures portray him way worse than this article and his arrest ever will. With that, the fact that this has been covered by a local news paper and is going to “ruin” this “kids” future is NOT MY PROBLEM or anyone else’s for that matter. Regardless of how old they are, what they are curious about, or that mom is a single working mother that has to either work or watch her own kids, what they were doing was wrong. PERIOD. Regardless of anything else, there is no reason at all that they should have been building bombs, curious boys or not. Quit validating their poor choices and enabling this type of behavior. And quit excusing the fact that parents continue to NOT raise their children, single working mom or not. There are plenty of single, full time working parents who have raised their children to know the difference between what is right and wrong and that know what behavior is unacceptable.

          • formerlorainresident

            Well Said!!!

    • formerlorainresident

      Also, we they stealing stop signs? Who knows.

      Stop sign gone, car goes through intersection, collides with another car = dead people. Not such an innocent crime.

    • Bob Sweatt

      It’s thought like your that is the REASON these kids act the way they do these days. There is a reason I call this generation the “ME” generation. They get away with everything and aren’t held accountable. I applaud the CT for putting this story on the net. It’s just to bad they couldn’t put pictures up of the other kids.

      And This kind of stuff doesn’t affect them. It’s their stupid CHOISES that affect them.

  • Anonymous

    David has been making these things since he was very young. He has been in trouble with the law for this before. He is certainly not “experimenting” and how could anyone say it’s harmless? Come talk to me when your house or car get damaged or God forbid, your child walks past that house as one of these things explode.

  • Dana

    It makes me just so happy that this is happening across the street from me and my family. I don’t care that they are still technically children…they should know right from wrong, and this is WRONG!! And yes, they have been living here only 2 weeks! Scares me to think of what other B.S. they are going to pull!

    • Nichole Seni

      It’s going to be an interesting summer Dana.. that’s for sure

  • Kelvin Gray

    I’m sure these fellas will be dealt with swiftly & justly. You just wait and see. Playing with bomb making material is no joke. With what has been happening with bombings in the past few years I hope that the justice system takes this seriously. Because bombs aren’t a joke.

  • Just saying

    Keith i mean Bob Sweatt i’m at a loss for words!!! Please tell me your only your really a young teenager or something because a grown up would not have put a dumb comment like that on here. So you would rather your kid be outside playing with chemicals rather than play video games? i never heard of video games exploding or getting severe burns or going blind i never seen warning signs on video games saying harmful if swallowed or do not come in contact with skin!!!! Like i said Mr. Sweatt i hope your comment wasn’t serious because if so that has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever heard a supposedly grown man say.

    • Bob Sweatt

      I never said it was the smartest thing to do. But at least they aren’t vegging out in front of a gaming console or tv.

      This kid isn’t the brightest bulb. But at least he is doing something. We all complain about kids not being outside using their imaginations. But when a kid is doing that we crucify him for it. Not saying what he did was right. But at least they aren’t sitting inside.

      And again. I don’t take your comment serious enough. If you want to insult me. Please use your real name don’t hide behind a screen name.

      • Just saying

        No insult at all read the name i’m just saying and whats does putting my real name up gone do i mean if i do that your gone come find me and beat me up or something? Calm down sir it’s not that serious believe me i don’t hide. But if you took that as an insult i apologize…….

        • Bob Sweatt

          *rolls eyes* Yeah I want to find you and beat the crap out of you for insulting me. Get real.

          I am just man enough to use my real name when I insult someone. I don’t hide behind a fake name.

          Anyone wants to come find me. By all means do so. But I can tell you this, you won’t like what you find or what’s aimed at you. I met a lot of SPECIAL people while in the armed FORCES who are now my very good FRIENDS. And they will do anything to protect me and my family.

          • Just saying

            wow lol i just apologized and your still flipping out ok sir i’m officially terrified now by the whole armed forces thing i’m just gone leave you and your armed force buddies to it good day Mr. Sweatt…..

          • Bob Sweatt

            It’s to bad we can’t convey our intent through these comments. I didn’t mean you. I was just saying I have no fear using my real name. it was nothing towards you.

            You are one of the smarter people who comment on these stories. I enjoy a lot of what you write. I have no ill-will towards you. My apologizes if it came off that way.

          • Just saying

            No problem i understand about it coming off the wrong way…..

          • Zen Grouch

            Bob, you’re coming off like someone who uses his real name, and that’s OK, because you’re a tough guy and if someone takes you out, there are plenty of others to revenge your death!

            I’ll tell ya’ what, I think my testicles went back up into my abdominal cavity reading those testosterone fueled posts!

            Pretty dramatic stuff using your own name!

            Good for you and your legion of brother warriors!

            But for what it’s worth, I agree with ya’ on it being a good thing for kids to experiment with explosives, as long as they learn something good… even if they do have to spend a few hours in the E.R…

            Home made fireworks are the best!

  • Mike Litoris

    Lets just call it illegal to stage a “Violent Exothermic Reaction”.

    Fair enough?