April 18, 2014

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North Ridgeville firefighter disciplined for working another job while ‘sick’

NORTH RIDGEVILLE — A city firefighter accused of working a part-time job for another fire department on days he called off sick in North Ridgeville will serve 10 24-hour unpaid suspensions. The sick time he used will be deducted from his vacation days.

Arbitrator Harry Graham issued the decision this week against Ralph Conte, an eight-year veteran of the North Ridgeville Fire Department. The suspensions will be served once a month until they are completed, according to the decision.

Fire Chief John Reese said the discipline is “the severest suspension we’ve ever had in the Fire Department, short of termination.”

In addition, the six eight-hour periods of time he called in sick so he could work as a part-time firefighter for the Valley View Fire Department in Cuyahoga County will be restored to his sick time bank and deducted from his vacation account.

“He was made to substitute sick days with vacation days,” Reese said.

Conte was represented by Michael Piotrowski, a Columbus-area attorney who represents the Columbus Fraternal Order of Police. He did not return calls Thursday.

The case came to light in July 2013 after an investigation by North Ridgeville police. The probe began when fire officials learned Conte was working in Valley View — and that he possibly was doing so on days he called in sick.

Piotrowski said last summer the accusations against Conte were “a simple mistake on his part” rather than any deliberate wrongdoing, and that Conte had repaid the city for time he worked in Valley View, which amounted to less than $500.

Conte worked the side job while on extended leaves when two of his four children were born, and used personal, vacation or comp time to do so, Piotrowski said.

Graham stepped in after Conte filed a grievance, and he urged the two sides to come to an agreement after hearing from both, Reese said.

The arbitration ruling also stipulated that Conte could lose his job for any findings of “gross misconduct” between now and Jan. 1, 2016.

Conte is allowed to continue working for Valley View, and he can do so while serving suspension days.

“If he’s not working here and we’re not paying him, I can’t really tell him what to do,” Reese said. “That’s his own time.”

Another provision of the agreement calls for Conte to be offered future overtime to make up for overtime opportunities he was prevented from taking while the case was under investigation, Reese said.

The incident was the first disciplinary incident involving Conte.

“I’m sure he’ll put it behind him and be fine,” Conte said.

Contact Steve Fogarty at 329-7146 or sfogarty@chroniclet.com.

  • Michael

    “a simple mistake on his part” rather than any deliberate wrongdoing.

    You know your on sick time, and you purposely work. A simple mistake? Wow, nice council determination. He CHOSE and did it, knowing full well…

  • GreatRedeemer

    So he substitutes sick days for vacation days , one day per
    month and gets overtime opportunities. This in the same city where you drag
    some mud off your truck on the street it costs a $1000 fine. WOW

  • bigmacky

    and this is more prevalent than most people think

  • Larry Crnobrnja

    Caught stealing and he gets away with it because he’s in a union.

    • Michael King

      Wah…….

      • Zen Grouch

        Time to let your sphincter take over and do some of that fancy word droppin’, cuz you’re running on empty, son.

        • Mike King

          You call it a sphincter, I call it a Zen

          • Zen Grouch

            …a rose by any other name.

            So, your a** hole not only spells and composes complete sentences, you talk to it and gave it little names?

            **Q: What’s round on both sides and brown in the middle?
            A: Michael King’s bestest and smartest friend in the ‘hole’ world!**

          • Zen Douche

            Pans you’re an effin douche. A waste of cyber space, and an m-bare-ass-ment to Lorain. Does the public washroom you stalk have free internet?
            Again – you’re an a-hole.
            BTW nice stalking on the perv teacher story.

      • Govt_Worker

        Mike is correct. Stop crying this is something we all do. We need these days, I mean if you have a serious hangover or have another job that is more important what else are we supposed to do?

    • Michael A. Figueroa

      Being suspended and having the money deducted from his vacation time is getting away with it? Ok.

      • Larry Crnobrnja

        He was caught stealing and his punishment was NOTHING. The penalty for stealing should be forfeiture of his job and any retirement benefits.

        • Mike King

          Loss of pay for one month is nothing? Do you have to work for a living, or are you independently wealthy?

          • Zen Grouch

            How tough can a job be that gives you a bed and nappie time?

          • Destroyer of Siva

            You’ll have to get a job to find out

          • Zen Grouch

            I’ll bet you’ve had a lot of “jobs” that included a bed… :o

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            I work and pay taxes and take offense when people steal tax dollars.

          • Zen Grouch

            But Larry… they’re -HEROES-, no… gods who walk among men, protected by the unions.

            If they want to steal, that’s OK… it’s in their contract.

          • Zen Douche

            You worked in a tertiary industry giving orders and producing nothing from your own labour. Now as a semi-retired bitter mid-50′s WalMart Greeter you are a MAN! Mom would be so proud of the immigrant she pushed out.

    • Larry Chrnobyl

      Zen me boy, about Larry Crnobrnja…
      You required a little paring down to truly state these are facts.
      Here is the whole truth:

      - 4 year “bachelor of lego” degree from Toledo, ’76-80

      - jobs held for an average of 1.862 years after age of 44
      - let go/contracts not renewed due to negligence, suspicion of corruption and/or failure to complete the duties of his job
      Union angry as a result of incompetance at his former jobs; and, as a result of his failures, life angry.
      Only contribution in life? NONE!
      Started as garbage, now lower than garbage, will probably die amongst the garbage.

      Work history (all tertiary, nothing useful contributed to society – the trend continues) was correct:

      Plant Manager at Proper Polymers(2011/2012 – employed 1 year)
      Plant Manager at Key Plastics – employed 1 year
      Operations Manager at Visteon – employed 2 yrs
      Plant Superintendent at IAC Group – employed 2 yrs
      Operations Manager at SPSP – employed 1 yr
      Department Manager – Rolling at Republic Engineered Products – employed 2 years
      Department Manager – Continuous Casting at USS/Kobe Steel Company
      Maintenance Manager at United States Steel Corporation

      Let’s hate Larry for what he is, no need to amend the tragedy that WAS his life.

      • ekwaykway

        I know Larry and you summed up his life pretty well. Just curious as to why his comments brought on such a savage attack?

        • jz

          Hey ekwaykway. Look at Zen Douche. That’s Larry. We talking Cybil here?

          • ekwaykway

            Hmm…I would say yes. To be honest I don’t pay much attention to screen names or avatars. This whole game of switching names is lost on me. But I would never use my real name. If anyone can figure out where I got my screen name, I’ll give them a prize!

      • Govt_Worker

        I don’t see why people are so upset at us. Most of us never attended college, to be honest a lot of us are lucky to have graduated from high school. We don’t need any of that garbage. We have the union and the sheeple that keep voting for tax increases to pay our salaries. Thanks sheeple.

  • Zen Grouch

    This is the kind of guy *I* want rummaging through my valuables unattended with those huge fireman pockets, when I’m at my most vulnerable!

    • Mike King

      And why would he do that?

      • Zen Grouch

        To supplement his income… for the thrill of stealing… on a dare…

        You know, the usual reasons people steal things.

        • Mike King

          Wow. I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and defecate a better argument than that.

          • Zen Grouch

            I’m happy for you and your talented a** hole!

            **If I were you, I wouldn’t be too quick to tell people where your brain is.**

          • Mike King

            Says the tool that doesn’t have one

          • Zen Grouch

            If you can’t think up better comebacks, I’m gonna stop wasting time on your ignorant posts.

            **I know you are… but what am I?
            I know you are… but what am I?
            I know you are… but what am I?…**

          • Zen Douche

            Says the king of witty comebacks…

    • Zen Douche

      Your valuables? How much did that dildo cost?

    • Larry Chrnobyl

      I think it’s obvious you want guys rummaging through your junk (if’n you know what I mean!) Is “huge pockets” also a euphemism? In your case I doubt they have to be huge.
      The part about subjugating yourself “at my most vulnerable” just completes the picture. Any psychologist worth a nickel can see the repressed homoerotic fantasies trying to be free.
      Give in Chia-head, give in!

      • Zen Grouch

        **Any psychologist worth a nickel can see the repressed homoerotic fantasies trying to be free.**

        Sounds like your field of expertise…

        …well, that and multiple personalities, and by “field of expertise” I mean waking nightmare.

  • stop ur whining part deux

    Should have been fired. Any non union employee would have been terminated. Three cheers for unions and their continuing rape of America!

    This is why people hate the FIre Dept. Most dept’s have done things like this for years. They also are crafty at switching shifts with other guys so the can maximize OT. Go rescue a kitten in a tree scumbags.

    • Mike King

      Thanks for your uninformed input, Richard Cranium

      • Zen Grouch

        I’ll bet you want to be a fireman when you grow up!

        • Mike King

          Says the jealous coudn’t make it

        • Zen Douche

          I bet you want to grow up.
          You look like a Chia pet with glasses.
          Said your boyfriend … “Pans’ are the whitest teeth I’ve ever come across”
          You are so stupid it lowers your country’s IQ the same amount your weight raises it.
          Also, Obama rules, Republicans are fecal matter.
          Read your history too…
          Stalked by any formerlorainresident lately Mr Paranoid?
          Maybe it’s me again! Bwa ha ha!

      • stop ur whining part deux

        Exactly what part is uninformed? This guy was stealing, plain and simple. We teach our children it is wrong, but it is ok as long as you are in a union. Any non-union employee does this, they are fired and rightfully so.

        Or was the uninformed part how most fire depts do things like this for years? Look at how often EFD is over budget and look how much goes to over time. Then search the chronicles web site and you can raed all about it… Guys switching shifts to stay on an extra day and get time and a half at minimum. Grace tried to stop it and the firefighters raised hell.

        Fact is sport, there is not a bit of my post that is uninformed.

    • Michael A. Figueroa

      Yet another jealous union-hater. Probably typed this before heading-out to his sub-par wage job with lousy benefits.

      • Zen Douche

        Rather than be treated as people they want to drag others down to their lives of subjugation. The wealthy and the media barons have found another sheep.
        Pans don’t have no job. Lives in mommy’s basement in crime ridden section of Lorain, fearing to go outside.
        Hence the plentiful self-righteous comments from a know nothing waste of the Earth’s food supply.

        • Larry Chrnobyl

          How do you know this? I checked your IP and it says Finland? Are you a former resident of Lorain?

        • stop ur whining part deux

          Have a great job and want for nothing. Educated myself and have never taken a hand out. Everything I have, I earned and i would want it no other way. I run a company, get raises based on performance, not because it is a new calendar year.

          Unions destroy jobs. They keep under educated and garbage at wages that exceed their level of intelligence. It protects them for getting fired, once you are in, you are in for life. Show up to work drunk, they send you to rehab, steal they make you give it back. Look at Matt Jurco, city employee, stoned while driving a city vehicle, while on the clock. Was not fired. What if he hit your kid, your wife? How would you feel knowing that it was not his first offense?

          Look at your jobs leaving the US. Why do you think they left? They took off because the cost of the products they made were driving them out of business. Look at Hostess. The union was told, make cuts or we are bankrupt. The union refused and guess what happened? They cuts they needed to make? Instead of two deliveries, one snacks and one doughnuts, both needed to be consolidated into one delivery. Union WOULD NOT HEAR IT. Imagine that, two different drivers going to the same store.

          • Tommy Peel

            You are very misinformed when concerning the Hostess situation. The company was mismanaged.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            and also bankrupted by the unions.

          • Tommy Peel

            EXAMPLE OF A NON-UNION JOB:
            Henry has worked at a place for 22 years, he needs next friday off to take care of some very important personal business (his wife is having surgery), he asks his boss for the day off, his boss tells him no. Henry takes the day off. He gets a call at home the same day, the company tells him he is fired.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Go to work, simple. Heck NFL football players have missed births of children and surgeries for wives for work. Its called work.

            Secondly, never have i worked anywhere where you are not permitted time off for emergencies and i have NEVER worked for a union. Started working at 15 and have had numerous jobs and NONE would not permit me to miss time provided i had a good excuse.

            The only way your are not is if you have been a substandard employee. Quit grandstanding.

          • Destroyer of Siva

            Tommy, read his job history – a company goon and puppet of the rich hoping for crumbs from the table tossed away at every opportunity himself but coming back for more like a stupid beaten dog.

          • Tommy Peel

            Yes.I don’t understand how a person could continually kiss up to the boss and think that its normal.

          • Destroyer of Siva

            Where I teach (Cz Rep) they wait for workers like that outside – no joke.

            Sorry this is now the end of my classes’ project and thank you all for being good sports (for the most part)
            I would have to say on a personal level I aligned most with your opinions.
            My TA Jan was the one having a field day with Zen Grouch. I’d say I’m sorry but that would be an untruth, though I do feel a twinge of guilt about awakening something from his past better left dormant.
            As I said to Larry, we are sending a money order to a Lorain food shelter to atone for our sins ;-)

          • Tommy Peel

            Example of non-union job:
            Dave has worked the night shift for 10 yrs. he wants so bad to work days. He asks his boss if he can work the day shift. His boss tell him that Bill will be retiring in 6months and he can go on days. Bill retires, and they put Bob, who has only been working there 5months on days. Dave complains to his boss who tells him that Bob is the big boss’s neighbor. Dave tells his boss that it isn’t fair. His boss tells him “if you don’t like it then punch out and go home” His boss tells him that if you want “fair” then go and get yourself a ‘union job’.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Where do you come up with such nonsense?

      • stop ur whining part deux

        I actually make a great living and want for nothing and unlike a union employee I earned it, it wasn’t handed to me. An annual raise for nothing, no thanks, i earn what i am worth. Get protected for stealing, no thanks, im not a crook. You do realize this scum bag firefighter was stealing. So he just taught every young kid out there that stealing is wrong, unless you are in a union.

        • Tommy Peel

          EXAMPLE OF NON-UNION PLANT:
          Jan has worked for a company for 3 yrs. She has never had a vacation. She asks her boss if she is eligible for a vacation. He tells her he will get back to her. On Friday when she picks up her check, the boss tells her that her job has been eliminated and she shouldn’t bother to come to work anymore.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Put down the crack pipe and climb out of your mother’s basement.

          • Destroyer of Siva

            Think you meant that one for Zen Grouch

          • Tommy Peel

            Get off of your knees. the boss is married.

  • Zen Grouch

    Is it too late to bypass the union protection and just charge this joker with theft in office and malfeasance?

    • Mike King

      Settle down, little miss

      • Zen Grouch

        I simply asked a question…

        You seem to be the one with the knotted panties, Sweet Pea.

        • Mike King

          Yes, you did ask a question, albiet a stupid one.

          • Zen Grouch

            And here you are, unable to slam two brain cells together to do -that- much!

            **happy hunting dumb f***!**

          • Mike King

            Careful now, don’t let your brains go to your head!

          • Zen Grouch

            Actually, that’s where I keep my brain.

            You might want to try it.

          • Larry Chrnobyl

            Sir you have demonstrated in your repetitious posting that you possess not a brain. Keep up the good work, you’re doing Lorain and America proud!

            Douche

          • Zen Douche

            “Zen Grouch

            Mike King

            a day ago

            I simply asked a question…”
            I think he meant “I, a simpleton, asked a question”

    • Zen Douche

      Improper use of malfeasance. Look up the full definition jerk-off. Bush was guilty of Malfeasance, you are guilty of being “mal” feces.

      • Larry Chrnobyl

        ROFL

  • Ann

    He’ll run into flames in order to save any of us. Let’s not be too fast to judge. But let’s do say thank you.

    • Larry Crnobrnja

      That gives him the right to steal? Are you serious?

      • Zen Douche

        Yeah Larry, if he saves my life. Taking advantage of his sick days by working a second job and risking your life at both… Gosh what a bad man. And you Larry, you do what for a kiving (other than bottom feeding?)

        • Larry Crnobrnja

          Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I believe yours exemplifies poor reasoning skills.

          • Zen Douche

            Said the pot…Notice you didn’t answer my question. Still trying to think of something better than McDonalds dishwasher or WalMart Greeter?
            And no, you’re not entitled to an opinion – that belongs to the realm of humans.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Let me know when you buy the courage to post under your given name.

            The man got caught trying to double-dip. He is nothing more than a common thief.

          • Zen Douche

            And again I repeat, you’re job is … ? Oh never mind, I see you’re a retired 55 year old nobody who was a “boss” at a polymer factory in Anderson, SC.
            My name is Bjorne Avella, and I live in Hamar (Hedmark Norway). I like my Avatar as do 99% of the people on this site, it keeps morons like you from making fun but if it makes me a man, there it is.

            And you’re still a loud mouth know-nothing who gave up manhood 20 years ago.

          • Zen Douche

            I notice you’re such a man you keep your 2,184 comments (Disqus alone!) private. No need, I have spelled out your life at the top of the post using information freely available and verifiable on the internet. Now what you self-righteous Loud Mouth?

          • Zen Douche

            All quiet on the moron front I see… Didn’t expect someone to Google your pathetic existence did you? It’s people like you and Zen Grouch in your country that make people in our country hate your country. PS Good Olympic Hockey showing. HaHaHa!!!

  • scott allen

    a man doing all he can to earn money for his family and would risk his life to save a strangers. All your negative comments leave me puzzled as to what you all do for your own families. Or do you all just rely on hand outs. this did not cost the city any extra money as he would have used these days of paid leave regardless. What he chose to do with his time is on him, much like the final judgment.

    • Michael A. Figueroa

      It’s abuse of sick time, plain and simple.

      • Larry Crnobrnja

        Which is stealing from taxpayers.

      • Larry Chrnobyl

        Only thing plain and simple here is Larry Crnobrnja.
        What the f*ck kind of name is that anyway?

    • Larry Crnobrnja

      He stole from the taxpayers.

      • Mike King

        Yeah, we got that the first time, Mr. Perfect. He got caught.

        • Zen Grouch

          Yeah, we caught that, but you seem to be defending his thieving ways.

          **I guess there really is “honor” among thieves.**

          • Mike King

            How is that defending him, genius? Larry Crapninja makes it seem like he got away with it. Calling you stupid would be an insult to stupid people.

          • Zen Grouch

            The guy’s a thief and should be criminally charged as such.

            Yeah, the guy got off Scott Free, ya’ defender of thieves.

            **It isn’t stealing if they believe their s*** got burned up!**

          • Zen Douche

            I believe that’s implied slander, when combined with your other statements, of the Fire Dept. Hope your house catches on fire tonight, then the comment page won’t be filled with such a$$inine hate from a pathetic loser.

          • Larry Chrnobyl

            i guess there are ***douchebags in America***

  • stillsleepyeyes

    sounds like burge was the arbitrator,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  • John Q. Taxpayer

    What fireman doesn’t work 2 jobs. They take work away from the skilled trades
    because they can lowball the contractor who has overhead to pay. And when they get hurt on their side job they claim disability on their tax paid job.

    • Mike King

      Yeah, let’s feel bad for the poor contractor that builds the shoddy structure that structurally fails after five minutes of fire, as he pays his/her “overhead”(Translation: I hire illegal aliens so I can pay them next to nothing).

      • John Q. Taxpayer

        firemen shingled a house I worked on, leaked after the first rain,
        and nowhere to be found to fix problem. Had to fix the problem and charge the homeowner for my time.(Translation: Not all legal firemen stand behind their work)

        • Mike King

          As do most contractors

    • Zen Douche

      You lack the creativity to make your own made up universe you inhabit a positive place. Related to Zen Grouch or Larry Pollak?

  • John Boy

    It was a simple mistake who hasn’t called in sick to work another job. I’m positive have done that a total of ZERO times. This is just another reason why government employee benefits need to be curbed to be more in line with the rest of the workers in the US.

    • Zen Douche

      You mean take benefits from all to match your McDonalds wage because a guy was caught working a sick day. Never phoned in sick when you were weren’t. Bullshi+

      • John Boy

        You can call whatever you want. Of course you have no idea what you speak of, but your posts prove that anyway. Your defending of this abuse just proves that government unions need to be overhauled. Keep pulling this type of nonsense and you will end up like the Detroit city workers who are getting pennies on the dollar for their retirement, but keep letting that Union brotherhood get in the way common sense.

        • Larry Chrnobyl

          Can’t you read, he lives in Nordica (Finland if you trace his IP!). And I fully agree with him/her that you seem to hope for common ground in mediocrity. The “don’t make waves attitude” makes America what it is today. A bunch of weasel turds like you. Shame on the sycophants to big business like you.
          And your mothers dress you funny…

  • told you so

    Scott allen who do u work 4??NRFD

  • Zen Douche

    Larry Crnobrnja’s Qualifications for knocking firemen:

    4 year mechanical eng “degree” from Toledo and a series of jobs dating back to his mid-40′s which he held for an average of 2 years or less. Let go/contracts not renewed for gross incompetence, now hiding in Lorain.
    Union angry, life angry. Only contribution in life? Telling others why they’re doing their jobs wrong but not offering anything constructive,

    Started as a garbage boss, ended as garbage.

    Plant Manager at Proper Polymers(2011/2012 – employed 1 year)
    Plant Manager at Key Plastics – employed 1 year
    Operations Manager at Visteon – employed 2 yrs
    Plant Superintendent at IAC Group – employed 2 yrs
    Operations Manager at SPSP – employed 1 yr
    Department Manager – Rolling at Republic Engineered Products – employed 2 years
    Department Manager – Continuous Casting at USS/Kobe Steel Company
    Maintenance Manager at United States Steel Corporation

    Yes Larry what a man you are!

    • ekwaykway

      Lmao, great post!

  • Bonnie Pickett

    Most of the comments on this page have little to do with the article but seem more like comments 12 year old boys would make. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you don’t agree, that’s fine but no reason to make personal attacks on other people, The person who broke the law didn’t get as much hate as the people that commented on this article.

    • golfingirl

      Bonnie….I agree. This is why I generally reserve my comments to the sports page.

      At least there, we can agree to disagree and often a game is played to decide the winner.

      Even the Browns fans vs. the Steeler fans are more civil!

      Back to the Sports page.

      • golfingirl

        Also, it is obvious that Mike King = Zen Douche = Larry Chrnobyl.

        Same person, same hatred, same tired classless remarks.

        Not really sure why people even respond to persons like this.

        Okay, now I am out of here. Go Tribe!!

        • Destroyer of Siva

          Mike King was not one of us, just for the record.

    • Lorain-Log On

      Bonnie I too so agree.

      I want to say I’m using an alias because I
      know Larry, and if you know Larry I’m guessing his (I’m so sorry Larry)
      2200 or so ‘dogmatic opinions’ posted on Disqus may tend to the acerbic and, um, … forthright at times.

      What
      I really dislike lately (and I’m no deb at a ball) in the Chronicle’s
      comment section is the ABSOLUTE FILTH from Zen Grouch/Zen Douche and
      whatever other sock-puppets are out there. Yes to golfingirl the other
      Larry is probably ‘Zen D’, but I think most of the others are real and
      just feeding off of the reeking carcass.No contributory value or
      productive argument in their comments, just obscenities and name
      calling. It seems Zen Grouch had some homosexual-union-stalking incident
      in his past and the other person for whatever reason has chosen to
      dredge it up on the CT over the course of this past week for the average
      readers’ decency to be offended.

      I would appreciate signed ( ie
      NOT guest)”UP” votes if you agree, and of course in the name of
      democracy down votes – for which you must be signed in – if you disagree.

      I’m sure there is decency still in Ohio! Lorain log on and prove me right!!!

      • Joe Smith

        Funny you agree to a post about no personal attacks by personally attacking people and just so you know, the recent homosexual rants that Zen Grouch supposedly posted were someone imposting him if you would have noticed those posts had a _ in between Zen and Grouch as in Zen_Grouch not Zen Grouch as normal and those posts were removed by the Chronicle after I pointed it out to them. Don’t get me wrong he posts some twisted stuff ( which is why I like him ha!) but the overboard homosexual stuff pretty recently was not him.

        • Lorain-Log On

          Sorry Joe but there are NO personal attacks in my comment. A personal attack is one without merit designed to debase without reason.
          Just observations as to the reasons things have been so “spicy”. That’s not a personal attack on Larry – I love the guy – and the other bit is just as I say observational but more of an appeal. Thank you for clearing up the confusion Zen(s?) and my apologies if I offended. But the language here is too much.
          And I see by reviewing that yes Zen Grouch was less the perpetrator and more the victim. Still…
          I still say the moderator needs to curb the use of swearing even when substitute letters and symbols are used. Let’s take the comments pages back. Please. My grandchildren recently had a research paper in school were the CT was used as part of the media. Kids aren’t dummies, and they need just a little bit of protection and safe-haven in this world.

          • Joe Smith

            Sorry yourself Lorain, where did you get the definition that a personal attack is one without merit?

            Personal-relating to an individual or an individual’s character, conduct, motives, or private affairs often in an offensive manner.

            Attack-to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon.

            I don’t see the words without merit anywhere.

            And if you are against free speech, guide your grandkids to a place where you feel comfortable with the posts, I agree kids need a bit of protection and a safe haven which is the job of the parents, don’t expect someone else do the job that a parent is supposed to do.

            The CT also has a printed paper that that can be read without the comments. Maybe you and your grandkids would be more comfortable with the printed version.

          • Lorain-Log On

            So we should avoid the freely open newspaper due to the vulgarity of others. I think the moderator of the CT shouldn’t be allowing it in the first place. If you want to swear, go to a bar you F@cking A$$wipe.

            Christ you Americans are stupid.

          • Joe Smith

            Gee…..was that a personal attack hypocrite?

            Its not free speech when you are imposting someone, is it free speech where you come from to take the identity of someone? I pointed out a impostor who could get someone banned when it wasn’t them posting, the Chronicle are the ones who decided to remove the posts.

            hyp·o·crite

            noun ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit

            : a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs.

            Now go re-read your posts and see if it doesn’t fit genius.

            If you don’t like free speech go read a Russian Newspaper.

            Why don’t you show your grand kids your intelligent responses Mr Lorain? LOL it funny when a person who can’t come up with an intelligent response resorts to name calling like that, what a joke.

            And for me being anon, is Lorain-log on your real name? Hypocrite post number two!

            I can just picture you sitting there all shrill gnashing your teeth HA!

            Let see if you come up with another IQ filled response! Say hi to the grand kids for me

          • Destroyer of Siva

            See reply to Larry below

          • Joe Smith

            Nice intelligent response , good luck to you.

            PS, I tell you what, I will match your $50 because of your class, tell the kids you just doubled your donation

          • hereforfun2

            Joe, you flunked even as their Lab Rat!

          • Joe Smith

            The lab rat thing was already exposed, it was to show what a hypocrite he was with his thinking that someone should monitor this website so he wouldn’t have to keep an eye on the kids.

          • Lorain-Log On

            I see that many of you in America are against free speech despite your words to the contrary above.

            Joe Smith: ” those posts were removed by the Chronicle after I pointed it out to them”
            Joe Smith one post later: “And if you are against free speech, guide your grandkids to a place
            where you feel comfortable with the posts, … don’t
            expect someone else do the job”

            That’s called being a HYPOCRITE fackturd. Care to quote that definition?

            Yeah, ok… comfortable in your anonymity. Big man with a tiny brain pan. Can’t even be consistent with his Constitutional values one post to the next.

          • beety

            So… double d!ckin in the chip dip… isn’t a vulgar attack? AND it’s also acceptable language? Huh fackturd?

      • Zen Grouch

        Sorry for offending you, but when God hands me a huge pile of lemons, in the form of a psychopathic, closeted homosexual, I GOTS to make lemonade!

        But I see your point…

        If the nut job who originally showed his illness here under the name of formerlorainresident, who has since taken on many other monikers, in order to vandalize this place and teach me the meaning of the word respect, doesn’t vanish of his own accord, or have his IP banned by Disquis, then I’ll take another break from here and let things cool down.

        In the mean time, you might want to skip past the posts that have a photo of my goofy mug before ‘em…

        • Lorain-Log On

          Thank you for clearing that up boys. And thanks Zen for your consideration :)

        • Bill

          Damn Zen. You know you’re loved when idiots make up multiple accounts mocking you. Disquis does need to obtain the IP address and ban them. Kinda reminds me of the end of the old CT forum.

          • Lorain-Log On

            A real American armchair maverick. The lot of you. Bonnie was the only descent person here.

          • Bill

            ? ?

          • hereforfun2

            Bill, please post a double question mark if you are bisexual, one if homosexual or a single exclamation mark if straight (it’s our code)

          • Zen Grouch

            I done hit that sucker’s *Crazy* button for sure…

            Even have that effect on people in real life when I’m not even trying. Few weeks ago a sweet little old lady at a party yelled some obscenities at me then made noise about leaving if someone didn’t kick me out first.

          • Lorain-Log On

            Shouldn’t have been double-d1ck1ng in the chip dip.

          • Destroyer of Siva

            And you didn’t in any way do anything wrong… What a world you and Joe Smith inhabit. Now let’s see the witty comeback (or will it be an illogical rant laced with obscenities.. hmmm)

          • Zen Grouch

            B**w Me!

          • Destroyer of Siva

            We have a Weiner!

          • Zen Grouch

            Yeah, I thought that might excite you…

            …ya’ psychotic, closeted homosexual!

          • Destroyer of Siva

            Dear Zen, please see reply to Larry, below.

          • Zen Grouch

            Yeah…

            I’ll get right on that…

          • hereforfun2

            how was it?

          • golfingirl

            Call me a “dumb” blonde, but I hope you took note of the above exchange.

            One man accuses another of being a psychotic homosexual, but only after asking him to provide sexual gratification to him.

            So if one man ask another man to perform a sexual act on him, why would he then call the very man he asked to perform this favor a homosexual?

            Very confusing.

          • HereForFun

            Only one “confused” is Zen Grouch, LOL. 1 in 7 are gay buddy. Got 6 friends?

          • hereforfun2

            To Zen Grouch:

            Would you like to borrow my big black 12″ rubber dildo? You can stick it to the floor while you pleasure yourself.

            Please reply if this sounds good to you!

          • golfingirl

            If this experiment is a psychology class, I do have a question.

            When a person consistently reverts to calling others the same derogatory term, does this mean they possess this characteristic in some latent form, or is it because they have some hatred for this type of person.

            Using the above example of referring to others as being gay. Does this imply they themselves are, or would like to be gay, or is it because they really hate gay people?

            Just curious what motivates this type of behavior from a psychological perspective, when these comments come out of the blue, and are not based on any evidence or fact. Especially when they are used over and over again by the same person, and directed toward multiple people.

            Again, no names mentioned here. Just a general question.

          • Fred Geffen

            Hi golfingirl, my name is Fred and I am the student from Oslo.

            Current research can be synopsized in the study published in the April 2012 issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology which draws the following general conclusions (recounted in Scientific American 2012):

            Homophobes should consider a little self-reflection, suggests a new study finding those individuals who are most hostile toward gays and hold strong anti-gay views may themselves have same-sex desires, albeit undercover ones.
            The prejudice of homophobia may also stem from authoritarian parents, particularly those with homophobic views as well, the researchers added.

            “This study shows that if you are feeling that kind of visceral reaction to an out-group, ask yourself, ‘Why?’” co-author Richard Ryan, a professor of psychology at the University of Rochester, said in a statement. “Those intense emotions should serve as a call to self-reflection.”

            As a homosexual myself, it was very difficult for me to follow my assignment person(s) and I am one who went too far. Yes, I know who you mean but I am above retaliation at this point in life. That user should know what is capable for computer saavy “homos” to do to him though.

            Stop the hate. Thank you for asking.

      • Larry Crnobrnja

        Dogmatic and acerbic? Absolutely.

        To the point and factual. I’ve yet to have anyone prove me wrong.

        • Lorain-Log On

          Again sorry Larry. Love ya’ big guy.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Mikey?

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Mikey?

          • Lorain-Log On

            No, sorry. This was a school project on internet safety. Very eye-opening.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Well, I hope I was helpful. Even if I was helpful as a bad example. LOL

            One piece of advice for your class (my assumption); never say anything on the internet you wouldn’t say in public. If you follow that rule, you shouldn’t need to hide who you are. I think the elimination of anonymity on the net would do wonders to bring civility to it.

            Dogmatic and acerbic; I love it!

          • Destroyer of Siva

            Yes thank you Larry. You and a gentleman named Bob Sweatt (? – paper’s on my other computer) handled yourselves well. A lady named Bonnie was very nice too.
            Sorry to have to show the kids the bad examples – no need for me to list them. It is stunning how much personal information is available and how much we give out when we think we are anonymous. Your paper was chosen as one of the headlines was a link from our Google news feed. We are disappointed in the Chronicle as a method of free speech however in that they deleted several of the comments on one side only. That has actually ended up as a secondary focus for the kids, not my doing…
            As you say, no need to hide when it’s something you’d be comfortable saying in front of your mom or a school gym full of parents.
            Apologies to the readership for one of my TA’s who got a little overzealous.His assignment was ZenGrouch and what a gold mine there ;-)
            I don’t necessarily agree with your opinions but they are for the most well-stated – you kind of remind me of the way my grandfather (a farmer) used to speak. Never a dull moment with that man, especially playing cribbage!
            Thank you for being such a good sport and thank you Lorain, Ohio. Our class raised about $50 US which we are sending to the food bank:
            Lorain Cooperative Ministry

            4018 Hawthorne Ave

            Sheffield Lake, OH – 44054
            to atone for our sins.

            And for the record my name is Iain Murray and I am the ICT teacher and school data manager at the Prague British School in the Czech Republic.

          • ekwaykway

            Hey, Im one of those kids who posts things I would never say in gym class. The beauty of posting on the internet is you can always be right. If someone dis agrees with you just tell them off, call names or ignore them. Who cares?

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            I’m not ready to buy your story. It seems to me a teacher who shows his/her students how not to act on the internet by acting that way is similar to teaching children not to torture pets by torturing pets.

            If you are who you say (probably aren’t), you need to censure yourself.

          • Destroyer of Siva

            Au contraire Larry, and your analogy is spurious on several levels. The
            animals are not hurting themselves to begin with nor do they choose to
            be party with wilful conscience to their treatment, as everyone here
            has done. The students and TAs worked closely (95% of the time) and were
            warned that no one was to exceed the level of abuse not already offered
            by that person – including in posts prior to our involvement. A target
            group was selected based on habits of posting in groups and sensitive
            issues such as politics, unions and homosexuality. I’m afraid it is as
            golfingirl said. It was Linkd for you Larry and took less than 60
            seconds. Last week another commentor became so explicit with his
            information that we chose to create an avatar to warn him, although it
            altered the experiment.
            I’m not sure why you would feel the need for
            us to reprimand ourselves. It is the ‘Monsters of Maple Street’ that
            need to answer to that calling, if there is insistence put upon it; and,
            as I said previously, a surprising area the students branched into of
            their own accord was the censorship decisions made by the Fifth Estate.
            If you feel a need to censure, I would humbly suggest you censure
            yourselves (the saying “clean up your own backyard comes to mind).

            As
            to any further doubts as to the veracity of our venture, our IP
            addresses can easily be verified as to the region of the Cz Rep in which
            we are based although two assignments were performed from near Milan
            and another one from an area near Lillehammer. Individual assignments
            are due the week of March 10th, and the top paper is to be published in a
            local ‘Journal’.

            Other than that Larry, you will take from this
            whatever your ego fashions for the satisfaction of your id: you will
            believe whatever allows your world view to retain its structure.

            One aspect you surely have right though is that the topic of research was not Internet Safety, but as a corollary it’s close enough so as not to insult the group further – the experiment is over … or is it? (Sorry, couldn’t help myself)

            Personal kudos to golfingirl, you are obviously educated at a post-secondary level ;-)

            Sadly, as I write this I see you are still being abused.

            Physicians heal thine selves…

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            “…and were warned that no one was to exceed the level of abuse not already offered by that person – including in posts prior to our involvement.”

            Interesting. So you felt it was appropriate to attack my work history with untrue comments (negligence, suspicion of corruption and/or failure to complete the duties of his job)? What kind of class do you claim to instruct?

            By the way, I’m not semi-retired. I work full time at a job you posted about, claiming I only worked there for 1 year. Apparently your research isn’t as sound as you might have thought.

            I’ve been approached about an opportunity in Novy Jicin and Rychvald. If you’re an example of the folk from that part, you’ve helped with my decision.

            Cheers!

          • golfingirl

            My guess is part of their “experiment” was to evaluate the reactions of persons once they learned it was an study and people here were drawn in.

            But again, maybe it isn’t an experiment at all, but simply a poster having a little fun with this board.

            Guess we will never know, will we?

          • Siva and Shake

            Cheers Larry. Good luck with golfingirl.

          • golfingirl

            I assume you will now be removing Larry’s photo from the comments made under “Zen D.”

            I believe it would be the right thing to do since the experiment has now concluded, or has it?

          • Siva and Shake

            Clever re: Polanski’s MacBeth style loop of infinite experimentation but no … it really is over.
            Astothe times you will actually notice from the boards we were on that there were 3
            set times of involvement centred on the pre-work/school, post-work/school,
            and pre-retirement phases of the day (your time). This is a boarding school and my
            students are post-pubescent and sorry, no lollipops here.
            Before I watch the UEFA match later I
            am deleting the last of these accounts (and sending the food shelter
            Money Order to which I have added $100 of my own money now) and with that the Avatar images should all disappear (the CT
            has already tried blocking our IPs – shame on the muzzle of ‘free’ speech
            that has a master), however it takes 24 hours. I will not receive any
            more updates and by tomorrow there are the orals to start preparing amongst other things so I don’t see
            myself personally coming back to this site *but* to the Lady of Reason I
            bow one time – Larry’s image is removed, as you can see. I hope an
            acquaintance for the better has been rekindled with you and Larry, [Have
            you ever seen 84 Charing Cross Road?]

            Good fortune to you,and good bye.

          • golfingirl

            Never saw it, but I have heard of it.

            Good luck with your students and studies. I too believe I am done here, there is very little which is mentally stimulating. Actually, your intervention was a welcome change. It reaffirmed my belief that they is intelligent life out there somewhere.

            I had a couple days off work and decided to experiment on my own. My husband happens to know the Assistant Fire Chief in Elyria and that is what caught my attention.

            For the record, I am not in any field related to psychology. An architect actually. Then post-graduate study in Finance and Economics. I got bored and am now pursuing a Nursing degree and am nearing the completion of the program.

            Any knowledge I have of psychology was by chance, as my husband was involved in the launch of Prozac into the U.S. I learned a little as I heard him speak on many occasions. It has always intrigued me.

            Again, good luck and hope your European Football team wins.

          • golfingirl

            Doing the math, I do find it interesting that many of your comments were posted at 3am your time, given the time difference between our countries.

            I do hope your students received an “A” for their commitment in getting up so early to conduct this project.

            But it does make one wonder, doesn’t it?

          • hereforfun2

            Iain formerly of Scotland? A’m fae scotland ye douche poke. Give it!!!

          • Siva and Shake

            Um, yes!!… Aberdonian or the Isles? Isles by the vernacular I’ll wager. Did we train together perhaps? That narrows it to the three of you :-) Joyous days.
            I’m still competing and as you can see my day starts early and doesn’t end. Been a bit since I had it with a bairn-bro since this run of private schools (almost 2 decades now).
            I’m online and easy to find at my school – send me an e-mail and use our boys club password if you can still remember ;-) so I know it’s you – ‘Americanas faigh do latha fhèin air. Nuair a tha an t-sradagris an fhraoch ‘. (Censor THAT Chronicle!)

            What happened to our boys today? Moyes’ men lost too of course but that was not unexpected.

            Jimmy U. if it’s you you owe me a yard for guessing!!!

  • golfingirl

    I have only posted a few times on these forums, but I cannot resist the temptation to chime in on this one.

    Hilarious.

    You have been used like a lab rat. Drawn right into another person’s world. An “experiment,” which demonstrated both histrionic and narcissistic behaviors among many of the regular posters in these pages.

    If the theory was to demonstrate social immaturity, this group hit the jackpot with this forum. There are several posters here who could model for an academic case study in low self esteem and how they use attention grabbing, grandstanding behaviors to build themselves up…..often at the expense of others.

    Immature adults who still act and behave in the same way a small child in primary school would. Maybe I shouldn’t exactly call it child-like; it sounds more like attention seeking behavior, not a mental regression to a younger age.

    But what I am personally curious about is whether courtesy, civility and outstanding manners mean anything nowadays and, if so, what? Dozens of vulgar, rude, and crass comments, directed at anonymous people, simply because they take a different position on a topic. Calling a person a “homosexual” because they disagree with you on an article about a fireman being disciplined for abuse of sick time. Maybe I have not been here long enough to understand that one.

    And the accusations of “stalking” by some people. We now know these imaginary people were constructed as part of some “study” simply to elicit a reaction.

    Because someone took five minutes to look up information on a person, who voluntarily put in the public domain themselves, hardly constitutes “stalking” behaviors. Larry’s entire employment history was disclosed, including his photo, based on what could not have taken but a couple minutes to collect. Really? If you don’t want it broadcast, don’t post it! I was a victim of “real” stalking, and I can tell you this does not even come close.

    Anonymity is a powerful force. Hiding behind a fake screen name makes some feel invincible, as well as invisible. Never mind that, on many websites, you’re not as anonymous as you may think. What happens in Vegas may stay in Vegas, but what you put on the Internet, is there forever.

    To those of us who choose to gain insight and a different point of view from these discussions, let me just say the behavior of many hers is very annoying. I have learned it is counter-productive to share your feelings or opinions with a r narcissist. When you express your opinion, they take it as an assault, and you will most likely be met with a barrage of rage and contempt. Sound familiar to anyone here?

    This forum is like a circle. After one round, regardless of the topic, you are back to the same place. Throwing insults and names at those you have disagreed with in the past. The topic is soon forgotten and it becomes all about putting the other person down, boring everyone else in the process.

    Rudeness is toxic to the discussion community and the business of calmly discussing issues. Mature debates are okay, but try not to exaggerate your viewpoints. If somebody disagrees with you, respect that person’s opinion.

    I have tried to make sure I approach this topic with care, because I do not wish to insult anybody here. I did not call anyone out by name, but if you think I am referring to you, I may be. You decide if you fit the type of person I am describing. Pass judgement on yourself.

    Even the nicest, most mild-mannered folk can turn into foul-mouthed spewers of rude comments in the world of cyberspace. It appears that typing out a nasty retort and hitting that “send” button has become far too easy – and common – for many people today. Maybe in the future, we can start thinking twice before we send that message.

    Even if someone writes something that you may find offensive, treat them with respect in this forum and take any personal disputes to a private mode of discussion off the forums. Other people are here to share opinions and constructive ideas, not to have to sort through post after post of personal attacks to find a single intelligent comment.

    Peace

    • ekwaykway

      Are you trying to tell me that being civil and no name calling makes posting a better thing? Newsflash: That is the most boring and not funny comment there is. Where do you get off calling people lab rats, children etc. Why don’t you take your own advice, think twice before you push the send button with a long winded holier than thou post. Wheres the tylenol…..

      • golfingirl

        Some of these attacks are simply over-the-top.

        I really don’t think referring to people as some type of bodily function, parts of the human anatomy or drawing conclusions about their sexual orientation adds anything to any discussion.

        If you feel otherwise, that is your prerogative. I suppose we simply have different opinions on this.

        I did visit this discussion topic voluntarily, so I assume I have to accept the posts for what they are. I just guess some of us still believe in civility and being able to hold a “conversation” without resorting to what is often crude, disgusting language.

        Guess I was wrong. Back to the sports pages for me.

        • ekwaykway

          The anonimity allows a person to truly express themselves. What you propose is frankly boring. Calling names can sometimes not only be humorous, it allows a person to show their passion on a subject. We all lose it once in a while trying to make a point. Why try to take that out of a discussion?

          • golfingirl

            My point is simply this.

            Too often the name-calling is a direct result of someone not being able to defend a position. It is a way to deflect from a topic into an area which has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. As long as it is relevant to what is being discussed, I can accept that.

            For example, when someone tells another person to perform oral sex on them, or that they are a homosexual etc., simply because they do not agree with their position, I do feel this is inappropriate. We can disagree in a civil manner without resorting to demeaning another person.

            To name call, without an factual basis for their remarks is very immature.

            If I say the “sky is blue” and you look at it and think it is gray, we can discuss it. Our difference of opinion does not may me a “psychotic flaming homosexual” who is then being told to shove something up into a body cavity. What happens is that this then becomes the conversation and the topic is lost. This article was a perfect example of that.

            Usually when the name-calling starts, it is because a person has lost an argument because they have been confronted with undeniable facts. This does not make the person who presented these facts to support their position a “you fill in the blank” person, who needs to be defecated upon, or some other weird comment.

            I have no problem if someone uses harsh language to show, as you say, “their passion” to make a point. It is when they have no point to make and resort to vulgar comments for the sake of making vulgar comments. At that point, they should simply bow out of the discussion, as they are not providing any insight into a topic at hand.

            I agree, we all do get carried away at times, but there is definitely a roster of characters here who seem to consistently resort to these tactics. No names will be mentioned.

            Really? If I disagree about a point, does this mean I am gay? Does it mean I should be told go down on your pen**? Does it make me a stalker, or a perverted psychotic? I think not.

            Use of this language if it applies to a discussion is fine, but to direct it at another person simply because we have a different point of view is wrong.

            Just my opinion. If you disagree, I promise not to call you any names.

          • golfingirl

            My point is simply this.

            Too often the name-calling
            is a direct result of someone not being able to defend a position. It is a way
            to deflect from a topic into an area which has absolutely nothing to do with the
            discussion. As long as it is relevant to what is being discussed, I can accept
            that.

            For example, when someone
            tells another person to perform oral sex on them, or that they are a homosexual
            etc., simply because they do not agree with their position, I do feel this is
            inappropriate. We can disagree in a civil manner without resorting to demeaning
            another person.

            To name call, without an
            factual basis for their remarks is very immature.

            If I say the “sky is
            blue” and you look at it and think it is gray, we can discuss it. Our
            difference of opinion does not may me a “psychotic flaming
            homosexual” who is then being told to shove something up into a body
            cavity. What happens is that this then becomes the conversation and the topic
            is lost. This article was a perfect example of that.

            Usually when the
            name-calling starts, it is because a person has lost an argument because they
            have been confronted with undeniable facts. This does not make the person who
            presented these facts to support their position a “you fill in the
            blank” person, who needs to be defecated upon, or some other weird
            comment.

            I have no problem if
            someone uses harsh language to show, as you say, “their passion” to
            make a point. It is when they have no point to make and resort to vulgar
            comments for the sake of making vulgar comments. At that point, they should
            simply bow out of the discussion, as they are not providing any insight into a
            topic at hand.

            I agree, we all do get
            carried away at times, but there is definitely a roster of characters here who
            seem to consistently resort to these tactics. No names will be mentioned.

            Really? If I disagree
            about a point, does this mean I am gay? Does it mean I should be told go down
            on your? Does it make me a stalker, or a perverted psychotic? I think not.

            Use of this language if it
            applies to a discussion is fine, but to direct it at another person simply
            because we have a different point of view is wrong.

            Just my opinion. If you
            disagree, I promise not to call you any names.

          • golfingirl

            My point is simply this.

            Too often the name-calling is a direct result of someone not being able to defend a position. It is a way to deflect from a topic into an area which has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. As long as it is relevant to what is being discussed, I can accept that.

            For example, when someone tells another person to perform oral sex on them, or that they are a homosexual etc., simply because they do not agree with their position, I do feel this is inappropriate. We can disagree in a civil manner without resorting to demeaning another person.

            To name call, without an factual basis for their remarks is very immature.

            If I say the “sky is blue” and you look at it and think it is gray, we can discuss it. Our difference of opinion does not may me a “psychotic flaming homosexual” who is then being told to shove something up into a body cavity. What happens is that this then becomes the conversation and the topic is lost. This article was a perfect example of that.

            Usually when the name-calling starts, it is because a person has lost an argument because they have been confronted with undeniable facts. This does not make the person who presented these facts to support their position a “you fill in the blank” person, who needs to be defecated upon, or some other weird comment.

            I have no problem if someone uses harsh language to show, as you say, “their passion” to make a point. It is when they have no point to make and resort to vulgar comments for the sake of making vulgar comments. At that point, they should simply bow out of the discussion, as they are not providing any insight into a topic at hand.

            I agree, we all do get carried away at times, but there is definitely a roster of characters here who seem to consistently resort to these tactics. No names will be mentioned.

            Really? If I disagree about a point, does this mean I am gay? Does it mean I should be told go down on your? Does it make me a stalker, or a perverted psychotic? I think not.

            Use of this language if it applies to a discussion is fine, but to direct it at another person simply because we have a different point of view is wrong.

            Just my opinion. If you disagree, I promise not to call you any names.

          • Zen Grouch

            **My point is simply this.**

            Do you realize in this topic you’ve used the words “simply because” at least 6 times when explaining the reasoning behind the certain words and actions of others?

            Such as, “so and so did such and such SIMPLY BECAUSE [insert oversimplification here].”

            Are you a traveling shrinkologist seeking out those who need your insight and help across the barren Intrernet?

            I believe ekwaykway hit the nail on the head when he suggested that you are quite boring.

            **Study THIS!**

          • Siva and Shake

            Please stop eating and drinking. Thank you.

    • Larry Crnobrnja

      A. You called me out by name.
      B. Did I even once complain that someone researched and posted my LinkedIn profile? (At the same time displaying their poor math skills.)

      If I wanted to remain anonymous, I wouldn’t post under my given name and have it tied to my Facebook account. I’ve said nothing to anyone on this forum I wouldn’t say to their face. On the other hand, it appears you’ve fallen for exactly what you are berating others for. Please let me introduce you to Kettle, Pot.

      • golfingirl

        Larry,
        I was using it simply as an example of how easy it is for someone to find information about someone else, not as a negative.

        My point was that when this occurs, there are people here who feel they are being stalked. You were not one of them. My apologies if I did not make this clear.

        For the record, I know you and your family and have nothing but good memories. (at least mostly good ones).

        • Larry Crnobrnja

          Mostly good is good, yes? FORE!

          • golfingirl

            Talk at “ya” later Scorp

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            I suspect there’s a hint in there, perhaps something to do with the way I’ve taught people how to pronounce our last name?

            Feel free to visit me at Facebook or Twitter (@LarryCrnobrnja) to fill me in. You’ll see some nice golf pictures at my club (I’m the current Senior Club Champ) and at The Masters from a couple years back.

          • golfingirl

            I may take you up on that at some point, although I do not have a Facebook nor Twitter account.

            For the most part, I tend to not participate in social media sites. I discourage my kids from doing so and feel I need to set an example for them.

            The name “Scorp” was a family name. You inherited it from your father. Had something to do with how he shot a basketball or something when he was younger I believe.

            Unfortunately, we are in the middle of winter here and it looks like a late Sping. I am traveling to Orlando and Tampa within the next month, so I will be out on the course every chance I get.

            I do have a driving range set up in my basement, so I can play Pebble Beach simply by turning on the simulator. I have played it live a couple of times, so I guess I am spoiled, and playing it in the basement is not the same.

            Hope your parents are doing well. I see your brother on occasion around town, now that he is retired.

          • Larry Crnobrnja

            Racking my brain…

      • Destroyer of Siva

        Sorry to disturb you further Larry, but you are quite right about
        “B. Did I even once complain that someone researched and posted my
        LinkedIn profile? (At the same time displaying their poor math skills.)”
        If you look carefully, there are in fact planted anomalies littered through our comments. Rarely are the merits of the posted argument themselves actually brought into question on a purely academic level and footholds for both superior and inferior responses were seeded throughout as part of the study.

    • Joe Smith

      You are the one making the big deal out of it, don’t read here if it is such a chore, real simple.

    • Destroyer of Siva

      Please see the reply to Larry C of a few minutes ago. I echo your sentiments on a personal level.

  • Oneday67

    I know I’m just a dumb American but I’m trying to figure out what the school project was trying to prove or not prove. The only thing I can get out of reading these comments is a group of people trying to get a rise out of someone, namely Larry C.

    • Destroyer of Siva

      See recent reply to Larry C