April 17, 2014

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Elyria has limited funds to repair city roads after harsh winter

Bell Avenue is just one of the many roads in Elyria in need of repair after an especially harsh winter. PHOTO COURTESY OF LINDA MEADOWS

Bell Avenue is just one of the many roads in Elyria in need of repair after an especially harsh winter. PHOTO COURTESY OF LINDA MEADOWS

ELYRIA — The limited amount of money the city has available to fix its pothole-pocked roads this summer is less than the city spent to fix a single road last year.

This year, the city’s road resurfacing program has just a little more than $24,000 available for road projects, said city Finance Director Ted Pileski.

The fate of the 2014 road repair program is up in the air while city officials try to cobble together more money.

“Right now, there are a lot of attempts to get funding from other sources to fund the street resurfacing program,” said city Engineer Tim Ujvari. “Without a doubt, we need more money to get things done and are trying to tap into whatever funding is available.”

City Council members, who fought hard in 2013 to bump up the road resurfacing program with some of the proceeds from the city’s insurance windfall, weren’t thrilled. They know the $500,000 infusion of last year won’t be available this year.

Last year’s total budget was $738,000. In 2012, there was $240,000 available.

“Wow. We have to figure out something,” said Councilman Jack Baird, R-at large. “Our streets have taken a beating this year. It’s just pitiful.”

Pileski’s math Monday night was a clear lesson in subtraction.

The city uses the Muni Motor Vehicle Fund, accumulated from license plate fees, to resurface roads each year.

The fund starts out hefty with upward of $1 million. But deductions have pretty much eaten up the entire six-figure sum.

Where is the money going?

As drivers travel state Route 57, few probably realize the smooth road they are driving on got that way at the expense of smaller roads for years to come.

Pileski offered a breakdown of the Muni Motor Vehicle Fund to explain why the road resurfacing program is in jeopardy this year. About $470,000 is used to pay the debt on the 57 project and another $98,000, the local share, on other larger projects.

“Yes, unfortunately that is the number for right now,” Pileski said of the remaining $24,293. “The only fund that can legally transfer monies into the Muni Motor Vehicle Fund is the general fund and due to the cuts to the Local Government Fund and the repeal of the estate tax, which amounts to a $1.8 million loss of revenue to the general fund every year, we are quite limited as to how much we can transfer out of the general fund.”

This winter — with its subzero temperatures and above-average snowfall — also has been exceptionally harsh on Elyria. Pileski said any money that would have been available to prop up resurfacing work has been proposed for other weather-related use, such as salt purchases and overtime for snow plow drivers.

The 2014 budget — proposed this week and up for a vote Monday — proposes a $315,000 transfer into the Street Construction Maintenance and Repair Fund for operating expenses in the Traffic Lights Department and the Street Department, which would include wages, overtime, benefits and operating supplies.

An additional $250,000 transfer to the State Highway Fund is needed to pay for road salt.

Pileski called this season a “budget busting” winter.

Work to come

The fate of the city’s resurfacing work may be in question, but orange barrels will dot Elyria streets this year.

A number of water and sewer projects are in the works, which will result in some streets getting a facelift as workers put roads back together. In addition, Ujvari said work on the Second and Third street bridges will be completed with work to start in June.

It’s a new project that sprung up after it was discovered that bearings on the bridge were beginning to fail. The faulty bearings, right where the bridge meets the road, are putting stress on the bridge deck.

Although it comes at a price tag of $160,000 that normally would have gone to road projects, Ujvari said the fix is either $160,000 for this year or more than $1 million once the bridge begins to fail.

Ujvari said while a fix is being working out with the resurfacing program, the Street Department will continue to do patch work and fix potholes with cold patch until the weather changes and with hot asphalt once the temperatures increase.

“This has been a tremendously hard winter. We are not giving up on getting the roads in better conditions,” he said.

Contact Lisa Roberson at 329-7121 or lroberson@chroniclet.com. Follow her on Twitter @LisaRobersonCT.

A HOLE IN THE REPAIR BUDGET

Amount available to spend: $1,011,670

Budgeted expenditures:

  • Money for operations and maintenance, $2,900
  • Money appropriated for Route 57 debt, $470,376
  • Money needed to close out 2013 projects, $105,829
  • Local share of Lake Avenue Issue 2 project, $8,272
  • Local share of Abbe Road North widening, $90,000
  • Crack Sealing Program, $50,000
  • City portion of ODOT work on U.S. Route 20, $100,000
  • Work to bridges on Second and Third streets, $160,000

Total available for 2014 street resurfacing $24,293

  • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

    This is the dark side of a city that fails levies while talking about things “going downhill.” You can’t be Rocky River unless you pay Rocky River taxes. Potholes are the minimal return on the minimal investment we make in Elyria.

    We’ll have someone come into these comments and talk about how the local government is so wasteful, and they should just go without pay to cover the cost, or shut down “the welfare,” anything to avoid taking responsibility for the overall betterment of the city. Fixing these problems falls to all of us. If we continue to underinvest in the city, it can’t get better.

    • Pablo Jones

      The city invested in black light poles on 57. What has been the return on that? Oh the city is still paying that off at the expense of the roads.

      • stop ur whining part deux

        Yea well when the 57 project was announced everyone wanted it to be nice just like you find when you go east. They wanted well light roads with beautiful gardens in the median. Well, Alan is right. You get what you pay for. Everyone in Elyria wants more, they want to be like River or Westlake, they just do not want to pay for it.

        Oh, BTW, those lights you are complaining about use 1/3 of the power the old ones did. That actually saves money.

        Again, Alan is 100% right. Elyria has turned into trash bc teh citizens have allowed it too.

        • Pablo Jones

          The state would have paid for the same lights and the maintenance if they weren’t black but in the gray galvanized steel. But no they city paid for the lights and pays the maintenance on them. And everyone didn’t want it, many people spoke up against it but Mayor Grace wanted so the city council followed suit. In fact many people complained that this very situation would occur where there would be no money available for roads because it was already spent.

          Further even if people didn’t want a pretty road, which they didn’t, what good did spending all that money do for the city. Find me 1 business that came into town because of the lights and rose bushes.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            You are terribly misinformed I actually was at the 3 meetings when 57 was discussed. Everyone wants a beautiful elyria. They wanted it back then and still today. The problem is that none want to pay for it.

          • It has to stop

            By everyone you mean the handful of Grace’s sheep?

          • stop ur whining part deux

            By everyone i mean everyone that wanted a better elyria. the problem, better comes with a price. They same people complaining now are the same people that complained about the city not being beautiful. Can not have it both ways.

          • Pablo Jones

            How have black light posts and median weeds made Elyria better? I don’t hear anyone complaining about Elyria being beautiful they are complaining about pot holes.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            but not about pot holes on 57. It is one of the only well conditioned, well lit roads in Elyria.

          • Mark B

            the lights are really no bright enough and a majority of the time there are sections of them that arte not working , not to mention that there is always at least 3 or 4 knocked down

          • Pablo Jones

            I would like a 70″ tv, but that doesn’t mean it is feasible or a worth while expense. I would bet most people would like a beautiful Elyria. But when you have limited funds you need to do what is right not what you like or what is nice.

            Besides I’m sure the majority of the people in the city were not in those meetings. The opinion of the majority of the people in the city is that it was a waste.

            You still didn’t answer my question, what businesses have come to Elyria because of the lights and median plants?

          • stop ur whining part deux

            What businesses are coming to elyria period? Your answer is NONE. You want to know why? Simple sir. Elyria is a rat hole. I hate to say it because i will always have a fondness on where i am from but it is time to call a spade a spade.

            Elyria is a rat hole that everyone wants to move out of. You need to raise taxes to force the garbage that cannot afford it to move it. Use that extra tax dollars to beef up police then sink the last of your money into infrastructure (roads) and schools.

            57 was a step, and again, it is what people said they wanted.

            Elyria is doomed to be garbage until the citizens invest in it’s future.

          • Mark B

            Too much government housing in Elyria , those people will not pay more in taxes if you double the current tax rate . Taxing the property owner will not solve the problem! those on welfare will not be affected.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            It forces the property owner to sell. Too much rent in Elyria and not enough ownership. You can directly link the amount of renters to the downfall of a city. There needs to be a healthy mix. I understand it is a catch 22, but elyria is too far gone.

          • SniperFire

            ‘What businesses are coming to elyria period? Your answer is NONE. ‘

            Now – THERE is a story start and editorial series I wished the Chronicle Telegram had the GUTS to tackle editorially. But they don’t want to make the Democrats who run everything look more pathetic than they are.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            IM not a republican nor am i a democrat so no pony in that race. However the people of Elyria are fools. In the 25 plus years i lived there i saw nothing done right the first time. 57 was done right and it is the end of the world. It is amazing that people complain about everything. Grace was a moron, but he said it best. You are damned if you do and damned if you dont. Had the city halfa$$ed 57 everyone would be screaming bloody murder.

          • Stan K

            Raising taxes will not help the city,it will only force good homeowners to look elsewhere to live.There are too many rentals in this city.Raising taxes will not increase our property value,especially considering the number of non-maintained rental properties. Its time to force these rentors to start maintaining their properties,only then will homeowners be willing to pay more in tax.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            you can not force the renter. You need to force the owner. Raising taxes will make them sell, or update their property and seek better tenants. You are right, too many rental properties. You need a healthy mix of owners and renters.

          • golfingirl

            They have the tenants they have because that is the demographics of Elyria.

            Exactly where are these “better” tenants coming from?

            Don’t see many people from Avon/Avon Lake moving to Elyria because a landlord just raised the rent.

            As for selling, who are they going to sell to? Likely just another slum landlord. Who in their right mind would buy a rental property in Elyria and invest in updating it, when they know they will have to likely settle for a Section 8 tenant anyway.

            People buy property to make money, not to lose it. That is their motivation. Make no money, the bank takes it, and it becomes just another vacant building.

            While in theory, your argument makes sense, in reality, it will not happen.

            Just my opinion. You are free to feel otherwise.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Liek i have said. catch 22. Elyria is the new lorain. Nothing but scum. It is the reason i moved away. Too many terrible decisions made in the last 40 years.

          • golfingirl

            Agreed!

          • Mickey Mouse

            You are totally wrong on what you state. I was at every meeting including the ones at NOACA and we could of gotten 57 done for millions less but Bill wanted that road done his way. Actually I was on the inside looking out when it all took place. Grace took as much money from the taxpayer that he could get his hands on to get the project done his way. If you do recall NOACA is a co signer on the note for state route 57. member folks we are paying the max in plate fees ever year. If you recall Bill and Eric said that all our raods would be done within 5 to 8 years with this increase in fees. Now we have twin bridges to nowhere doing nothing. We have 57 that is already getting alittle wear and tear and within 2 tto 3 years will need some attention and yet we are all suffering because of a Litle spoiled brat that wanted everything his way. Yes I am talking about BILL WILLIAM GRACE.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            sry but you are very incorrect

        • It has to stop

          Pretty certain there weren’t too many people clamoring for a road overloaded with light poles and some of the worst landscaping ever designed and matching black guard rails except for that moron Grace.
          Just a new paved road was all that was needed.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            overloaded with light poles…that was disproved a long time ago. They actually only wound up adding about a dozen more lights total, perhaps less, been so long i can not remember, but again, minor increase at best. Secondly, Everyone wanted those gardens, they wanted to look like westlake, well that does not come without a price. Again, Elyrians want a better life, a better city…they just want someone eles to pay for it.

          • It has to stop

            Lived here all my life and there were not anywhere close to 300 plus lights on that stretch of 57.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            then you never paid attention.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2009/09/27/debating-the-lights-and-roses-on-route-57/

            The new light posts are 10 feet closer than the old ones and the city paid 159k for the lights and 42k for the landscaping.

          • It has to stop

            I obviously paid more attention then you.
            By your statement the new light posts are 10 feet closer then the old ones. At approx 6 miles of roadway that was done, that is going to add a significant amount more. Add to the fact they also placed 2 lights across from each other when the old ones were placed singly then you should get the point.

          • It has to stop

            How many light poles do you see in this photo? Taken right before they began the construction and you still want to say they only added a few?

          • Bill

            The sides and the median look a damn site better then as compared to now.

          • Pablo Jones

            maybe 10 feet closer where there were existing lights, but the road did not have lights.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            so they lit the rest of it. Big deal. That entire project cost slightly over 20 million dollars and the city paid a little more than 10%! That is a deal. It is now the only nice road in the entire city. It is one of the very few things that backwards city did right and it was done for a price that everyone should be able to deal with. Would you rather have had them do a typical elyria half a$$ job? I for one am sick of that.

          • Pablo Jones

            No one is saying they should have redone the road. It is the extras that are the problem. The extra costs that resulted in less money available now.

          • golfingirl

            Who paid the other 90%? We did, the taxpayers.

            All government spending comes from taxes, their only source of income.

            I never understood why some people think things are free if they are paid for by taxes at a different level.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            yes we all pay taxes and yes we all pay a little chunk. But your local municipality, Elyria, the city of, paid only 10% of the costs. The rest was paid for by the state, which yes we pay taxes for. But again, the City of Elyria and its residents were on the hook for 10%.

          • Mark B

            Would of made more sense to just repair and repave the road , nothing else was needed

          • stop ur whining part deux

            In order to meet state requirements to receive funding certain parameters had to be met. If you want to be mad about something, be mad about that.

          • It has to stop

            With the way you are defending all of this makes me wonder if your not that certain Grace Crony from the planning commission. Sound just like him.

          • Mark B

            actually some parts had no lights on it

          • Joe Smith

            Mounting them on a T-pole would have taken half as many poles and the poles would be off the road further increasing safety

          • stop ur whining part deux

            and the nicest road in elyria is? that’s right, state route 57. How much did elyria pay for the project? 2.7 million. The city got a great new highway that looks amazing and has need little maintenance and paid about 10% for it. Wow, the audacity of Grace. It should have been free right?

          • Joe Smith

            Paid about 10%, ? Did a private donor donate the other 90% when we weren’t looking?

          • stop ur whining part deux

            No, the state paid for it.

          • Joe Smith

            Really? I guess the state had their own money and it didn’t come from us taxpayers? , we paid for 100% of it, it doesn’t matter which tax pot it came from. It kills me when someone thinks state or fed money is free.

            We are just going to have to agree to disagree dude, you will never convince me building double the poles was a better idea and the safety factor weighs heavily in this matter to me. Enjoy your week.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            no sir, you are helping to pay your percentage of city taxes for the 2.7 million it cost the city and the other 90% you can spread out to EVERY tax payer in Ohio.

            I am not a moron, i do realize that state money is not free. It is however collected from the 11.5 million ohio residents. so that is $1.60 cents per person for 57

          • Joe Smith

            And our taxes are spread out for other people projects so it evens out that we paid for it, I paid more than $1.60 in state taxes last year, didn’t you?

            If people would quit wasting our tax dollars like this we would either end up paying less ( I know ha ha) or we would get a better bang for our buck.

            And again, I see you ignore the safety issue. Just answer this, it it safer to have one pole in the middle or two poles close to the road?

            ZERO question this project would have been cheaper and safer with the t-poles ZERO.

            If you disagree, explain how 2 poles are cheaper than 1 and how it is not safer having the poles father from the edge of the road.

          • Mark B

            if it was so cheap , why are we still paying for it now ? to a tune of almost a half a million dollars just for this year . By the time it is payed off it will need resurfaced again , all at the expense of the secondary roads. One nice road that is a “Bypass” of Elyria .

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Then they should not have done the project to begin with. The total cost of those lights and the gardens came to $200k. That is 200k out of the 2.7 million the city had to pay. Even if they hadnt have put in the lights and nixed the gardens that stills leaves them on the hook for 2.5 million. If they could not afford that, then they should have done nothing and let 57 turn into a chuck hole infested mess. If they had, everyone on this thread would be irate at the deplorable conditions on 57.

            How much of that payment on the loan is a direct results of the lighting and gardens everyone is so mad about?

          • It has to stop

            You are forgetting the massive eye sore that you call a garden which is actually one of the worst landscaping designs ever. Of course you can’t figure the cost of maintenance for it as the city does not have the money available for the upkeep. So it’s left for the weeds to overgrow not to mention almost every bush is dead or dying from the road salt.
            Like someone said earlier, no one is complaining about the road but the waste no matter how small you are saying compared to the overall cost of the extra lights, your garden and Grace having the guard rails painted black to match his precious lights. 200k (your number) is still quite a bit more then the 24k they have available right now for the other roads.

          • Pablo Jones

            No, according to the highway lighting standards the light poles should have been place 2-4 times further apart.

            Who is everyone? That is a pretty broad statement. There are probably a dozen people reading this that didn’t want any “gardens”. Most people have made the comments that volunteer groups should do the work. But when that was that the union complained that would take away union jobs.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            SO elyria does not half a$$ something like they usually do and all of a sudden it is a problem. Elyria for years, for as long as i can remember always does things half way. From a “temporary” city hall that last 50 years to building a brand new librabry with no basement for storage. The list goes on and on. With 57 they did it right and mostly at the states expense. DO you even know how much of that project the city paid for?

          • Pablo Jones

            So the city is doing something well when they do more work than is necessary? That is like going to your dentist and thanking him for doing 4 root canals instead of 1 and happily paying for it.

            They money that the city wasted was money that could have been used some where else. The money that the state paid was still tax dollars that could have been used somewhere else. Waste is waste.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            No sir, they over did nothing. They had a state route that cuts thru the city paved and well lit that we paid a fraction of the cost for. That is not overduing anything.

            I swear people in that rat hole complain about everything. If they had done it on the cheap everyone would complain how poorly lit it is and the maintenance that needs to be done.

            It is not like going to the dentist. It is like buying a car. You spend 2k and you have a p.o.s. that you are going to have to sink money into every few months, or you spend 10k and have a car that you do not need to worry about breaking down. Bad analogy.

          • Pablo Jones

            If the high was standards call for 1/2 to 1/4 the number of light poles and the city chooses to foot the entire bill for the lights because they want more light poles that are painted black then it is over doing it.

            No one is complaining about the road.

            You want a car analogy here’s one. A little old lady on a fixed income wants a safe reliable car to go from home to church a mile down the road. The salesman talks her into getting a high performance sports car that costs twice as much and will cost her more in maintenance. It was more than what was needed, she can’t afford it, and it won’t do a thing to help her get into heaven.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            You do not pay for anything you can not afford and the CIty could afford the cost they were billed for. Again, a beautifully well lit and well constructed highway at a faction of the cost. It is the only jewel in the sewer that is Elyria.

            And again, you, and every moron on here believe that 57 is the ONLY reason the city can not fix potholes. Hate to burst your bubble, but it is not. Everyone just wants someone to be mad at and someone to blame.

            Over the next ten years as elyria falls farther and farther into disrepair 57 will still be going strong because it was done right.

          • Mark B

            no matter how much you polish a turd (rt 57) its still a turd (Elyria)

          • Mark B

            or have to replace light poles every month because they have been knocked down

          • stop ur whining part deux

            That is not the cities fault. That is poor drivers. Driven 57 many times, many times at night, heck a few times when i had no business driving and i still never came close to hitting one.

          • Stan K

            You seem to have every whining excuse in the book.If you look at other cities that have the same type of setup like rt57,you would notice that guardrails are placed in front of the poles to protect them.You keep stating that they did RT57 right,but they obviously did not.. and It has to stop owned you throughout this blog,whether you like it or not

          • Bill

            You must work in government. Yours is a bad analogy. Buying a car and spending more so you do not have a crappy car and spending and additional 200k for something to be aesthetically pleasing and enhanced the roadway not one bit are 2 different things. If anything all those light poles did is allow for more safety concerns as the chances of hitting a light pole are increased dramatically. Then the poles lay there for 3 months with yellow ribbon and traffic cones before they are repaired.

          • Stan K

            He is probably really Bill Grace,still trying to justify an Epic fail

          • golfingirl

            If you only have $2k dollars to spend on a car, you do not spend $10k!!!! This is the problem. The government buys a Mercedes, when they should be buying a Ford Focus.

            But then again, if you are not paying for it, who really cares.

          • Mark B

            close to a half million just this year .

          • stop ur whining part deux

            2.7 million total out of a 20 million plus project. Not bad if you ask me.

        • Joe Smith

          They could have put those same lights on a t-pole instead of using 2 lights directly across from each other cutting the amount of poles and labor about in half. Lights that use 1/3 the power is not a savings when you build twice as many poles

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Very easy to Monday morning quarterback a call like that. At the time they were put in, it was cost effective to do it as they did.

            And everyone is stating that the 57 project is the only reason Elyria is hurting. It most certainly is not. This is mere deflection. There are numerous reasons that the city has limited funds to repair streets. We have also forgot what 57 could look like. For ONCE elyria did something right. That town is known for doing everything on the cheap, well you get what you pay for. What has the maintenance been like on 57? Your answer is next to none, that may not have been the case if they did it half way.

            Again, Elyrians want a better life, just do not want to pay for it.

          • golfingirl

            Is it that they don’t want to pay for it, or cannot pay for it?

            Just asking.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Probably both but that does not stop people from wanting it and why wouldn’t it. haha. Unfortunately nothing in life is free, but you know that.

          • golfingirl

            If you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. This is how a responsible family runs their household budget, it should be how the government runs theirs as well.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Yes and if your aunt had balls she would be your uncle. Yes our government is crooked and self serving. But what else is knew?

          • golfingirl

            Nice rude comeback.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            nothing rude about it. I mean come on, are we really going to get drawn into a debate on how crooked our politicians are? We all know it, it is not changing.

            How about if i said if if and buts were candy and nuts…more pc?

          • ekwaykway

            Lol, since when has our government, state, local, etc., run a budget responsibly? Never…..

          • Pablo Jones

            It isn’t Monday morning quarterbacking because these were the concerns brought up before the project even started. It wasn’t cost effective because the city paid more money than they needed for pretty. City streets are now going unrepaired because there is no money because future money was spent on pretty. The cities problems are not all because of 57, but the pot hole issue right now is.

            people don’t want to pay, because they have lived through the city miss spending money.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            No, city streets are going unpaved due to more than just 57. A harsh winter that has taken its toll, a lack of money due to needing to buy more salt.

            Also, read the post above. Fellow Elyrian that had her road repaved last year and it is full of potholes. 57 on the other hand…looks great. Just another example of Elyria doing it on the cheap. And MOST importantly…Elyria paid a little over 10% of the total cost of a project that heaven forbid, gets done right.

          • Pablo Jones

            How much has the extra salt cost Elyria? About $50-60 per ton, but the city already budgeted for around 4-5,000 tons. The extra salt is really just a drop in the bucket.

            A state route and a city road are not built to the same specs and repaving a road is not the same as rebuilding the base. Again no one has said they shouldn’t have rebuilt 57. They are saying they extras should have been avoided and the savings spent on areas that would improve the city.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Your reveune loss is in those you pay to spread your salt and plow your roads and i assure you that salt costs far more than 50-60 per ton.

            Again man, you want to live in a sewer your whole life? That is what elyria is, keep on living the cheap route. How many times have those unnecessary light posts been serviced? How many road crews you seen on 57 since it’s completion. The city had a great opportunity to get a top notch highway built with better than 85% of the funding coming from the state. That highway is the only good thing in the entire city.

            You wanna be mad. Be mad at your city workers. I worked for the city and saw that abuse first hand. Unions keeping junk employed at a pay rate that far exceeds their education and work requirements. Employees sleeping on the clock, firefighters switching shifts to maximize OT. Employees showing up drunk or high and hiding for 3-4 hours a day.

            Fact is Pablo, you can complain about a lot of financial abuse in the sewer that is now Elyria and route 57 is not one of them. It is the only example of the city doing something right and the only reason it was done right is because the city did not pay for almost any of it.

          • Pablo Jones

            Most of the cities salt was bought prior to winter and the going rate is around there might even be less if they have a good contract. Sure they pay over time for clearing the roads, but those are the same employees they pay a full day for a half day of work, In any case overtime costs usually don’t come from the road maintenance funds.

            Oh and by the way I got out of Elyria along time ago. But unfortunately my parents are still there.

            You still haven’t answered how adding more lights is the right thing?

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Safer. Look at no lite road accidents vs lit road accidents. Furthermore, the lighting that was added is now a highly populated area (chestnut commons). Highways that cut thru cities are almost always lit. Safety being the concern. the lighting starts at chestnut and ends at 113, all highly populated and high traffic areas,.

            And my folks still are there too.

          • Bill

            Why don’t you provide that data instead of just throwing it out there?

          • Joe Smith

            Its very easy to make a logic call like that you mean, if it was cost effective to put 2 poles up, it is more cost effective to put one up even if it had to be a little beefy, and you can’t argue it would be safer to have those in the middle of the median instead of a short distance off the road like that.

            Everybody wants a better life but don’t have the money, cutting costs on waste would be the smarter move.

            Looks are worthless if the roads are so bad you can’t drive through the town.

            If you were near out of money , would you plant flowers at your house or would you fix the leak in the roof?

          • Mark B

            well the new traffic control lights suck , the old way was much better , they had to come back and diamond cut several areas because the new traffic light controls were causing lots of accidents due to poor traffic flow , figure in all of the time and money replacing all of the light pole that have been knocked down , I bet there is no savings

          • Mark B

            not to mention half of the wiring

        • Mark B

          If we would of went with the old style lights then Ohio Edison would of been responsible for their upkeep and repair , no so with these ones , now its on the city !

          • stop ur whining part deux

            …and why did the city do that? Cheaper, ohio edison wasn’t not servicing them for free.

        • Stan K

          I have to disagree,the city of Elyria has shown the taxpayers that they will continue to pay longevity,allow the private use of who knows how many city vehicles and continue to pay a few police officers and fireman ridiculous amounts of overtime,THE CITY GOVERNMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STATE OF THE CITY.NOT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.

      • Joe Smith

        The return is when they put them so close to the road they get hit all the time and they charge the driver more than the cost to replace them.

    • stillsleepyeyes

      the roses smell nice at 55 mph going down route 57………………that s when you can see them from all those weeds………….

    • SniperFire

      Don’t you just love how Leftists say ‘we’ when they always mean take the other guy’s ,money?

      • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

        Hi, SniperFire. Elyria homeowner, resident, and worker here. I am always happy to pay my property, sales, and income taxes, and when I vote to pass levies, I am voting for more dollars to come out of my own pocket for the city’s needs.

        Tell me more about how I only want to tax other people, and how that’s even possible.

        • FoodForThought63

          Alan I have yet to see one POSITIVE comment on here from SniperFire. I actually feel pity for someone who must be so miserable to the point where all they have to do all day is log onto the newspaper’s site and spout their negativity on every story. Ever consider suicide Sniper? It might solve your problems.

          • Zen Grouch

            If she shot herself square in the forehead, she’d probably entirely miss anything vital, then blame her incompetence and walnut sized brain on the darned dirty liberals.

          • Joe Smith

            Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!……er I mean liberal!

            I was just trying out my best Charlton Heston imitation.

            Did I sound like him?

          • Zen Grouch

            Coincidentally, I started watching the first Planet of the Apes on Netflix last night. Much better than I remembered it!

            …oh yeah, I was high. Movies tend to be better that way.

            Now I just got to get me one of those vegan liberal whippin’ sticks the Repub… ‘er… Apes were using to round ‘em up and put some order into their mixed up commie lives!

          • Joe Smith

            Yep, it was a good movie and everything is better high.

          • Zen Grouch

            I love making lists when I’m high, and tonight I’m gonna start a list of things that *aren’t* better when high, such as getting a root canal from a dentist who doesn’t speak English…

            Last night’s list was an odd one the wife despised… ‘Things Normal Guys Should Never Ask Each Other’

    • golfingirl

      Oh no, don’t tell me your are one of those democratic socialist. A believer in the redistribution of wealth. Worked out real well for Spain and Italy, didn’t it?

      Fact is, Rocky River has a lower tax rate than the City of Elyria. In case you haven’t noticed, Elyria is broke! People have lower than average salaries and to take more of the little they have would only harm the very people you claim to be helping.

      People with money will simply leave, this is what is already happening. Raise their taxes, and those actually paying them will be gone and leave even less for the city. Heaven forbid logic should actually enter into this discussion.

      People who are high wage earners, pay more than their “fair share” already. They should be commended for their contribution to society, not criticized because they are not giving enough. They take less and give more. We do have a progressive tax system in this country which insures this is the case.

      How about we get all those lazy folks off the public dole and have them fix the streets? You get a paycheck from the taxpayers, you work for the taxpayers. Seems pretty simple to me. Or will the union workers not allow them to work on the roads, since it will take away from their employment opportunities?

      So you want to raise taxes on people in Elyria who are struggling already to make ends meet? Really? If this is your solution, Elyria will look a little brother to Detroit, who had some of the highest tax rates in the country.

      This whole tax and spend mentality has to stop. In case you haven’t noticed, we are over $17 trillion dollars in debt and cannot tax our way out of it. It is a mathematical impossibility, unless we cut spending. And Obamacare hasn’t even kicked in yet.

      Sorry for getting on my political soapbox, but if you think for a minute raising taxes on residents who are already living paycheck to paycheck is the answer, you are so wrong.

      States with the lowest tax rates are thriving, those who raise taxes without any concessions on spending are seeing the same mass exodus as Elyria. Your “solution” will only make matters worse.

    • stop ur whining part deux

      spot on sir

    • Bill Love

      I agree lets put a sales tax for road improvement that way everyone pays equaly

      • Joe Smith

        Except they will use the money elsewhere

    • Chris

      There are not enough actual “tax payers” in Elyria. Too many section 8 and other types of subsidized programs and housing does not allow Elyria to be able to collect what they need. So they continue to chase out the tax payers and job creators while subsidizing failing public colleges and such.. That is just terrible city planning. Take a look at where the Elyria demo-elitists live and you will see they don’t have street problems. All the work that used to be in Elyria, now exists in Avon, Avon Lake, Westlake, Rocky river. Elyria needs to wake up.

    • Chris

      Pablo said it correct. Higher taxes on the lower end of the bracket are needed. The poor cant afford to live in Rocky River, Westlake, etc. because of high rent and taxes. That would be the only reason I would raise any taxes. To drive out the poor would be good for Elyria. Too much subsidized housing in both Elyria and Lorain.

  • Mark B

    When does it become time for city goverment to take responsibility for waste. it is well know that the trash collectors only work about 4 hours a day , but yet continue to be paid for 8 hours work. The mayor wants to waste millions on a failed transportation center at the same time she says we are too broke to fix the roads. You could tripple the city taxes and in 1 years time they would be back to crying broke. Elyria does not have the mean income of Rocky River, so how can you expect the property Owners to pay that amount in Taxes. Only to see the tax money wasted .

    • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

      Of course Elyria does not have the mean income of Rocky River. Why would high earners want to live in a city that underinvests in itself? We have some work to do if we want to get on that level, but all most of us want to talk about are some flowers along the highway. God forbid we want to make the city look more appealing.

      • Joe Smith

        You don’t make the city look more appealing by planting flowers when we need money for items like roads which people are not going to be looking at your flowers because their head will be down looking for potholes.

        Flowers and the like should be planted when a city has an excess of money.

        Having to get a front end alignment makes a place look much less appealing.

        • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

          I don’t disagree, and I expect accountability of local spending, but we can’t use such a minor expense to derail every legitimate conversation about our city’s financial shortcomings.

          Would you be willing to pass a levy that came coupled with a line-by-line budget of expenditures from that extra tax revenue, provided the expenditures were truly beneficial to the city (i.e. pothole repair)? If yes, we’re on the same page. I don’t just want to write them a blank check by any means, but this is a real problem.

          • Joe Smith

            We don’t have to write them a blank check, they write it themselves LOL

          • Pablo Jones

            You expect accountability of their spending, but they have never shown it. Every time they ask for more money they say they will be smart with it, but when they get it they aren’t. They need to show they can be responsible with what they have now. Granted some times they are stuck with what the previous administration has left them, but if they can make it work with less then maybe people are willing to give more in the future.

            Seriously giving more money to a politician who says they will spend it wisely is just as dumb of an idea as leaving your 13 year old daughter along with a pedophile rapist who says he will leave her alone.

          • golfingirl

            Now I do agree with you here. Problem is it will never happen. Once the politicians get their hands on the money, it is spent on other activities.

            Both political parties are equally responsible. I thought the current President was going to go through the budget with a “scalpel” (his words). Looks more like he cut it with a butter knife.

            My point is tax revenue is not the issue, it is government spending. Elyria cannot tax their way out of this, or as I said above, those with the money to pay the taxes will simply leave. This is already what has happened.

            In theory, it may sound like a reasonable solution. In practice, it is never going to happen. As I am sure you know, there are no democratic socialists countries anywhere in the world. Some have adopted a few aspects of it, but none have completely embraced it.

            To think people are going to suddenly “believe” politicians when they have been misled for decades, is never going to happen. At least not during my generation.

            Tax the wealthy, the wealthy leave. Their departure hurts those who remain and cannot afford to leave. The very people who this increase in taxes was meant to help, are further hurt. They are left to wallow in their own economic conditions, while life goes on for those who have departed.

            case in point, Elyria is down to their last $24k to repair roads, while Avon is debating whether to add an additional water slide to their new $5M community swimming pool. Their tax rate is lower in Avon, than Elyria. Where would you rather live?

          • stop ur whining part deux

            The wealthy would stay if they are provided with three essentials. Paved roads, good schools, and a safe city. At this point elyira is a lost cause. You are right, if you live in a gutter and are over taxed you leave. However you need to raise your taxes in order to keep a certain element out of your city. That revenue needs to be allocated to hire more police to take out the remaining trash, into your schools, and into your infrastructure. At some point the citizens of a city need to invest in it. It is a catch 22, Elyria is doomed.

          • Pablo Jones

            The poor don’t pay taxes because they don’t work. The own of the house or apartment can’t raise their rent because he doesn’t have anyone to move in if they leave. Some money is better than none.

          • golfingirl

            For the most part I agree, however the “element” you are referring to do not pay taxes. They really do not care about tax rates, since they are not affected.

            I do not believe, and I may be wrong, that people living off entitlements have any tax liability.

            Biggest issue is who wants to move into a city on the promise it “may” be a better place to live in within the next ten years, when you can simply move into a better city now.

            I know what my choice would be, in fact what it has been.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            and there is the catch 22. you force your landlords to raise the rent to make up the short fall. that forces them to either sell, allowing for redevelopment, or remodel and go after better tenants. But renting over all is the problem. You need a health balance of renters vs owners. Elyria has too many renters.

            You are right, no one moves to a city on hopes and dreams. There in lies the problem. At some point you will need to go in the red as a city in hopes that you can clean it up and make it appealing. Which elyria could easily be. Avon is over populated and it is already spilling over into n. ridgville. Eventually it too will be overpopulated. If you can have low home prices, good schools and a safe city you can attract familes just starting out. But it wont be easy.

          • Mark B

            How can you tax Wilkes Villa , South Park, 555 South Abbe , Westway Gardens, Har Plaza, River View Plaza, Rosewood Gardens out of the city when they pay no taxes to begin with ?

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Tax teh owner, forcing him to sell or raise the rent. the increase in rent forces scum to move out. The villa, that is a lost cause.

          • Bill

            So how are you going to go about taxing the owner who for some of those places listed if not all are owned by the government? When pigs fly…….

          • Mark B

            There is still waste in elyria , the trash truck drivers get paid 8 hours for 4 hours work. no levy is going to pass till that is fixed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Mark B

        Those flowers should of been put in Flower boxes and supported by local business for a advertising sign attached , then the city could of actually made mone from it , rather than loosing money, not to mention it would be next to imposible for the city workers to mow the flowers down like they did last year !

        • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

          That’s actually a great idea Mark B. Definitely something the city should be made aware of.

        • golfingirl

          Or placed on the graves of all the people killed in Elyria through violent crime.

  • SniperFire

    ‘ About $470,000 is used to pay the debt on the 57 project ‘

    Is that the one where the last idiot mayor lined the median with rose bushes and break-away lamp posts?

  • Joe Smith

    Stop the maintenance on the flowerbeds in the median and use prisoners to supplement the workers. It’s a start anyway

    • stillsleepyeyes

      You mean they actually take care of the medians?

      • Joe Smith

        You are right, silly me

      • Mark B

        Sure they mow down the flowers and plants at least twice a year

  • Linda Meadows

    Well according to the figures published, Bell Ave wont be fixed right this year and neither will anything else! Wonder what they use my property tax for? I believe they are partially based on “frontage” and since I live on the corner, my taxes are much higher than others. I was told I have to pay more because I have “frontage” on two streets!

    • Sue Lawson

      That is what I was wondering Linda. Aren’t the property taxes supposed to pay for fixing the road in front of our houses? The gas tax must be for state roads.

  • Mike Litoris

    Sweet. Leave the holes. It will just cost us double next year-hell, why not just re-pave all the streets and line them with magical black lightposts.

  • bigmacky

    its all that overtime to cops – double normal salary on most of em – - what gets me is the roads that look like the ho chi min trail get no attention but those who have council members ect get resurfaced – its funny the worst roads don’t get the attention they desrerve

  • bigmacky

    to heck with the medians of poo – just keep that city worker mowing everything

  • golfingirl

    At this point, all that matters is that the roads leading out of Elyria are repaired, since it seems those are the only ones being used.

    • Sue Lawson

      How can that be true when they said a new high school would bring in more businesses? Yeah, right.

  • Pablo Jones

    Taxes are basically a negative incentive for an action. Raise cigarette taxes and people smoke less, raise the tax on alcohol and people drink less. Like wise if you raise income tax people that can move do.

    Why do we want the earners and high earners to leave the city? How about we raise the tax on the lower end of the tax bracket and drive out the low earners. People that take more from the city than give. Lower taxes for businesses and high earners to bring in those that will benefit the city.

    • Chris

      As a business owner in Elyria I have to completely agree. I have already begun the process of moving my assets and business before the property taxes go up again. Which they will because the majority of those who will vote on it don’t understand its effects because they pay rent. Landlords should break down these things to there renters so as to educate them a little. Most will not care because when there rent goes up because of it, the tax payers (home/property) will once again pick up the tab. Way to go Elyria.

      • Sue Lawson

        Couldn’t agree more. I feel ALL taxpayers should pay, not just property owners.

        • Mark B

          or only property owners can vote on tax levies

  • Sue Lawson

    Didn’t they add $5.00 more for license plates to fix the roads in Elyria?

    • Mark B

      they sure did , but once again that money has been squallered somewhere else !

      • SniperFire

        BMV raises and retirements, probably.

  • Sis Delish

    When the City annnounces it’s Pot Friendly, then the masses will notice and consider a visit… unfortunately, the “pot” referenced is in the asphalt.

    Seriously. Elyria is past-its-Prime. No amount of Taxation, Spending Cuts or combination thereof will return the city to its halcyon days of Manufacturing Mightiness and Economic Pre-eminence.

    LCCC Levies are a Joke. IF the educated administrators over there cannot get a happy “price-point” for the cost of that level of education, then citizens of the community will be fleeced ad infinitum. The old maximum, Supply & Demand obviously doesn’t pertain to subsidized educational facilities. If it did the campus on Abbe Road would be self-sufficient and no longer in need of public support. Unfortunately, its run by the same insiders that destroyed the rest of the County’s economic engines. (Here’s a hint: “D”)

    As some suggest, Elyria cannot even BE a farm-team for the communities to its East. There are no reasonable incentives to step one-foot inside its City Limits. The Political Families that have their names on so many public buildings contribute to its decline by continuing nepotism and graft–to the detriment of the residents who blindly Vote via name recognition, not knowing what damage-control they’ve just eliminated with their votes.

    The Route 57 Issue is funny. The City, and its former Mayor invested heavily in a road that, by itself, doomed the eoonomic prospects of the area. Its a “BYPASS”, folks and many do just that as a result. Nice work, make the roads nicer for the folks just “passing through”… that’ll spark a renaissance!

    The biggest failure of this whole road/pothole issue is something much bigger than even the City itself. Back when most of the Citizens of E-Town voted and then re-elected the current president, there was close to $1 Trillion in “stimulus and infrastructure” money spent by the current adminstration… “Shovel-Ready Jobs”! Remember? Well, a few visits to Elyria, a few speeches, a visit to a Burger Joint and presto: Economic Disaster for the Host City.

    No Infrastructure Money. No Shovel-Ready Jobs. No Stimulus (Unless you count the huge donation to the Democrat Party via the Labor Unions)…

    I could go on and on, but most won’t read more than a few sentences when they realize its not a comfort-zone post.

    The problems of Elyria are owned by its electorate. Funny a “D” is neither a Good Grade nor a Good Idea for future success.

    • golfingirl

      Way to go Sis!

      As painful as the truth may be to some, it remains the truth.

  • Arietta Sullivan

    all i know is my street was just done last year&it’s full of potholes,one of the worse streets,that i have to,personally,drive up&down..if i choose.instead i get over to the main road,by my house, just to avoid the holes.i KNOW.for a fact,the damage wasn’t all done by me just driving my car,on a road.i have to drive just like the next person.i could care less if the roads in Elyria ‘looks’ like the roads,in Avon&Westlake etc…a road is a road to me.(a comment below made me lol) all i can say,i feel the city may get more funds soon,to fix the roads that needs fix&if not,well,i’ll just continue trying to remember what streets to avoid. what else can any driver do.

    • stop ur whining part deux

      so your road was repaved on the cheap and did not last a year, but that dreaded 57 project that cost Elyria so much has had to have zero work done on it. Thank you for posting you help proved you that you always get what you pay for. You pay a little extra and you save having to go back and fix it all the time.

      • Pablo Jones

        I wonder if that was union work that did her road.

      • Arietta Sullivan

        oh for sure..it’s even one of my own motto..’do it right the first time&the problem stays resolved a lot longer’..if you do anything the cheap way then you have to invest more money&time into a project&it ends up costing double. the 57 project..all i can say..is driving 50-55 mph,i don’t have time to stop&smell the flowers,let alone,look at them.

    • ekwaykway

      What you mean by “done” I’m not quite sure. Low quality materials and
      poor installation is the only reason it didn’t survive one really bad winter. A license plate piggyback tax earmarked specifically for road repair may be the answer.

      • Arietta Sullivan

        ‘done’ as in it was fixed..smooth road,pot hole free,about a year ago&now,wow,it’s pretty holey out on the street of mine.

        • ekwaykway

          A re-paved street when done properly should last much longer than that! I feel for ya.

          • Arietta Sullivan

            oh gosh..yes.

  • SniperFire

    Last non-government worker or welfare recipient out of Elyria please unplug the median lights~!

  • Mark B

    I wonder how it would go over if we all told the city the we all mismanaged our budget the last few years and wasted all of our money and now we don’t have the money to pay our taxes so the city will just have to do without . I bet that will not work so well !!

    • Sis Delish

      Better, yet… everyone go to Donna’s Diner, order a great big meal, and talk about how poor they are when the Politician/Servers come by. “Sorry, no tip, I’m Broke”.

      I’m with Mark B on his scenario*. They cannot build a big enough jail in a short period of time and the line-of-credit for the Elyria Municipal Court at Staples is probably maxed-out, so they can’t buy new Case Folders or Copy paper to process all the Cases needed to be filed. I doubt, also, that the Court would want to work that hard…

      *These, of course, are simply scenarios if implemented, would come true.

  • Kevin Caruso

    So many comments on State rt. 57. I won’t go there. The tragedy is watching how the street dept. fixes the pot holes. The truck pulls up, workers grab a couple of shovel fulls of cold patch, throw it in a hole filled with water, smack it with a shovel a few times and moves on to the next one. This method doesn’t work. It has never worked. In a week or two, car and truck tires have squished all the cold patch out, and the hole is back. There are ways to fix the holes permanently, even in the winter time and the city (street dept.) knows it.

  • rob

    Its funny that people are so pissed off about flowers and the 2 full time guys on the city crew who do miscellaneous jobs within the city who have to pick up the landscaping responsibilities a couple times a year, when they probably had nothing better to do anyway. Yet, if you pick your head up a little higher, you’ve got a major employer of 450+ retail workers who dont make enough to get off of public assistance! They shouldnt earn like doctors or nurses, however mega stores are a no loss proposition when they build! So what they have to make a capital investment to start up, right? I would love to know more about the major tax breaks they recieved to increase their worth with money from our community. 10, 15 years? In 20 years your going to be looking past the flowers at Halloween, USA. Either because its going to look empty and spooky, or its October and it literally is a pop-up Halloween USA.

    • golfingirl

      Difference is the “Mega” stores do not use tax dollars to run their business. They assume the risk and run their business in a profitable manner, or they go out of business.

      Their employees are all employees at will and have made the decision to work there. Walmart is not a benevolent organization, like the Rockefeller Foundation, they are in it to make a profit. Period!

      Not one should even have to apologize for making a profit, that is the basis of a capitalistic country. They provide tax dollars to a city, they don’t take them from a city.

      • rob

        No offense but your an idiot. When someone who works “Full time” 32 hours a week and brings home 270 dollars pre tax, maybe a single mom or whatever the case , who do you think is paying the grocery bill? Not the multi-billion dollar Wal-Mart, you and I do. Not only that, you buy their groceries at the very place they work! You better find someone much more stupid than i to talk with if you want to feel smart. About taxes when walmart threatened their way through the surrounding communities with shutting down the midway location upon plans to build a super store, they stuck a hard one right thru the center of elyria and got the tax rate down to nothing. Im not even trying to throw rocks at Wal-Mart but their has to a point at which they have become wealthy enough to appreciate the people that work day in and day out to get them there. Mother and 3 children, mother makes 240 a week after taxes, maybe ohio gives her a food stamp card with 350 dollar’s or whatever the going rate is, she spends that at walmart, and the tax payers paid her wage, personal tax burden, employer tax burden and benefits. For at least a full week.

        • golfingirl

          Your notion that all the workers at Walmart are doomed to a life of low wages is misguided. Many of these are students or part-time workers, who hopefully will go on to do other things later in life.

          Those that don’t wouldn’t necessarily have done anything better had Walmart not moved into in their town. What is your evidence to suggest that these life-long, low-wage workers would magically benefit from the absence of a Walmart?

          They would simply be life-long, low-wage workers with some other retailer.

          If they are capable, or motivated, to become more skilled, they would do so with or without Walmart’s presence. How is Walmart holding them back?

          Why should Walmart be responsible for the choices a single mother of three has made in her life? Do they owe her something beyond what the free market says she is worth?

          Workers who have more skills and more education are paid better, whether or not they work for a local company or a national corporation. That has always been the case, and will always remain the case.

          If you have an issue with the tax breaks a city grants to large companies of all types, I suggest you blame it on your local politicians, not the company who is always willing to take it. If they paid more in taxes, it would just be wasted by the local politicians anyway.

          Getting back to the original article. My guess is if Walmart did not receive tax breaks from the city of Elyria, they still wouldn’t have the money to fix their “potholes.”

          So remind me again how this relates to the City of Elyria having a mere $24k to fix their streets.

          • rob

            You want me to tell you why I feel that Elyrias largest and highest profit generating retail tennant, biggest contributor to potholes in Elyria, biggest lobbyists for the major changes to SR57 as a condition of their placement in Elyria, should be looked at over a half mile of less than spectacular flower beds while we talk about having a budget that can’t sustain our current conditions? Or why I have pointed out the fact that Wal-Mart is reaping great reward from our community, while contributing pennies, and the fact they don’t pay well enough to cover the grocery bill to the point that alot of their employees have to use public assistance, a tax supported supplement that gets budgeted every year and receives a dollar amount directly proportionate to its need? I guess the best answer is, its complicated, dont try to figure it out, these are problems with no answers, get mad at flowers. Your tax dollars are squandered by coorperations that dont operate in a responsible and moralistic manner.

  • golfingirl

    Okay, I think we have beaten this discussion to death.

    My observations:

    The overwhelming majority of the people here feel Elyria did not have their priorities in place when they chose to “decorate” Route 57 and should have done the basics, saving the money for other, more critical projects. (like filling in potholes).

    Some feel safety is an issue in the design. I feel potholes covering the other streets in Elyria likely creates a larger safety hazard to drivers than the design of a single roadway.

    A beautiful road into Elyria will attract people to town. I feel once they drive on the other roads, their impression of Elyria roadways will quickly change.

    A few feel since the the majority of the money for the Route 57 project came from the state, the residents are not paying for it. The money simply magically appears out of nowhere.

    Because a major employer in Elyria (Walmart?) underpays their employees, we have no right to question the city spending taxpayer money on a a project. (I really do not understand this one. A little help here?)

    The number of lights has been debated ad nauseum. Does it really matter? Given the city’s finances, maybe the drivers should just use their headlights.

    Taxes need to be raised to continue paying for poor choices by politicians. This seems counter-intuitive to me. Those who can afford to pay more will simply leave. The tax rates are already higher than in communities which are prospering. (Rocky River)

    It does seem this is a “road to nowhere.” Why not use state taxpayer monies where people actually want to live?

    The only hope this city has is through private investment, not government support. I believe history has proven this to be true, in Elyria and other cities.

    When all is said and done, Elyria has $24k to fix their roads. Next year, they will probably have even less, and the next year…..you get the point.

    $24k won’t even buy the lounge chairs to sit out by the new Avon pool.

    I hope I am wrong, but folks, it does not look like Elyria has a very bright future. It has been mismanaged, overrun by thugs and gangs, high crime rates and people who believe entitlements are owed them. This is not a good combination and leads me to believe the future is not very promising.

    To all the lifelong, or long-term Elyria residents, I do feel for you. It is sad, but I also suggest you consider your living options moving forward as well. Put up the white flag and get out of town.

  • ekwaykway

    A city road crew calls their boss, who is late, in a panic. We’e on site and we got no shovels! Don’t worry I’ll be there soon the boss replies. In the mean time, just lean on each other.

    • golfingirl

      Normally they are leaning on their shovels. I suppose this time, at least they have an excuse for not working.

  • LugNutt

    With the out of control taxes they charge to live in this $hith@le, they can afford to fix this problem! Stop cold patching, it doesn’t do any good past the first day! Save the money and do it correctly the first time! Can’t wait to get out of this town!!!!!