August 20, 2014

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Self-defense shooter to receive his gun back

ELYRIA — A county judge has ordered Elyria police to return a .45-caliber pistol to a Water Street man who used the weapon to shoot and kill an intruder in his home more than a year ago.

Lorain County Common Pleas Judge John Miraldi ruled that there was no reason not to return the gun to Jack Dillon, who was cleared of wrongdoing in the incident by a county grand jury last year.

Prosecutors didn’t oppose the return of the gun, which Dillon used to shoot 29-year-old Jeffrey Carson on Oct. 19, 2012, said Dillon’s attorney, Paul St. Marie.

“He was under no other disability that would prevent him from having a gun,” St. Marie said.

County Prosecutor Dennis Will has said the grand jury that reviewed the case determined the shooting fell under the “castle doctrine,” under which people are allowed to defend themselves within their own homes if they fear for their lives.

Dillon and his wife, Linda Dillon, both reported that they feared for their safety.

Dillon’s 52-inch flat-screen television was stolen the night before the shooting during a burglary at his house, police said.

The couple told police that they believed the burglar had entered the house through the front door. The next night, they left a window unlocked and set up a smaller television on their empty entertainment center.

The Dillons were sleeping on the floor of their dining room when Linda Dillon noticed a tapping noise. Jack Dillon told police he stood up and saw Carson holding the family’s Wii game system.

Jack Dillon reported that he told Carson to stop, but instead “he turned, came towards me and that’s when I fired at him.” Dillon said he fired six shots at Carson, who died from his injuries after being transported to the hospital.

An autopsy determined that Carson was shot five times and had alcohol, cocaine and Oxycodone in his system.

Contact Brad Dicken at 329-7147 or bdicken@chroniclet.com.

  • Don Grantzki

    Why should a honest citizen be required the expense of court costs in order to retrieve his or her property from the city? Those who chose to remove it should be the ones to bare the cost.

    • proccw

      actually don jeff carsons family should be the ones to bare the cost. if it hadn’t been for him we wouldn’t have any costs and our lives would not have been turned upside down. but we really do appreciate your support!

  • RE Hafner

    Why was his firearm confiscated by the badge carrying clowns in the first place?

    • Spec440

      Oh, I don’t know. Maybe because it was used to kill another human being and there was an investigation. Crazy, I know.

      • LibertyFirst

        And as soon as he was cleared of ‘wrongdoing’ – it should have been returned. IMMEDIATELY.

        • Barry Hirsh

          Yes. Absolutely.

          • Zen Grouch

            If the police are holding evidence isn’t it up to the court system to allow them to release that evidence?

            I would hope so anyway.

          • Barry Hirsh

            As soon as the grand jury returned a “no bill”, there was no action pending, hence no reason for the police to keep the gun another minute, much less a year.

          • Zen Grouch

            Just because there was as you said, “no action pending” are you saying that this precludes any future actions?

            What is to keep the feds from filing civil rights charges?

            Could happen, if the dead burglar would have been Black.

          • Barry Hirsh

            Two things:

            1) Jurisdiction. The feds didn’t have custody of the weapon, and anyway….

            2) Civil rights cases are civil actions, not criminal.

          • Zen Grouch

            Are you even old enough to know who Rodney King was?

          • proccw

            Barry thank you for your support. we sincerly do appreciate it. but please don’t even waste your breath on this zen grouch because he is truely is not worth your time. why would he even bring up race in the first place?

          • Barry Hirsh

            Because when they hold only tres over deuces, they always play what they’ve come to believe is the trump card.

      • RE Hafner

        Confiscation upon speculation. Now that is a good one. If I read this right he was never charged.

        • Barry Hirsh

          No, evidence in a shooting.

          There is nothing unconstitutional or untoward about this, at all.

      • proccw

        it was used to DEFEND a wife and grand daughter from thief that had no business being where he was doing what he was doing. crazy huh?

        • Spec440

          While that is true, there was still a homicide committed, which is illegal and needs to be investigated. Now, there are affirmative defenses which came into play in this situation and it all worked out. I’m behind the homeowner. He acted correctly. I am so pro 2A that my friends are sick of hearing about it. With that said, I have no problem at all with the way things played out here.

          • proccw

            you are very correct BUT when someone comes into a dwelling uninvited and is told to stop and continues to lunge towards you then realistically that person has committed suicide. but I do see your point and sincerely appreciate your support.

  • golfingirl

    I would hate for them to take my .45. That would leave me with only 17 other handguns in the house.

    Personally, I prefer to keep my Benelli M2 semi-auto 12 gauge at the bedside.

    Hard to miss when you can fire off 7 rounds in 7 seconds.

    But it does leave such a mess to clean up in the morning.

    He must have been a good shot, hit him 5 times. I would think this qualifies him for the advanced marksmanship badge.

    • Bob Sweatt

      close-quarters situation, He would of have to be blind to miss. Or he is a very good shot. You decide

      • proccw

        bob I certainly hope this never happens to you and your family. yes it was close quarters but believe me you have no idea what it is like to be in that situation. no he’s not blind and yes he is a very good shot. nothing to decide really.

        • Barry Hirsh

          Quite. It’s really easy to armchair quarterback.

          “Why, if that’d happened to ME I’d have….”

          Sheeeyeah. Right.

          Until you’ve been in a situation where your sphincter puckers up, you are merely speculating about something of which you literally know nothing. (impersonal “you”)

    • Really?

      Bob I would guess GolfinGal was being facetious by the content of her entire post. Great post by the way.

      • golfingirl

        Yes I was. I spend a lot of time at the shooting range in the winter, and the driving range in the summer.

        And yes, I do work full-time and go to school as well. (Thought I would throw that in so some here don’t call me “spoiled.”)

        Anyway, even at close range, a .45 is not an easy gun to handle. My S&W 1911SC, a .45, is my favorite handgun though. But for home defense, the old shotgun still works best! Especially when it is a semi-automatic.

        Yes, I was being facetious.

    • Guest

      Bob I would guess Golfin is being facetious by the entire content of her post. Great post by the way.

    • alreadyfedup1

      and recommended by the Vice President of the United States!!!!!! Also a really NICE shotgun.

      • golfingirl

        Biden is such a joke.

        Fire both rounds of a double barrel shotgun into the air, your gun is now empty and you are left defenseless. Makes sense to me!

        I assume he is protected by a little more than a shotgun, capable of holding only two rounds. Easy to say, when you don’t have to worry about defending yourself.

        • Barry Hirsh

          Biden is a poopstinker.

          Besides being dumb, he’s ugly, too.

        • Zen Grouch

          If you can’t take care of an intruder in your home with 2 shotgun blasts you need to spend more time at the range…

          …oh yeah, plus, they got this thing where you can reload double barrel shotguns now.

          • golfingirl

            Unless there are three intruders, as in my case.

            Besides, why reload when I can keep 7 in the magazine tube and another in the chamber?

          • Zen Grouch

            How do you tell the difference in intruders and your kids when you’re blasting away in the middle of the night?

            I thought more than 3 in the chamber was illegal with shotguns? But there must be exceptions if they make the gun.

          • golfingirl

            Only one in the chamber at a time. The others are in the magazine tube. You can get extension tubes which hold many more shells. In fact, my step-father is a gun collector and has a Kel-Tel which holds 15 rounds!
            (I think it is a Kel-Tec?)

            My arrangement:

            First two shells are loaded with #6 Birdshot. Just to give someone a sporting chance. Won’t hit any vital organs, but the sound and pain will likely scare them off.

            Next 4 shells are OO Buckshot, likely would only need one, if only one intruder.

            Final shell is a Hornady Slug. Just in case. Sort of like an insurance policy in case they don’t stop. I pity any person who gets hit by this one. Problem is it would go straight through them and the wall behind them as well.

            I also shoot skeet, so I doubt I would ever need to use more than a couple shells.

            Finally, no kids living at home, so that is not a concern. All guns are always locked, 2000 pound safe bolted into concrete, except the one brought out before bedtime. We are gun safety nuts.

          • Zen Grouch

            Safety is good!

            I was shocked at the number of women with children and unlocked guns in Lorain that I’ve tried to convince to get some simple locks for their guns.

            They all had the same excuse of not wanting to take 3 or 4 seconds to unlock the gun they would need right that second.

            Don’t know what in the heck they were expecting…

            BTW… when was the last time anyone in Lorain County was killed by a home invader?

            **there’s a fine line between caution and paranoia**

          • proccw

            PLEASE do not argue with this guy. he is not worth your time. he knows everything about nothing and he makes that very clear by his uneducated comments! he has made threats towards me in the past. he is real brave behind his keyboard but i would put money on it he wouldn’t meet in a public place with me! and thank you for all of your support! it really is appreciated!

          • Tec Sg Beatty

            Just proves our point: you’re terribly ignorant about the subject of which you’ve chosen to enter into a discussion about.
            The “3 round rule” only applies if you are hunting migratory game birds. Unless you have malevolent geese and ducks rampaging through your house (or, most probably in your case, your mom’s basement) you have no 3 round restriction(s).
            Weren’t you characterized in a Monty Python movie?

          • Tec Sg Beatty

            And one other minor detail, which also shows your lack of basic firearms knowledge: having over 50 years experience with firearms, 2 decades of military experience (Small Arms Expert rating), 12+ years as a qualified cop, and certified firearms instructor, I’VE NEVER SEEN A FIREARM THAT WILL CHAMBER MORE THAN 1 ROUND AT A TIME.
            But, aside from this experience, what the Hell would I know?

          • Zen Grouch

            **I’VE NEVER SEEN A FIREARM THAT WILL CHAMBER MORE THAN 1 ROUND AT A TIME.**

            Yo’ ‘New School!’

            In your 50 years of firearms “experience” you’ve never seen a double barrel shotgun, side by side or over and under, where 2 shells are chambered at the same time?

            **Final Jeopardy countdown music…**

          • Tec Sg Beatty

            But never more than 1 In a chamber, moron.

          • Zen Grouch

            Now you’re saying there are no firearms that have more than one chamber?

            Hey… look… what ever makes you feel better about being owned.

          • Tec Sg Beatty

            No, I’m saying that ONE CHAMBER can only hold ONE ROUND.

          • Zen Grouch

            I’m not arguing with what you’re saying now, I’m just having fun rubbing your face in what you said:

            **I’VE NEVER SEEN A FIREARM THAT WILL CHAMBER MORE THAN 1 ROUND AT A TIME.**

            And you call me a moron…

          • Tec Sg Beatty

            Why, yes, I did. And I still do, based upon your asinine comments on this blog. Those like yourself aren’t worth wasting time talking to.
            Conversation over.

          • Zen Grouch

            I did say there must be exceptions, since they do make the guns. But I guess you gotta grab your victories and savor them whenever one falls into your lap.

          • Zen Grouch

            **Weren’t you characterized in a Monty Python movie?**

            Didn’t you base your life on an Andy Griffith Show spinoff?

            **gaw-aaa-aaah-lee!**

          • Tec Sg Beatty

            Nope. Based my life on REALITY, spaceboy. And you?

          • Zen Grouch

            A lot of things are based on reality, but not quite there…

            …like your life, the way you remember it.

          • Zen Grouch

            …at this point, way more than I really care to.

          • Tec Sg Beatty

            So, when is the last time you were in a self defense situation, Einstein?
            I’ve been there, and done that, and trust me, you have no idea what the Hell you’re talking about.

          • Zen Grouch

            Admittedly, it’s been a while since I’ve erased anybody.

            However, I did know enough about the situation to tell the rookie cops I was breaking in, to not kill unless you absolutely have to.

            I’d seen too many of ‘em who became cops either so they could beat the hell out of blacks, or see what it’s like to kill a guy. Talkin’ to ‘em is like talking logic to a Republican’t.

            Sure, they’d be cleared of all wrong doing, usually, but we’d know that many of the killings were totally unnecessary.

            Those are the killings that would eat at some of the guys. One who was a friend before he killed the first of something like 5 or 6 guys, in situations where killing wasn’t necessary, came to my house and started talking about how the ghost of those he killed won’t let him sleep. Dude went bye-bye…

            He was a good guy, but his curiosity really messed him up good.

            Probably like the guy who laid in wait behind an unlocked window will suffer in the future.

            The one thing about snuffing an a-hole, is the feeling of permanence that stays with you. So, you better be freakin’ certain that you have only one way out before you pull the trigger.

            Anyway, you asked, Chuckles.

          • Tec Sg Beatty

            What the Hell are you smokin’, boy?

          • Zen Grouch

            If only you could comprehend, Gramps.

          • Tec Sg Beatty

            Well, at least you have one thing right; I am a grampa, of 5 beautiful gifts of the Lord.
            And what would I need to comprehend, boy?

          • Zen Grouch

            Why ask me?

            I was talking about what is beyond your comprehension…

            …not what you “need” to comprehend.

          • Starryeyes63

            Zen id a “Top Cop” at least according to his old posts….. He believes only Military & cops need weapons. I saw a movie once where that happened it was called “Schindler’s List”

          • proccw

            you can’t argue with ignorance…just saying. this guy has made threats against me in the past. brave behind the keyboard. would like to meet him in public…bet he wouldn’t thank you for all of your support! we do appreciate it.

          • Zen Grouch

            Which guy has made threats against you?

            I sure want to avoid that guy!

          • proccw

            you my friend! why don’t you meet me at mcdonalds uptown Elyria at noon tomorrow? I bet your not so brave when you don’t have your keyboard to hide behind…just saying.

          • Zen Grouch

            I just wanted to know who made the threats against you, you felt so viable that you just had to tell others about…

            …why would I want to meet up with a cowardly liar?

          • bdid.d

            Please don’t resort to petty arguments and threats.. it truly discounts anything else you have said… before that I was on the same page…

          • Zen Grouch

            Sounds like someone’s trying to set me up.

            Suggesting threats from me, then when called on it, refusing to come out and directly state that I’ve made threats. **Flat out lie.

            Then asking to meet, where surely this person will be overcome by fear and be forced to shoot, my dumb a**. **Paranoid and crazy.

            Does this sound like a person(s) incapable of laying in wait after premeditatedly setting a trap in order to shoot an unarmed person 5 times times, rather than just asking them to set the electronic item they were in the process of stealing down, and wait for the police?

            If I were related to the Carson, I’d check out the viability of bringing the Feds in to investigate this shooting.

          • Guest

            I just wanted to buy you a cup of coffee! I truly wouldn’t waste a bullet on you. I figured I could bend over and see what you had for me. remember that statement? you really are a nut case my friend. and I am in the process of investigating you so you might want to watch what you say. you seriously DO NOT know what you are talking about. I will be praying for your soul though because that is the kind of person I am.

          • Zen Grouch

            To avoid confusion, Disqus notified me of this message from “proccw” although the name here is guest…

            I believe you are a dangerous person capable of lying about me “threatening you” and capable of premeditatedly taking the life of another.

            So how exactly did I threaten you?

          • John Boy

            Zen can’t be wrong, He has a super-sized brain and is the smartest guy in the world. They have changed the name of Mensa International to Zen International. He’s been keepin it fresh since 2014. Stay fresh my friend.

          • Zen Grouch

            Maybe it does take my big ol’ Mensa brain to keep it fresh when dealing with the likes of you…

            …I see your peanut sized processing unit is stuck in one of two unbearably nauseating slow speeds, and they are stale and shameless.

          • John Boy

            I’m sure you have thought of this one already considering that super sized brain of yours, but what do you think of this for “Zen Signs”. We could sell signs to homeowners and they could post them at their homes to have the criminal element stay away from their property. Not only would it completely wipe out crime we could also make a bundle, as you would say Rush Limbaugh type coin.
            Try this one on for size as well. We could have Tesla do their remake of “Signs” for our commercials. I see big things for this company, of course with that intelligence of yours I’m not telling you anything you don’t know already.
            “Zen Signs” Keeping it Fresh since 2014. Stay fresh my friend!

          • Tec Sg Beatty

            Yeah, proccw, he’s a typical keyboard commando. Very brave while mommy protects the upstairs while he’s having his cookies and milk in the Basement Redoubt (made with the cushions from the couch).

    • Barry Hirsh

      Generally, they will get a warrant and take all your guns until the matter is resolved, so I doubt that your “collection” would do you any good.

      • golfingirl

        Would they also take my crossbow? Maybe even the knives from my kitchen drawer? My kid’s scissors?

        But, if I have no criminal charges pending, or against me, I would simply go out and purchase another one. I have filled out enough ATF Form 4473′s to know I would still be allowed to purchase.

        I would take the chance, rather than be defenseless. Like they say, “it is better to be judged by 12 men, than carried by 6.

        • Barry Hirsh

          It’s the set-aside(s) that you “don’t” have that fill this purpose.

          • golfingirl

            Agree. Always carry a spare.

    • Mike wowk

      Golfingirl….I’ve told my girlfriend that if there is an intruder in our home and I’m not there to handle it she will have to get her gun and then make a REALLY DIFFICULT DECISION…. What color carpet are we going to pick out the next morning.

      • golfingirl

        Funny. Just want to keep the collateral damage to a minimum.

        Don’t want to hit grandma’s keepsakes!

  • BooneDawg

    genetic cleansing at it’s finest! I’d like to donate a box of 45 ACP to the shooter!

    • Arcadia

      Lets all let them know that we work hard for what we have! Great job Mr. Dillon.Put me down for two more boxes ;-)

      • tj21269 .

        Bottom line…… You break in my house uninvited in the middle of the night and you have sealed your own fate…… Guns , bats, knives, poison…. They all apply

  • Barry Hirsh

    So, why did it take A YEAR to get his gun back?

    It should have been returned the very next day after the grand jury returned a “No Bill”.

    THE VERY NEXT DAY.

    • Tec Sg Beatty

      Easy, Barry: it’s OHIO. The same state where I was tried and CONVICTED (minor misdemeanor, thankfully) for carrying a concealed handgun in a public park in Toledo in 2005. Although I was LICENSED BY THE STATE TO DO EXACTLY THAT, it didn’t matter to Judge Gene Zmuda of the Toledo Municipal Court.
      Google “Bruce Beatty Concealed Carry Ohio” and read the story. What a crock of meadow muffins.
      But, I still haven’t paid the fine, and the Ohio Legislature, apparently none too pleased with several cites, towns, and villages IGNORING THE LAW, passed a preemption statute, which has withstood 2 Ohio Supreme Court challenges, and obliterated dozens and dozens of local laws and ordinances like “Saturday Night Special” bans, “assault weapon” bans, “handgun owner I.D.” laws, magazine capacity restrictions, etc., etc.
      Who REALLY won, Judge?
      And I still refuse to pay your frickin’ fine, TYRANT.

      • Tec Sg Beatty

        And this, my friends, is why I now reside in the Great State of Texas!

      • Barry Hirsh
        • Tec Sg Beatty

          Thanks, Barry. If you ever get to Texas, the first several rounds are on me.

      • 2111

        Can you elaborate about the magazine restrictions? I was under the impression that we have a state law magazine restriction that limits us to standard magazine capacities which subjects us to being charged with a felony for having large capacity magazines.

        • Tec Sg Beatty

          Well, that depends. The “3 round” restriction that that moron referred to is addressed in federal law regarding migratory bird hunting.
          Any other magazine capacity restrictions apply only to local or state laws passed by the dumbasses that were elected by an ignorant electorate that tolerate such bullshit.

          • 2111

            You were alluding to affecting change in laws but yet we still have a restriction in Ohio for large capacity magazines that make it a felony state wide to own them under the right circumstances. We are limited by state law to only standard capacity magazines. Calling the electorate ignorant is kind of insulting and not needed especially since you were once one of the folks making up the electorate in Ohio.

          • golfingirl

            Not true!

            You can go to any gun store and buy 100 round magazines LEGALLY! I have one, just for kicks, for a .22 rifle I own. It is called a “drum magazine.”

            Have at least two dozen .223/5.56 thirty capacity magazines as well.

            My Sig P226 holds 20 x 9mm.

            There are NO RESTRICTIONS on high capacity magazines in Ohio. None! Period!

            Are you confusing Ohio with New York or California?

            What is your definition of “high capacity??”

          • 2111

            You are absolutely wrong about Ohio having no magazine restrictions.
            You can buy and own any size magazine sold regardless of capacity. 30 round
            magazines are standard capacity and there are no restrictions on those. If you
            own a large capacity magazine and load it with 31 rounds or more regardless of
            capacity and also put that magazine in a firearm you are committing a felony in
            the state of Ohio because by state law you have now turned that firearm into an
            automatic weapon. Please quit trying to put out wrong information concerning
            Ohio laws, it really makes it hard to give credibility to your other posts.

          • Zen Grouch

            As far as Ohio laws go, it’s possible she’s right about it being legal to own a magazine that’s larger than a .22 and holds over 31 rounds.

            It could become illegal though, once that magazine is placed on a firearm.

            Then too… this could be legal, if the firearm was a legally licensed fully automatic weapon, even though it may have a semi-automatic action.

            But I could be interpreting the laws wrong.

          • golfingirl

            You are correct that in Ohio, an automatic firearm means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading. The exception to this law is a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges. That is what I stated I own above.

            I do stand corrected however on the 30 capacity limit on other calibers. I have never seen magazines which hold more than 30 rounds for .223/5.56 firearms, probably because I have no desire to own one.

            It does amaze me that lawmakers would think a semi-automatic firearm some how becomes an automatic when the magazine is not what they define as a standard capacity.

            People who shoot, consider an automatic as any firearm which can discharge more than one round with a single trigger pull. Adding addition rounds in a magazine does not allow this to happen.

            Plus, by simply attaching two inverted magazines together, reloading another 30 rounds takes less than 2 seconds. This is legal, since only 30 rounds are “attached” to the firearm at any time. I guess this 2 seconds reverts an “automatic” back to a semi-automatic. Makes no sense to me, but whoever said gun laws do?

            Finally, since I have an NFA Stamp on my fully automatic M4 A1 carbine, I am not committing a felony, regardless how many rounds I would choose to load. Though 30 is plenty for me. An expensive process, but a lot of fun to shoot!

            Peace

          • golfingirl

            2111,

            In Ohio it is not illegal to own or possess magazines with a capacity greater than 30 rounds; so long as they are kept separate and apart from a firearm designed to accept it.

            The magazine only violates Ohio law once the magazine is inserted into the firearm, “adapting” the firearm to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading.

            I believe I stated there are NO restrictions on magazine size in Ohio, absolutely none. You can buy and own them, which is what I said above. Just can’t use them, unless it is a .22 caliber.

            Another brilliant gun law!

          • Tec Sg Beatty

            I beg to differ, 2111. In Ohio, you can own any capacity magazine you care to. However, it is against the law under Ohio Revised Code to have any magazine loaded with over 30 rounds, which state law then erroneously declares such magazine to be a “machinegun”. The emphasis is on the term “loaded”.
            So, in other words, when I lived in Ohio, I owned magazines with 32 round capacity, which was entirely Legal, as far as ownership. Once I loaded the 31st round, I was in technical violation of the law.
            As to the electorate being ignorant, let me clarify: when the majority of the minority that even bothers to vote elect the traitors, liars, thieves, criminals, perverts, and tyrants that have been elected at the local, state, and federal levels, I’LL STAND BY MY STATEMENT regarding the majority of that minority.

          • tomfeher

            I have 10 round .45 mags. I would fire 9 into the intruder. The last one would be for me cuz if I hit them with 9 .45 rounds and they are still coming I’m pretty sure they will not be happy and just want to hug me!

  • proccw

    I don’t know why the chronicle keeps saying we left the window unlocked. yes we did FIND a window unlocked but it was immediately relocked and the safety pins pulled out. the safety pins are now broken off. So what does that say? we are just glad to have this all behind us and are very thankful for the EPD, the dispatcher, the detectives, our attorney, the prosecutor and all of our family and friends and even strangers who have given us support through this whole ordeal.

    • Barry Hirsh

      Glad it all turned out OK, Jack.

      I’d be pissed that it took a year to get your gun back, though…

      • proccw

        got it back AND it was cleaned! thank you for your support

    • golfingirl

      The reason they say this is to make it look like you intentionally set-up this burglar to return, so you could use force against him.

      In some way, they would like others to believe you were responsible and it would have never happened if it were not exercising those archaic, ridiculous Second Amendment rights. You know, the ones written into the U.S. Constitution. Such a silly document anyway.

      Fact is, he was stealing to provide for his family because society has failed him. A compassionate person would have given him everything they own, even helping him carry out the door. Where is your compassion?

      Your typical anti-gun position by the C-T and most other media in this country.

      Good luck to you and your family. Hopefully you will never have to go through this experience again, but if so, it sounds like you will be prepared.

      • Zen Grouch

        **The reason they say this is to make it look like you intentionally
        set-up this burglar to return, so you could use force against him.**

        Another reason they may have said that, was because it was true, and the burglar was set up and killed by some thrill seeker laying in wait.

        • proccw

          and you would know that….how?

          • Zen Grouch

            Because you’re way more transparent than you believe…

          • Starryeyes63

            Zen pretends he is a “Top Cop” he knows all. ( a legend in his own mind) BTW Good job protecting your loved ones.

    • Tec Sg Beatty

      Glad you survived, and did the right thing. My sincere regrets that you had to take a life, but remember: IT WASN’T YOUR CHOICE, IT WAS HIS.
      I get to Ohio on occasion; do you need any ammo?

      • proccw

        thank you so much for all of your support…I think we are good on ammo though.

  • mike

    6 Times? I think thats a little much. He should be in jail right now.

    • golfingirl

      I am sorry, but you do not check the intruder’s pulse after each shot to determine if he is still alive, or capable of causing harm to your family.

      My .45 holds eight rounds, and he would have been on the receiving end of all eight if he came into my house.

      Really? So exactly why should the number of rounds fired be a determinant in deciding if the VICTIM should be prosecuted?

      Maybe the Castle Doctrine law needs to be rewritten.

      First shot needs to be in the left leg, if the criminal continues to advance at the rate of more than 8 inches per second, a second shot may then be fired, but must limited to an area of the body where not vital organs are in jeopardy. A third shot may be fired, but only if…….you get the point.

      Ridiculous! You break into another’s home, you open the door to whatever comes through. It may be a defenseless homeowner, but be on notice criminals, the homeowner maybe armed and not afraid to use all the fire power at their disposal.

      If unwanted intruders enter my home in the middle of the night, I prefer to meet them with the words, “I have a gun,” not the words “please don’t hurt my family.” And if I have 8 rounds, I am spending them all.

    • Barry Hirsh

      Condemned by his own actions.

    • tomfeher

      You fire dead center mass until you no longer feel you or your loved one’s are threatened. Like golfingirl says if you check his pulse then fire again, well that’s not a good idea

  • proccw

    ok i am going to make a statement…since it is impossible to keep up with all of the comments. jack and i are truely greatful for everyones support. besides our faith, our family and our friends it is people like you that have gotten us through all of this! for the few that we can count on one hand that have given their opinions on this whole thing that have no idea what it is like to have this happen in their lives make no difference to us. until you have your 10 year old grand daughter find you have been robbed. for a person to have to take a life defending your wife and grand daughter. to not know if he had stood over your grand daughters bed or your wifes bed as they were sleeping with impure thoughts. to go months without sleep because you don’t know what is coming next. the money we have had to put out because someone felt it was his right to take things that someone else had WORKED all his life for. this is all things the paper WON’T print because that wouldn’t sell their paper. the gun is important to us ONLY because it was a gift from our son so lesson learned don’t use a weapon that has meaning because you do take the chance you won’t get it back. we would also like it to be known that EPD, from the dispacher to the detectives, dennis will, the grand jury and our attorney treated us with nothing but absolute respect through out this whole ordeal. we are very thankful for this! THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT!

    • golfingirl

      Well said!!

  • tomfeher

    Zen I like how you act so stupid just to try and get a raise out of people. Uh you are acting ,right?

    • Starryeyes63

      No not acting he really is ….

  • Zen Grouch

    Rather than set a trap, clearly illuminating the new electronic schwag bait, unlocking my windows and laying in wait to kill the next thing moving…

    …I’d buy curtains and lock my windows.

    **I don’t get it, if they’re such tough guys, how come they get off on killing unarmed people?**

    • tomfeher

      READ! At the moment the dope head moved toward him, he had no idea they were unarmed. If you would have served in the military you would know you can kill a person without being “armed”