October 21, 2014

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Parents threaten to sink Elyria Schools renewal

Chris Sito

Chris Sito

ELYRIA — The creation of a gay and straight group for students at Elyria High School has outraged a couple of longtime supporters who are now encouraging their friends to reject a must-needed renewal levy on the May ballot.

“I have supported everything for this school, this district, but I will not vote for a system that supports having a sex club in the school,” said Elyria parent Chris Sito, who is a board member for Elyria Little League East and whose children attend the school. “As long as the district supports this, I will make it known how I feel, will vote accordingly and will let others know they should do the same.”

The club, named “Allies,” allows students to “come together in an accepting and open environment intentionally designed to discuss topics directly related to both the gay and straight communities,” according to its announcement.

Started in recent weeks, it held its first meeting Wednesday and was attended by 27 students, said Superintendent Paul Rigda.

Prior to forming, it followed all school rules for a new student club including adopting rules, responsibilities and finding volunteer teacher advisers. The group also has a guidance counselor at the ready to talk to members about more sensitive issues.

“And, from what I’m hearing, students are talking among themselves and more students wish they would have attended the meeting,” he said. “When the kids first asked if they could organize this group, we were very concerned that it might incite bullying from fellow classmates. But we haven’t heard a thing from the kids.”

Typically, when students ask to create a club tied to sexual orientation, there is such pushback from school officials that the American Civil Liberties Union is called in to champion the students’ legal right to assemble.

“We are usually the ones telling people about federal law and letting them know there is nothing bad about telling students to treat each other with respect and tolerance,” said Nick Worner, spokesman for the ACLU of Ohio. “I applaud a district that does that without us stepping in.”

Worner, who learned of the Elyria High club when contacted by a reporter, said regardless of the district’s moral convictions about supporting the club, legally it must embrace Allies.

“They don’t have a choice,” he said. “They have to follow federal law. If students in the school can form extracurricular clubs for anything else, be it Spanish, computers or science, then the students can also form a gay-straight alliance. This goes beyond the district’s or one administrator’s personal opinion on tolerance. Schools cannot pick and choose what clubs they want to accept or deny.”

Sito said there are ways around promoting and endorsing such a group.

His Facebook profile picture is a banner that reads “Vote No on Issue 2.” His personal page, which is open to the public, is full of comments urging parents to stand up against the district.

“You people in Elyria need to start paying attention to what is being promoted in your school system,” he said in a post.

“Elyria High has now defined itself,” read another post. “It is now a system that has chosen to side with a very belligerent group of people who want their behavior “accepted” as “normal”.”

In that conversation, Bob DuPont, a longtime supporter of the district who has even co-sponsored a crowdfunding campaign to raise money to renovate the Elyria football stadium, said he opposes the group as well.

When reached Friday, he said he did not want to elaborate on his stance.

“People know how I feel, and I’ve put my opinion out there,” he said. “I don’t want to say anything more than what I put on Facebook.”

DuPont has been vocal on the social media site with his opinion that the club is promoting sex.
He has pledged to pull his yes vote for the district’s upcoming renewal issue on the May ballot.
The levy, which does not cost residents any more money, raises $12 million annually for the district.

“They just lost a lot of yes votes, including mine,” he posted on a thread discussing the club’s creation. “I was putting a sign in my yard not now!”

Elyria High Principal Tom Jama said the school has myriad different clubs for the more than 2,000 students in the school.

There is a Christian prayer group, French and Spanish clubs and even a group for students interested in anime — Japanese cartoons.

“Our goal is to get as many kids as possible involved in clubs or organization that fit their interests or needs,” he said. “When kids are involved in an organization, it helps them academically, gives them a sense of school spirit and pride, gets them involved in their school and community and helps build partnerships with other students.”

Despite claims by Sito that Allies is a sex group geared toward “five or six sexual situations or choices,” Jama said students do not talk about sex, and are not encouraged to have sex or experiment with sex.

“Absolutely not,” he said. “It’s about bringing all students together regardless of their sexual identity. It’s a club that treats every student as a human and equal and encourages students to be accepting of others.”

Elyria High has often been described by school officials as a place where every student can find their place. Rigda said legally the district has to accept Allies, but for him it goes beyond just following the law.

“We are all about ensuring each child reaches his or her full potential — nowhere does it say if they agree with us or agree with our personal philosophy,” Rigda said.

Evelyn France, vice president of the Elyria school board, said the issue is one of life and death for her.

“I will not read another obituary from a child who does not feel accepted and sees suicide as their only way out,” she said.

According to a fact sheet from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, negative attitudes toward gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people put LGBT youth at increased risk for experiences with violence compared with other students. Violence can include behaviors such as bullying, teasing, harassment, physical assault and suicide.

The CDC encourages school districts to promote a positive school climate.

“For example, a study, found that, in schools with LGB support groups (such as gay-straight alliances), LGB students were less likely to experience threats of violence, miss school because they felt unsafe, or attempt suicide than those students in schools without LGB support groups,” said the CDC.

France said she plans to attend future Allies meeting as a representative of the school board.

“We are 100 percent behind the kids,” she said. “We want to show them we stand for tolerance, acceptance and support for all students.”

If the blowback on the district results in the renewal levy failures, both Rigda and France said they will not see it as a referendum on the district.

“I’m always disappointed when a levy fails, but if this levy fails because of something like this I would be disappointed for a whole other reason,” Rigda said. “It would not be a school issue. It would speak to a larger more pressing community issue.”

Sito, who also serves as a player agent for the Elyria Softball Organization, said he understands he could influence a very important levy issue for the district. Still, he stands behind his right to vote no.

“They have stepped way over the line with this one,” he said. “I 100 percent want it to go away so I can continue to support our district.”

Rigda said he will not be distracted from the levy campaign. Issue 2 is a renewal that will result in no additional tax dollars coming from residents.

“Anytime you have what we call organized opposition that concerns us,” he said. “But we have to stand firm on things like this. We are protecting the rights of our students, all of our students. Every single one needs to know they are not invisible.”

Contact Lisa Roberson at 329-7121 or lroberson@chroniclet.com. Follow her on Twitter @LisaRobersonCT.


  • Sean MacNair

    Dear Mr. Sito;
    Yeah, this little stunt just guaranteed that the next Allies meeting will get 100 attendees. Or more. And you’ve left a black mark on Little League East with this stunt. Good job there, guy.

    • Don Miller

      God bless you, Mr. Sito. Stand up for what you believe in and don’t let these blind fools with their secular humanism and their Hollywood brand of morality bully you.

      • SandyRavage

        Are you kidding me.

        • Don Miller

          Am I kidding you? What’s the matter, does the mere mention of God or the idea of morality upset you? I’m not the least bit surprised.

          • William_C_Diaz

            No, just your ignorance and small mindedness.

            Have a great day!

          • Don Miller

            Just personal insults? You can’t answer the simple question that I asked in my previous post? Why am I not surprised? it’s rather strange that people like you are trying to recreate Sodom and Gomorrah but are expecting a different outcome this time around.

          • SandyRavage

            No, stupidity upsets me. People disagreeing with you is not bullying. Real bullying is what gay/straights alliances exist to protect kids from.

          • woodyhaze

            Who cares?

          • SandyRavage

            Who cares whether kids are protected from bullying? I guess anybody who isn’t a sociopath really.

          • Don Miller

            Establishing clubs to promote an unhealthy, dangerous and immoral alternative lifestyle is done to protect our vulnerable and easily impressionable children? You’re a sick man — you really are.

          • SandyRavage

            Gay/straight alliances promote becoming gay about as much as an african-american cultural club promotes turning black.

          • Don Miller

            Wow, what a brilliant analogy. Promoting homosexual behavior is like having dark skin? So forming a club to encourage children to engage in sodomy is like forming a club that encourages African-Americans to wear African clothing and learn African languages? So tell us all about this “wonderful” homosexual culture that these “clubs” celebrate? We’re all very aware of what goes on in this unhealthy and destructive “culture” and the last thing our children need is to be exposed to this filthy garbage.

          • SandyRavage

            the last thing our children need is to be exposed to hateful bigots like you.

          • Don Miller

            Bigot? More name calling? Apparently, that’s all you have. Yes, I’m bigoted against the militant homosexuals who are pushing their destructive agenda on America. Now go back to your filthy bath house in downtown Cleveland and leave these children alone. For God’s sake, grow up and stop pushing crap on everyone.

          • SandyRavage

            If the shoe fits. There’s nothing militant about wanting a club to help keep gay teens safe.

          • Don Miller

            The militant homosexuals with their radical agenda are really all about keeping children safe? That’s their real agenda? Such ignorance in such a short post. The dark side of the homosexual lifestyle is seldom publicized — unhealthy sexual practices that I couldn’t post on this site without getting banned, a preference for the very young, promiscuity on an astonishing scale, a penchant for sexual encounters in public places such as bathrooms, high levels of mental disease, far higher levels of violence in relationships, astonishingly high incidents of a certain deadly viral disease, very high levels of drug use — none of these aspects ever see the light of day in the liberal press. More importantly, gay sex will kill more far gays than anti-gay slurs. That’s a fact. That’s what they need to teach in this gay sex club at Elyria High School. It you really cared about these children like you claim you do, then you need to educate yourself instead throwing your angry little insults at me.

  • oldruss

    It sounds as if the students at EHS formed this club as a support group. It was not instigated by the Board of Education, nor by the administration at EHS. For what it’s worth, I think they deserve our support, but in any case, the levy should not be tied to this organization’s formation. Let the voters decide the merits of the levy on its own.

  • The Thinker

    I will not support Little League East until this bigot is removed from the board.
    Bob and Chris – there is a big difference between having people assume your idiots and opening your mouths and proving it.

  • Becky

    It’s sad that kids can’t have a safe place to go to discuss narrow minded people like you Chris Sito. It’s obvious that using money as a threat makes you feel powerful, but I see weakness. I sure hope you don’t catch the gay. I will pray for you. WWJD?

  • Sis Delish

    Opinion Time:

    The two gentlemen who oppose this “club” should form their own “club” so folks like Becky, The Thinker, Sean MacNair and anyone else who isn’t tolerant of the Sito/DuPont position can use the same logic they use above to protect the Sito/DuPont’s from harm–where likeminded individuals can “talk” without criticism shown so far on this blog by the aforementioned posters.

    To those posters mentioned, pick up your rocks and get ready to toss them.

    P.S. Becky, that’s your answer to WWJD?

    • Sean MacNair

      Strap on a pair and use a real name, “Sis”.

      • Sis Delish

        Sis doesn’t use Strap Ons, but if she did, it wouldn’t be a pair, more like a plum.

        (a small sample, perhaps, of topics in the Allies Club meeting)

        • SandyRavage

          Shut up Chris.

          • Sis Delish

            Bee Ess Alert.

            Well, now… just goes to show how “tolerant” of comments, most likely allowed in the “newly formed Allies Club”, are being deleted here on the C-T Blog site.

            In response to Sean MacNair, were the editors of the C-T, or someone participating in this conversation online, shocked/offended/repulsed that I used the word “StrapOn” (an item more likely to be used by the LGBT community between same-sex females)?

            Obviously someone complained or the C-T decided to delete the entire post which was but two sentences in length. The deleted post suggested that Strap Ons are not a part of my attire, but if they were it would not be a pair, but a plum which would be strapped on… ooooohhh hush my mouth, such language!

            Did not Sean MacNair suggest that a Strap-on device be used only to have those comments survive the Intolerance Scapel of the complaint board? Yep.

            Did someone who is Tolerant of this type of language, most probably being used in the School by our little darlings who form a Club to discuss LGBT issues, complain to the C-T? Probably.

            Go ahead folks, get into full-attack mode, the Press is comfortably positioned to assist you in every way.

            Sad days indeed.

            Time for the C-T, its readers and the posters here to, (WARNING: Look away, a possibly offensive term is about to be used) “strap on a pair”… or two, or three.

          • SandyRavage

            Calm down Chris. Nobody’s going to read all that.

    • Barbara Radke

      I think what Jesus would do is say to Mr. Soto and those like minded people is What so ever you have done to the least of my brothers you have done to me. Easy.

      • Sis Delish

        I seem to recall something about “tossing the first stone”…. BR.

        • ekwaykway

          Thanks for the Python link. Can’t stop watching them!

          • Sis Delish

            I posted for The stone-throwers herein, but, alas it must have somehow offended. One of my all-time favorite Python scenes.

          • ekwaykway

            Some people just have no sense of humor…or sarcasam…or understanding of anything…etc…

          • Michael

            throwing stones and informing/educating (wow, there’s a pun) are but a fine line apart.

            Society doesn’t tolerate the sins of incest, pedophilia, murder, stealing via laws… it does of this sin.

            A sin is a sin. I chose and commit mine. I expect people to call me on it. Don’t give me some society name (bigot, etc) because I’m speaking truth.

        • Don Miller

          After tossing the first stone, I also recall the following the phrase: Go and sin no more. I guess the Sodom and Gomorrah crowd are having a gay ol’ time in Elyria.

      • Vision

        You should of wrote, “If Jesus had been real he would say…”.

        • ekwaykway

          Jesus is fake?

          • Vision

            If it makes you feel better…there’s no Allah or Hindu gods either. Perhaps Jesus of Nazareth and Muhammad did indeed exist, but they were just men. Not prophets or miracle makers, son of a god etc. I am truly sorry to be another who has told you the truth, after so many years of others being mislead and or lying to you, so you’d behave.

          • Sis Delish

            Takes a man to admit when he’s wrong…

            Perhaps is not a righting of a wrong.

          • Vision

            That’s the real reason religion has been taken out of the schools. Because they only teach things that have been proven as being real. Like dinosaurs, evolution, mathematics, english, and such. If they put god back in schools, they might as well teach that Harry Potter is real also.

          • Sis Delish

            I’m certain you would include Hollywood and Mylie Cyrus as part of your belief systems… for, they can be proven to be real.

          • Vision

            Well, um, sure. I guess. Makes sense, I suppose. I mean, we run things, things don’t run we. We don’t take nothing from nobody…”. And what is that smell ? Teen spirit ? Oh well, whatever, nevermind.

          • Sis Delish

            How ’bout that Purple Dino Barney… and those lovable Muppets… all sanctioned by the education industry as something that is “real”… PBS Endorsed! And, money-making, too!

            My guess is that Barney and The Muppets, as part of the verifiable “real” education conglomerate have out-earned most religious entities in the U.S.

          • Angie Climbintothetop Z

            Did you just say that PBS is somehow a negative thing? Listen Sister Christian, kids KNOW Barney and the Muppets are not REAL. They understand that they are puppets or costumes at a certain developmental stage. Wow! I’m completely supportive of your freedom in choice of religion. However, the fact that you are somehow perturbed by the fact that PBS and their characters make more money than religious entities is just plain unwarranted. These characters are not GODS or false GODS. They are voiced-over characters who communicate facts about arithmetic, phonetics, and colors. Where is there something in those basic concepts that small children should not learn? 0_o Don’t worry… I’ll wait…. hmm… still waiting…

          • Joe Smith

            My favorite is:
            CLOSE clop clop clop clop..FAR…clop clop clop clop CLOSE clop clop clop clop FAR

          • ekwaykway

            What a deep and dark cynical life you must lead. But hey to each his own. Right?

          • Joe Smith

            The plastic one on my dashboard is……just saying.

            I don’t care if it rains and freezes because I have my plastic Jesus…

            Kidding already!

    • Chris

      Well said sister. Way to call out the hypocrites. Most liberal people only see it there way and are NOT TOLERANT.

      • Apakal

        Are you completely out of your mind? You are directly and intentionally mislabeling and ostracizing an entire segment of the population on grounds that are not only fictitious, but potentially slanderous.

        Tolerance only applies when oppression or some sort of disenfranchisement are involved. You don’t get the benefit of tolerance when you are preaching bigotry, plain and simple.

        • Freeman63

          “Are you completely out of your mind?”

          That would suggest that a mind once existed. Unlikely.

        • Chris

          Your semantic raving proves my point Tolerant people don’t care what others believe or judge them for it. You have to agree to disagree, instead they (mostly so called liberal thinkers) use all the acronym government bodies mentioned above to weaken the groups they don’t agree with and then force their view. If that’s fictitious or slandering, then you friend have been blinded. You also need to brush up on your definition of slander.

          • Matt

            Tolerance is not the same thing as agreement. Just because a large group of people disagree with your beliefs does not mean they are being intolerant. No one is trying to deny you of those beliefs, which is much different from what you are promoting towards this group.

            Its simple really. You made comments, regardless of context or not, (because the comment itself is self-contextual) that were not only completely false and narrow-minded, but obviously homophobic and vilifying.

            You either make it a point to stand by your statements and take responsibility instead of claiming persecution by the opposition, or you could try to be an actual human being for five minutes, realize what you said was both wrong and ignorant, and make an apology.

          • Chris

            Apology for what? Speaking my mind. !st amendment. I’m not afraid of anything in this world including homosexuals. Tolerance is simply saying that I don’t agree, but you have the right to believe what you want. I don’t care either way. I am not trying to force anything down any ones throat. It’s not large groups that disagree, most I agree with. That puts me in the majority. It is only a few people like yourself that can’t get their way, so they do exactly what you are doing. DEFLECT. Did you learn this from Mr. Obama and his cronies or are you self taught to think that way. Humans are all flawed, get of your perch. And what do you mean by “regardless of context”? Context is everything. It is how you get to the point!! Not deflect!! Are you creating a new definition?

      • CalamariHari

        “THERE way”???? LOL! Chris – again, I just shake my head. And “YOUR” (revised – just so you’ll understand) grammar SUCKS!!!

    • Becky

      I prayed for them. Do you need anything else from me? If so, just let me know. :)

    • Becky

      You are not the only person that gets to have an opinion. Nothing would ever change if we didn’t oppose it. Being called narrow minded is not the worse thing in the world. (I thought that closed minded was a better fit but wanted to be nice) I have also noticed, (Chris is that you?) that you criticize everyone in opposition with your opinion. My guess is to intimidate people out of commenting. I am entitled to speak just as you are. I’m happy to say that your comments just aren’t very popular. You can attack me as often as you want. I can handle it, just leave the students that you choose to target alone. It’s hard enough to be a student these days without the school board members publicly ridiculing them. You have yourself a great day, and I will continue to pray you as well as the students involved.

  • Bob Owens

    This is petty and small. This is 2014. You don’t have to embrace the group, just acknowledge the need.

  • Mallorie Sand

    I graduated from Elyria High in 2005 and there was a gay-straight alliance back then…. why is this suddenly an issue?

    • Becky

      I thought the same thing. He must have just found out about it, or maybe they just reformed it?

    • Angie Climbintothetop Z

      Several of his children attended EHS during the time span of the GSA you are talking about ^ (’07 graduate). That just makes him sound even more ignorant. Ohhh you were SOoOooO involved… really? How come you didnt try and stop it then?!

    • Matthew Hawley

      Because one person wants to be an a-hole but he is hurting the school his kids goto

  • ekwaykway

    There would be no need for support groups if parents simply taught their children to respect themselves and others. Sadly this concept went out the window a long time ago!!!!

  • John Lawson

    What about the rights of the parents to morally educate
    their children in accordance with the mandates of their own conscience and/or
    religious predisposition? Aren’t the liberals always complaining that religious
    morality should be barred from the public school agenda? Yet this particular
    view, that homosexuality should be accepted as normative by all, which is
    repugnant to the majority of people, is taught to children who have no business
    being educated about ANY brand of sexual preference, let alone one that is seen
    by so many to be inappropriate.

    • FoodForThought63

      If you are so effective at educating your children in your morals, then you shouldn’t have to worry about a thing. What, are you worried that they are going to become gay now that there’s a gay/straight alliance group at the school? I hope you don’t plan to send them to a public college or university, as they all have very active groups such as this.

    • http://comradealan.com/ Alan Pugh

      Did you miss the part where there has been an active Christian prayer group at the school for quite some time?

      Also, this may blow your mind, but equating LGBT issues to a “liberal” agenda ignores both the libertarian stance of minding your own business and the 22,000 member Log Cabin Republicans organization.

      Finally, I’d like a citation that the “majority” of people are bigots who are repulsed by someone else’s personal life.

    • The Thinker

      Parents absolutely retain that right John and nothing mentioned above challenges that right. Furthermore I don’t recall anyone implying ” that homosexuality should be accepted as normative by all”. The twenty-seven students who attended this meeting represent about one percent of the total student body at EHS. I do not believe the purpose of this group is to indoctrinate or recruit for the gay / lesbian community but rather to allow those students who are in the overwhelming minority a safe outlet to discuss the issues they face.

      • Barbara Radke

        You also have to keep in the forefront of your mind that it also says STRAIGHT

    • Barbara Radke

      Repugnant to the majority of people? Please site your research, inquiring minds want to know. NO One is forcing anything on your childre’s morel education, simply they are creating an awareness that all creatures great and small…..

      No liberals are not always complaining that religious morality should be barred from the public school agenda.Public schools do not dictate morality, that is left to the people in their lives outside of school. Besides morals are a personal manner so who’s would they teach , and where in the school day would they have time to place a morals class and who would teach such a class and who’s morals would they base it on.
      If you have done any research and read up on the research and studies of gay make up, you would fine that way down to a cellular level being gay is part of your make up as a person. Now as a God fearing Christian that you are, I have to ask, which part of what GOd made and decided should be part of this persons make up are you against? I just don’t get it.

    • SandyRavage

      “Homosexuality is repugnant to the morality of people?”

      Wake up, it’s not 1950 anymore buddy.

      • Sis Delish

        Brilliant observation. In the 50s folks weren’t distracted by “needy” sub-groups. They were busy making things, and making babies and being strong.

        But, since you referenced it, here we go.
        The Allies Club just might be the launching point of America’s First Gay/Lesbian/Bi-Sexual/Transgendered President.

        No longer will strong America Leaders come from a background in the Military or from Business, or in the case of the current occupant of the White House, Indonesia.

        Her/She/It will be born out of Tolerance and a Penchant for Pretty Things. This new President will hold meetings to discuss lofty topics such as “how do I approach a heterosexual friend about experimenting with me….” Consequently, Foreign Policy will take on a whole new meaning.

        Yep, just what America needs, another graduate of Community Organizing… and, More Taxes to pay for Pretty Things.

        • SandyRavage

          I take that back. It’s not the 1950s except in your head. Go beat up some civil rights protesters or something.

          • Sis Delish

            Your 1st Ammendment Rights just ended with inciting violence.

            I highly suggest you Lawyer Up, unless you are forming a club which encourages the beating of civil rights protesters.

          • SandyRavage

            I’m not. Though I’m sure you already formed one.

          • Angie Climbintothetop Z

            lmao. #timemachine

        • Sean MacNair

          Indonesia? Yeah, you have little knowledge of anything.

          • Sis Delish

            U-2

          • Sean MacNair

            As a matter of fact I love U2!

          • Sis Delish

            Great! Stop being such a bono.

          • Vision

            Sis delish a.k.a. Sarah Palin.

          • Sis Delish

            Too bad Sandra Fluke wasn’t your mom. Think about that for a moment..

          • Vision

            Sandra Fluke is my Mom, and John Lennon is my Dad. Imagine that. I hope someday you’ll join us.

          • Sis Delish

            Wow man, far out… your dad was a child molestor at best.

          • Chris

            That is were Obamas’ mother is from.

        • Robert Ivey

          but in the 1950s the Maximum tax rate was 90% with an effective tax rate of 65%… Which means back in the 1950s when people were making things and being strong they did it by taxing the everliving crap out of the rich…

          • Sis Delish

            Good point, RI. However, there were not the proliferation of Social Programs wasting the tax revenues… rather, they were paying off debt and rebuilding after a few years of wars against the Nazis and, then the Commies. Those two group always suck the resources out of a country…. sorta like today’s Democrats.

        • Mathew Siwierka

          A future president with a concious…. may god save us all

    • ClemsonGuy

      Then parents can exercise their parental rights and force their children not to join any voluntary clubs that do not fit with their own world view.

      If you read the article carefully, which I KNOW you had to or else you would understand, this club is a student organization created by the students, for the students who want to join. In addition, if those parents of which you speak aren’t happy about it, I’m sure I could find some are aren’t happy about the student prayer organizations (also mentioned in the article, I’m sure you read) that exist on campus. But I would tell those parents the same thing I’m telling you – they are student organizations by/for the students, and if you have a problem with that you can order your own children not to join or be associated with them.

      • Sis Delish

        CG. Which group do you think will be shut down by the ACLU, first? The Prayer Group or The Allies?

        • ClemsonGuy

          Which group do you think the AFA, FRC, FOF, Liberty Counsel, and others will go after? My argument is for the students. My support is for those students who organize groups, associate, share ideas, learn from another, and form friendships and alliances.

          I would condemn the ACLU – but as we’ve had a Gay/Straight/Alliance club in the past (when I attended between 02 and 06) so we’ve had Christian prayer organizations too. Guess what? No ACLU chapter has tried to bring them down.

          • Sis Delish

            CG, Your reply is non-responsive to my simple question, but quiet evasive non-the-less.

          • ClemsonGuy

            I did answer your question, it just wasn’t to your liking. The ACLU isn’t going after anyone here. What’s more, they haven’t gone after any of the student prayer groups that have existed at EHS that I can remember. They are a non-issue in this discussion.

            I answered your non-issue ACLU hypotheses with one of my own. For every ACLU there is an American Family Association, Family Research Council, Liberty Counsel, One Million Moms, etc, etc, who step in and attack, slander, and push their views. Yet, they are also not involved here.

            Your remarks have nothing to do with the situations.

            However, to get at them in a more round-about way. If you’ve been following the news you would have read that the ACLU has teamed up with the Susan B. Anthony Society (a very Christian, conservative oriented group) to fight for new campaign speech codes.

            My point – the ACLU makes for strange bedfellows with different organizations for different reasons related to civil liberties. They are not, nor should they be, your “go-to” bad guys in this conversation.

            However, all of this doesn’t matter as I’ve pointed out two things. 1) Even if they were always in opposition to religious groups there are still all those named organizations I’ve listed who do the exact same thing. 2), most importantly, they and the others have nothing to do with this situation.

            I am not evasive, nor non-responsive. I straight-forward, logical, and very much engaged.

          • Sis Delish

            We can all toss out abbreviations for organizations that we favor/disfavor. My simple question proffered a scenario most likely to happen, not what I wanted your answer to be.

            Reason for the inquiry, you seem to have a thorough thought process absent in many who post on emotional issues.

            With the overwhelming attacks on religion in/on public (government) organizations/property we’ve seen in the recent past, I simply wanted to see if you too felt it would be more likely that some atheist group would object, and be successful, in arguing that somehow they are being harmed by the formation of a group which is allowed to promote religion, like a High School Prayer Group.

            Of course, we know that the LGBT’s are now a protected group under the Constitution with the recent rulings on Gay Marriage, etc. and therefore a club such as The Allies are more “insulated” from an attack on their existence as a result.

            My answer would be based on the info above, and based on the evidence of such, I would suggest that the EHS Prayer Group would fall before The Allies Club.

          • ClemsonGuy

            We must remember that school prayer, not student prayer, was brought down not because of atheists, but by a Jewish objection to the Christian nature of the prayers.

            I know you are not referencing this, but many do as an “attack” on Christianity by atheism or progressiveness which it was not.

            The news stories you hear about outside groups attacking organized prayer are not all the same, nor all equal. With regards to school student groups, those groups have often been protected unless the group made itself exclusive – that is to say, it excluded others from joining – or if they tried to force an agenda into school policy that was exclusive and not inclusive.

            A recent objection – and by recent, I mean about three years ago – was raised when a southern school’s high school football team had their practice meals blessed by a church. An article in Fox News called it an assault on Christianity, however, when you read the local news outlets you’d find that there was much more to the story. The objections were raised by some parents, and football players who wished to remain anonymous.

            Their objection was not solely against the food being blessed, but that the team would be bused by the coach to church and made to sit and listen to a sermon lasting between 30-40 minutes. That deserved scrutiny.

            You cannot make a blanket assessment that Christianity is under assault when there is active proselytization taking place. Public spaces, public events, etc, should not exclude Christianity, however, that does not give Christianity carte blanche to hold itself as absolute truth when there are others who contribute to the existence of that public space who also claim truth.

            Not all Catholics have traditionally agreed with Protestants, especially in their use of the KJB as a teaching tool and a source for prayer (hence Catholic schools). Protestants haven’t traditionally agreed with all Protestants – Quakers don’t agree with Congregationalists, Congregationalists don’t agree with Baptists, Southern Baptists don’t agree with Free Will Baptists, Free Will Baptists don’t agree with Unitarians or Universalists etc, etc.

            Christianity in this country is not a monolith, and there are ministers and priests who would disagree with any argument to the contrary. The leader of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State is Barry Lynn, a minister. He argues for a strong separation to promote continued religious freedom.

            Such open spaces, close adherence to inclusiveness, and separations, and egalitarians rules are in place to help minorities (religious or otherwise) as well as all Christian denominations from being cornered by other hostile denominations.

            So I submit to you that Christianity is not under assault, only certain expressions of it by certain groups who wish to have more control in the social sphere.

          • Sis Delish

            And, I still assert that the LGBT clubs would survive the Prayer Groups.

          • ClemsonGuy

            And you have every right to say that, but it can’t be substantiated.

          • Sis Delish

            I’ll put the question in a time capsule… time will tell.

          • ClemsonGuy

            I end by submitting three things. One, the Allies are not a religious group, they are a support organization that are inclusive.

            I also want to remind you that the student prayer organizations are not under assault in this conversation at all, and all references to that notion are hypothetical and not grounded in reality.

            Lastly, I submit this to you – https://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression-public-schools

            “The ACLU of Virginia (2011) wrote a letter on behalf of a group of
            Christian athletes in Floyd County High School after the school removed
            copies of the Ten Commandments the athletes had displayed on the outside
            of their personal lockers.”

            and

            “The ACLU of Texas (2011) opposed a school district’s policy prohibiting
            students from visibly wearing rosaries, crosses, and other articles of
            faith.”

            finally

            “The ACLU of New Jersey (2010) submitted an amicus brief in
            support of a public school student’s right to express her religious
            beliefs about abortion by wearing an armband with the word “LIFE” on it.”

            Once again, the ACLU defends religious liberty which is not under attack here. What is under attack is the right of students to form voluntary associations that are inclusive.

          • Sis Delish

            I thought you might be an officer of the Court…

          • ClemsonGuy

            No, just well read on current events. I am pragmatic and refuse to call out an entire religion or civil organization without a sound understanding of their operations, goals, and strategies.

          • Vision

            Because they are based on reality, not the supernatural or superstitions, so, they should out last the fictional groups that are designed to make people schizophrenic.

          • Sis Delish

            Some folks might prefer to be schizo if only because it is preferable to being an effeminate male.

          • Vision

            Is that what happens to men when they are atheist ? Hmph. Well, I’ll be. What happens to women ? Do they grow mustaches, start lifting weights, and watch more Duck Dynasty and less Cosmos?

          • Sis Delish

            The goal is to make all mankind weak and effeminate. Seems to be working, you changed your Avatar to reflect a broken heart vs. the previous boobs-with-eyes–a clear sign of effeminate transformation.

          • Vision

            I’ll change it to a triple 6 logo, just for you.

          • johns62

            and your a guy dressed like a nun. you dress kinda strange there mr Sito

          • Sis Delish

            What part of LGBT don’t you understand?

          • Freeman63

            What’s harder for you to accept, that you’re losing to liberals or homosexuals? Your fear of either is on full display.

          • Sis Delish

            Actually, Freeman, You’ve lost to the groups you mentioned. Mr. Acquiecence is a nice title for a “freeman”.

            I’m pleased that the Jerry Springer show will have new recruits, perhaps from Elyria. I look forward to your appearance.

          • Freeman63

            I’ve lost to the groups I’ve mentioned. Indeed. Because I spend entire days demonstrating the limits of my mind in an internet forum, using the fall back ad hominem when logic fails.

            It is curious how liberals and homosexuals, both groups you demonstrate nothing but disdain for, have so much control over your life.

          • Sis Delish

            Boy Forced to Stop Reading Bible During Tenn. After-School Program; ACLU Defends Student
            April 2, 2014

            http://www.christianpost.com/news/boy-forced-to-stop-reading-bible-during-tenn-after-school-program-aclu-defends-student-117229/

          • ChasInNJ

            One Million Moms is a front for the American Family Association.

        • Vision

          Hopefully, the prayer group.

      • John Lawson

        Amidst the progressive socialists, cries of “diversity” and “tolerance” has become fashionable. But typical hypocrites that they are, it doesn’t apply when it comes to falsely attributing hatred and bashing those with opposing viewpoints, instead of acknowledging their desire to act in accordance with the teachings of their religious faith.

        I’m always so interested in how the “free thinkers” never tire of telling everyone else how they are to think and what they should believe.

        Given their secular, humanistic philosophy, any discussion on moral absolutes is a meaningless exercise in futility.

        Don’t worry though, it’s not the first time moral relativist’s are out of sync with transcendent moral law.

        • Robert Ivey

          If you have read the Bible and understood Jesus’ teachings you would know that he believes anyone who teaches another being in Gods name to Hate a particular person to be a false prophet and working for the devil.
          Jesus is about loving everyone no matter what they have done…

    • Nathan Dohanos

      There is a huge difference between the religious right to organize and forcing religious practices in public school. There is a religious club in EHS called PUSH Club which has no issues surrounding it that I’ve heard of. Allies is also a school club, not a class, making your argument about educating the students flawed.

      When it comes to the topic of sexuality, no one is being taught about their sexual preference, rather than understanding of human sexuality in general. I’d suggest taking some psychology, sociology, and health classes before you start passing judgement on others with your less than expert opinion on the topic. It is apparent that you have little to no understanding of how human sexuality works.

      And on a final note, which is purely my own opinion, children absolutely have business being educated on human sexuality. Those who are not taught about human sexuality only end up becoming fearful of anyone who is different, thinking that sexuality can be taught or indoctrinated. These ignorant and often bigoted viewpoints come from a lack of education on the topic, only to be backed up by flawed religious and moral arguments.

    • Robert Ivey

      Yes according to Jesus that means acceptance and tolerance for others no matter who they are or what they do for a living.

      • John Lawson

        Nice try Satan! Men lusting for other men or women lusting for other women are not the natural affections God created men and women to have for one another.

        Many people do not want to believe in a God who demands righteousness and morality, so they invent a God who makes no such requirements.

        One thing that is absolutely true is that people that are activists for the homosexual lifestyle hate God.

    • http://www.tumblr.com/blog/akinsc Carla Akins

      No one is preventing you from teaching your children, nor should your beliefs stop a student social group. Do you think your children will never know about of see people of alternate lifestyles? No one is educating your child in this group, no educator has an agenda – this is a social group in a high school. How foolish you must be to think your child is not already fully aware sexual orientation and how it works. If you are firm in your beliefs, do your best. Trust me, when you child becomes an adult, your lack of tolerance for others is what they will remember.

    • rob

      You’ve proven enough to me Sir. The fact that you feel it’s a choice, makes it sound as though you’ve had to make a decision. And as a liberal trying to support equal peace for anyone not committing crimes amongst their fellow man, I must also support your apparent decision to be strait. I will always support a gay man’s right to be strait or remain gay because America supports freedom of self expression not just the free market economy.

    • johns62

      homeschool if youre that afraid

  • FoodForThought63

    Don’t fret, Mr. Sito is not as high-up in the ranks as he believes he is, most people don’t give a hoot what he says lol

  • FoodForThought63

    Send your kids to catholic school then Chris. Then they can be taught the values you believe in. You are entitled to your opinions but when you impose on other’s rights, that isn’t cool buddy

    • Barbara Radke

      I believe that the Catholic schools also teach tolerance.

      • Vision

        Right…only because of Islam.

      • Bob Dobbs

        sometimes… when it suits them.

  • Katie Greathouse

    What Mr. Sito is doing here is bullying. It is the equivalent of a Kindergartener
    saying “I’m not your best friend anymore” because a classmate didn’t to play
    the game she wanted to play. Mr. Sito is pulling his support of an entire school district based on the formation of one group that he dosen’t agree with.

    What Mr. Sito is doing here could potentially have far reaching consequences, and I ask you, the residents of Elyria to think long and hard before you act, as what you do here will set the example for countless kids and young adults who tend to follow the examples set for them by the adults around them.

    What happens if Mr. Sito and Bob DuPont succeed in getting a community to vote no on Issue 2. A levy that will help a district that needs the money that will be provided with the passing of that levy?

    Here’s one likely scenario: The funding for a sports team may be cut. That student, who wanted to play football his senior year of high school, now has to pay hundreds of dollars to do so because a levy didn’t pass. This football
    player’s family cannot afford to pay that amount of money for this senior to
    play the sport he loves. Chances are, based on comments and actions he heard from Mr. Sito, or Mr. DuPont, or individuals of the same mindset of these two, this student is going to place the blame solely on the members of the Allies. What does this football player do? He threatens, he bullies, and he makes these other kids feel unsafe. Why? Why does he do this? Because he saw some community leaders, some adults who should be setting an example of TOLERANCE and ACCEPTANCE say the equivalent of “if you don’t play what I want you to play, we’re not friends anymore”

    We start preaching anti-bullying in Kindergarten now. My 6 year old learned in her Lorain County Public School how to identify bullying, and what to do if she sees it happening to someone or if it’s happening to her. She is to tell the person they are bullying, and then to report it to a responsible adult.

    Since the person who is supposed to be the responsible adult here is the one doing the bullying, I’m reporting it to all the residents of Elyria. Please practice what you preach. Please don’t be a bully. Lead by example. I’m not asking you to support the Allies (though you should) I’m asking that you not take away your support of a district based on the formation of a group. A group that the students of EHS, YOUR children, felt the need to form. Please think about that please before you decide whether or not to support the levy.

    • Soon2bMrsB

      I couldn’t agree more! Well said!!! I have posted 2 comments now that the chronicle felt the need to remove apparently, so I am glad you were able to post your thoughts!!! I agree with you 150%!!!!! Bullying should never be tolerated! Now we know why children become bullies! They learn it from the adults they see being bullies!!!

    • Phil Seguin

      Katie – isn’t the same thing happening in this very conversation with Little League East? First of all what do they have to do with Mr. Sito’s opinion and why would the reporter feel the need to mention his board position? Is she implying that his personal opinion was the opinion of the organization he is a board member of? If not then why mention it at all Lisa – shameful! You all demand tolerance but give so little. You condemn him for speaking out against the schools but ignore people threatening a great organization that serves the youth of Elyria.

      • Katie Greathouse

        You are correct Phil. It is exactly the same. Which is why I didn’t mention Little League East. I stand by my opinion that what is happening is bullying. The people who are talking about not supporting Little League East, are doing the same thing. One shouldn’t pull their support of something that is good for the kids of Elyria because one doesn’t agree with the actions of one person. One shouldn’t pull their support of a levy that is good for the entire district because one doesn’t agree with the formation of a group. I, for one, would not threaten to stop buying Dairy Queen just because I don’t like one person who works there. I think doing so is attempting to threaten people into doing what you want them to do – to back down – because you don’t agree with their choice/decision. That is bullying,

        • Phil Seguin

          I wish Lisa Roberson had the courage and integrity to explain why she mentioned Little League East in the original article. I understand what you are saying Katie – I don’t agree but I understand. He has a personal opinion (which he is entitled to) and a right to vote his conscience – just like you and I do. Expressing that opinion doesn’t make him a bully in my eyes. Dragging an innocent organization into it seems closer to bullying to me.

          • johns62

            Phil I think the mention of his involvement in LL East is a way to connect him with his community involvement and involvement with kids. Just explains who he is to the reader.

          • Phil Seguin

            Johns62 I understand but obviously it is a divisive issue where people feel strongly on both sides – to drag LL East into it was irresponsible at best – they have nothing to do with his opinions he just happens to serve on the board there. Based on the comments here LL East is getting criticism that they don’t deserve.

          • FoodForThought63

            Phil, the reason the LL East part is important is because if my child were gay, I would certainly not feel comfortable allowing them to play in a league where one of the leaders makes it well known that he hates them. And is bargaining against them. And many of these kids have gay relatives-aunts, uncles, older siblings, parents-that they love. How do you think they feel knowing someone in charge of the organization is doing all they can to discriminate and make life more difficult for their loved ones? What baffles me is that many against equal rights say “the gays are forcing their lifestyle down our throats”. not really. No one is forcing you to accept anything. If you don’t want to join Allies, don’t join. If you don’t want to attend a gay wedding, don’t attend. If you don’t want to have gay friends, don’t. No one is saying you have to do those things. The ironicity is that the reason groups like this exist-and they do-in schools all across the country-is to discuss how to overcome the discrimination that people such as Mr. Sito puts on them. So, basically, he in a sense created the club.

          • FoodForThought63

            He isn’t JUST expressing his opinion, he is taking action to attempt to defeat a levy that keeps the gem of Elyria, our school system, afloat. Expressing an opinion against someone=prejudice. Taking action against someone you don’t like=discrimination. Big difference.

  • Americaschild

    schools should be teaching reading, writing and math and leave social things to parents. birth control, smoking, and on and on do not belong in any school; it’s the parents’ job. schools should budget or close–NO MORE LEVYS NOT AT ALL Parents get made cuz your kids are not getting a good education–not at all

    • The Thinker

      If you are a parent it would appear you could benefit from “a good education”.

    • The Thinker

      The health benefits of not smoking are undeniable even to the ignorant

    • Barbara Radke

      READ READ and then read some more to be sure you understand what you are reading. Football, basketball, softball, volleyball, french clubs, Spanish clubs, Christain prayers clubs are all part of the students daily life,just as are reading and writing and math, they help in a number of ways, help a child get scholarships to further their education, help them become more rounded adults,let them explore ideas that may expand their minds, oh and even help them learn to pray better. BECAUSE of this I will not get MAD.

      • Vision

        “…pray better…” Might as well train them to be Jedi too while were at it.

    • SandyRavage

      “parents get made”

      Learn 2 read

    • Former Elyria and Glad

      Well, here’s a reason for increased funding for schools right above. Holy moley.

  • FoodForThought63

    Niagara University, where Sito’s daughter attends and plays softball, has numerous gay/straight alliance groups and activities supporting the gay/straight perspective that all are equal. I guess when they are paying for your kid’s education we can turn the other cheek though, huh? Chris Sito is laughable. Guess what Elyria Schools-I was on the fence on voting for the levy but I will now support it, so there ya go, I’ll cancel out his no vote. lol

    • The Thinker

      Well said sir and bravo.

      • Ginger Beane

        i AGREE, vote for issue 2….get behind our kids, all of them!!!

  • It has to stop

    Lest anyone forget, Sito is also the idiot who was on the Design Review for the city of Elyria and had his head so far up Grace’s butt that he was able to tickle Grace’s tonsils. Got kicked of the CT comment site multiple times using different alias’s. Was kicked off of other sites as well. So bad he became an embarrassment even to Grace. Runs Little League East and is now embarrassing them. Well, has been for some time.

    • Sis Delish

      Sir, your comment “had his head so far up Grace’s butt that he was able to tickle Grace’s tonsils..” should be left for discussion in “the Allies” club, not a public chat board.

  • Larissa Irizarry

    I graduated in 2006 and we had a gay straight alliance club since way back then. its nothing new and it was actually quite helpful to our students. Its helped students recognize that no matter our beliefs, we are all people. we all are human, and we are ALL TO BE ACCEPTED AND TREATED as such.

  • Barbara Radke

    I’m all for a petition to remove Chris Sito from the Little League. No telling what he’s liable to say or do to a child that in his opinion may be gay!! Ban Chris Sito

    • The Thinker

      I invite you to share your thoughts with the Little League East President, Kevin Brubaker. His email and phone number were taken from the Little League East website.
      kabrubaker85@gmail.com
      440-864-7719

    • Sis Delish

      BR = prolific stone thrower.

      • The Thinker

        SD = prolific board troll

        • Sis Delish

          TT = intolerant, yet consistent.

      • johns62

        Stone thrower, no but when someone is a determentent to an organization and works to hurts all the kids in Elyria, then yes.

        And if he was smart, he should just resign.

    • Sis Delish

      BR… Why so worried?

      The Gay Games are coming…plenty of room for all!

      If little Barbara or Percival can’t cut it in the Little Leagues, there’s always the Gay Games.

      Why do they have to HAVE Gay Games? Who knows.

      http://www.gg9cle.com

      • johns62

        Chris, do they give you the heeby jeebies?

        • Chris

          No, I’ve had gay friends. Great people!! I don’t let what they do, that does not directly effect me, bother me. They don’t see the need to air their business or sexual orientation to the world like some that are not getting their way would. I say keep it to yourself. Not air it out in some club in school.

  • kmzi

    Have no fear, the queers are here.
    Yep, they’re everywhere now.

    • SandyRavage

      They always were. The bullies are just to weak to the scare them now.

  • SandyRavage

    It’s pretty amazing that dinosaurs like Chris are still out there. Hopefully the whole community will shun him like the nation did with Fred Phelps.

  • Marlie

    I would not support it either. Let the gays form their little group outside of school. I’m so sick of hearing about people “coming out of the closet.” Maybe straight people should make a big announcement about being straight. I wonder how much media attention that would get. I could not care less if you are gay, but I really do not want to hear about it either or your sickening groups where you feel the need to discuss it.

    • Jared Donnelly

      You are what is wrong with society. Congratulations.

    • Former Elyria and Glad

      Holy crap, you’re a moron. People like you are why anyone with any talent, brains and ambition flee Elyria immediately after graduation. Congrats on your decaying, backwater Appalachian burg.

    • Becky

      You wouldn’t be hearing about it if Chris wouldn’t have made such a big deal about it. Try not to have a cow.

    • Chris

      Agreed.

  • ClemsonGuy

    There was a Gay-Straight Alliance club active when I was at the school (02-06) and he’s just now upset by this?

    And as I suspect now, as it was then, these types of clubs act as a support group and way to learn about different people.

    I’m sickened to hear that someone is going to crusade against the school system because its students want to establish a support group. I hope the levy passes, and I hope this new club’s attendance jumps ten-fold.

    • Jared Donnelly

      Nailed it.

  • johns62

    this was something I posted on another thread, but applies: a poster commented that this group ‘label 14-17 year olds.

    how does being in this group label anyone?. maybe using Sito’s logic, we should disband the Thespians Club. Why you may ask?

    well some who go into the performing arts are known gays and lesbians., so again using Sito logic, this is bringing the innocent minds into a den of evil and sucking them in to their perverted ways.

    wonder how Chris would feel if a member of the precious Lady Pioneers softball team were god forbid a lesbian or even Bi ?

    would he ‘digitally remove’ any presence of said person from all the photos and mementos he has collected over the years.

  • John Ripley

    Chris,
    I find this narrow minded, bigoted stance of yours quite ugly.
    As I prefer not to get ugly I will stop now.

  • LAB1660

    Is this group opposing the levy a legally formed PAC, just as is the pro-levy group a legally formed PAC? That’s all that seems like it should be all that matters, if anyone has taken a lesson from the rant over levy opposition shown by Columbia’s superintendent, Graig Bansek. As for the LGBT club in a high school, more power to those who are open about something that nobody else has to flaunt. TMI for me. They have a Christian club? What happened to separation of church and state in a public school?

  • Vision

    Not as sad knowing I was never cool enough to be friends with Chris Sito now. Was a borderline bully, in high school, in the early nineties. Is a full blown bully to the schools and children now.

    • golfingirl

      Have to agree, the “cool” guys in High School usually don’t look so cool as adults.

      My father always warned me about those types.

  • Fearing For Society

    Mr. Chris Sito:

    Please tell me how using your religion to spread hatred is being a true Christian. Please enlighten me as to how punishing others by withholding your Yes vote is acting in the ways of the Lord. THERE IS A TIME FOR CHANGE AND THE TIME IS NOW. The Church has lost followers for this reason exactly, closed minds. The Bible is a document of history, of answers, of ways to live. It is more than a book to many, but it is a book. And books are UPDATED. This Holy Book has not been UPDATED e v e r. Textbooks are updated upon new knowledge, new findings, existence of new types of things. YOU need to accept the fact that some people have adopted this UPDATE. You are obviously free to believe what you believe, but RESPECT others and THEIR beliefs. Your way is not the only way, and punishing the school district that educates YOUR children because of a club that DOESN’T CONCERN YOU is absolutely asinine. Your children and other children are not being forced to join. If this club was never brought to your attention, I guarantee there would be a sign for Vote Yes on Issue 2 in your front yard. How about the multitude of other clubs that benefit you and your family? Softball… for a thought? You claim to be a man of the Lord and as that “man” you should be SUPPORTING those who are trying to create a peaceful, loving, welcoming environment.

    • Sis Delish

      FFS: “And books are UPDATED. This Holy Book has not been UPDATED e v e r. Textbooks are updated upon new knowledge, new findings, existence of new types of things.”

      Textbooks are updated to fill the pockets and bank accounts of Tenured educators, School Board Members who accept recommendations from Tenured educators, and to add to the ever-expanding cost of primary and secondary education… unnecessarily in an age of the internet and laser printers.

      Remember how long the Classic Textbooks used to last when you could see 10 to 15 years of students who used that very same tool of education before you. Are you posthumously suggesting that students from that Era are not as bright as the current crop soley because of the timeline of the updtating of the textbooks they used? I beg to differ…

      The Bible, in this Context, never needs to be re-printed and since it is not accepted in public schools, it never costs taxpayers a dime. And if it does need re-printing because of the age of the actual physical condition of the book itself, so be it.

      So, your suggestion Change will cost Taxpayers LESS is absurd.

      What next? A proposal that we be allowed to UPDATE our birthdays? Our Family Trees?

      Our Voting (retroactively in 2008 and 2012 Presidential Elections would be acceptable) and WOULD save us money.

      • johns62

        and the King James version is what than?

        • Sis Delish

          Ask Fearing for Society…he’s the one who made the disclaimer.

          • johns62

            No you stated This Holy Book has not been UPDATED e v e r. your words

          • Sis Delish

            I put that phrase in “quotation” marks to signify it was from the posting of Fearing for Society… please review and then respond with your apology.

        • The Thinker

          The King James version is NOT an updated version. It is the version that was translated most recently in the 17th century from the Hebrew text of the Old Testament into the vernacular. It has been retranslated a couple times since then but this is largely irrelevant as most English versions are in the best light, mistranslated and widely misinterpreted.

      • Fearing For Society

        Please tell me how any of that relates whatsoever to the point of my comment. You throw around large words like it’s intimidating, when in reality you have no valid counter argument. Expanded vocabularies are only useful when there is value behind the way the words are arranged. Why waste your time… LOL… And yes I am “posthumously suggesting” that students from previous eras are not as bright as students from this era because these students have access to many more things than those before them. This is how it has always been. Every generation is becoming smarter, and more innovative. However, again, this has absolutely nothing to do with my point of my first comment.

        • Sis Delish

          In my opinion, your original post chastised someone for trying to influence voters in a Levy-related argument. A Levy is a Tax.

          ie: “Please enlighten me as to how punishing others by withholding your Yes vote is acting in the ways of the Lord.”
          A Yes vote would result in a Levy a.k.a. a Tax.

          AND

          “Your way is not the only way, and punishing the school district that educates YOUR children because of a club that DOESN’T CONCERN YOU is absolutely asinine.”

          Punishing the school District? Sounds again, like you only hone-in on the loss of tax revenues if the levy were to fail, expressly because of One or Two men’s support.

          My position on the rapid obsolescence of textbooks is sound in the context of the argument you make about punishing the school district.

          And, what about all those Trees that must die to put money into the educators pocketbooks…

    • John Lawson

      Nice try Satan! Men lusting for other men or women lusting for other women are not the natural affections God created men and women to have for one another.

      Many people do not want to believe in a God who demands righteousness and morality, so they invent a God who makes no such requirements.

      One thing that is absolutely true is that people that are activists for the homosexual lifestyle hate God.

      • http://FreakoutNation.com/ Anomaly 100

        ‘Sup Fred Phelps?

        Actually “lust’ is sinful for straight or gay people, so your purity test fails the Bible’s fact checker.

      • Nuzz

        You are the exact type of person that gives religion a bad name. None of what you said is true, and you know absolutely nothing about what is natural.

        Spreading this type of BS only does a disservice to God by tarnishing the reputation of the religion that you claim to represent.

        I highly doubt that Jesus Christ would approve of your actions.

      • LAB1660

        If you believe your Christian teaching, you will remember that all are created in the image and likeness of God. Therefore, God, as defined by society is ALL. Such a fundamental concept of teaching, so full of impact. Remember the fundamentals before interjecting your personal interpretations. What makes you uncomfortable is not necessary for you to pursue, and when those situations appear on television, you have an off button.

    • Ginger Beane

      Yes, its one thing to have your opinion, and its another spreading the word which is only going to hurt you and the other 1900 kids who go to Elyria High if the levy fails, which it won’t..some people are sleeping together now before marriage, yes, believe me its true, some may smoke a joint, also true, when in grade school I remember walking on the opposite side of the street than the public school kids, there all very interesting, believe me its true! I embrace every childs wish to be different, wish to have a life that may just be a little different! They need our attention,
      embrace them.they speak volumes about the need to be accepted..

  • Lucius Whitman

    The thing I find fascinating about people like Mr. Sito is the virtual certainty that, not only would he not attend a session of the club to actually learn what its about, but that even if he were honest enough to do so it wouldn’t change his opinion of its nature.

    Because its not what the club is or isn’t that’s offensive to people like him, its the very fact that homosexuals should be thought of (by anyone) as worthy of something that heterosexuals are entitled to.

    • Sis Delish

      You may have a point, LW, however, and I quote from the C-T Article directly:

      “(Elyria School Board Vice President) France said she plans to attend future Allies meeting as a representative of the school board.”

      The reason I use this quote is to ask if School Board Vice President Evelyn France extends her participation to ALL other groups at EHS, or just this “special” group. If this is indeed special treatment by a member of the School Board, then we must reverse your comment which states:

      “its the very fact that homosexuals should be thought of (by anyone) as worthy of something that heterosexuals are entitled to.”

      Unless Ms. France and other Board Members are attending Each and Every Other Club’s meetings, then heterosexuals are being denied that which the Board has determined ONLY homosexuals are entitled to.

      • johns62

        its only a special group in your mind

  • Jared Donnelly

    Both of these “men” are giant windbags and have been known as such for decades. Not only is their ignorance being shown here, but it seems that they are deciding to not support a school system that is embracing the changing society that it educates. Shame on them. It also demonstrates an undeniable arrogance. To assume that an entire school system will simply bow down to two individuals that haven’t had a student pass through that building in several years is laughable, preposterous, and shattering the unintentional comedy scale.

    • Sis Delish

      JD…and yet, the attacks against these very same two individuals is equally comical if only for the belief that two citizens can control an entire electorate.

      As far as embracing the changing society that it educates, it isn’t the school’s responsibility to be the dog being wagged by its tail.

      • Jared Donnelly

        You’re entitled to your opinion and to share it. Which is what I’ve done and what these two people have done. And that’s fine. At least DuPont, Sito, and I were confident enough in ours to put our names on them. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

      • The Thinker

        Trolling HEAVY and HARD today Sis…

        • Sis Delish

          Ya think all those lines of text are trolling do ya?

          At least live up to your posting name.

  • Carl Juchem

    While we’re at it let’s just turn back the clock to the fifties and not have discussions about anything. If the kids can’t assemble and show support for each other then let’s leave it up to the parents to guide them. Of course they will only be guided in the way that their parents approve. Also let’s ban dancing within the city limits as well. Hey parents it’s 2014 and our children are more advanced and accepting of all lifestyles than we ever were. Nobody is being hurt by this and if anything several students now have a safe place to talk about their choices. Yes I said choices.they choose to have gay friends and they choose to support them. What a great time we are living in when everyone is finally chilling the “f” out and becoming acceptable. Well at least some people are. Chris, knock it off!

  • James McKenzie

    Ironic they’re exercising their first amendment rights to try and hold hostage other’s first amendment rights, and at the cost of a much needed levy. Congratulations for letting everyone see your level of ignorance and bigotry.

    • ekwaykway

      Right away when somebody has an opinion someone disagrees with, out comes bigot, right wing nut job, libtard and on and on. He has a right to his opinion as do you!

      • James McKenzie

        When you’re a bigot, you get called a bigot. That’s how it works. For example, it wasn’t popular (and for some still isn’t popular) to a portion of the population to allow blacks to have the same access to public facilities as whites. Then the supreme court ruled that was unconstitutional. Those people were bigots. I’m not quite sure you understand what a bigot is.

        • Sis Delish

          JMcK.

          If that is a valid definition of a Bigot, then all non-Democrats living in Lorain County are being represented by Bigots, in my opinion.

        • ekwaykway

          I’ll bet you call people other names too!

  • Sis Delish

    Sis has left the Blog

  • Lando Nunyabiz

    What?!?! some former jock that raised money for a new football stadium is against gays?!?! I AM SHOCKED!!! When we start accepting people as human being what will the GOP do?

  • Hard Little Machine

    These parents should be incinerated with napalm.

  • Sarah Boesger

    If there are any Allies members reading this, I want to tell you to hang in there. There are so many of us here in Lorain County who love you, support you, and will do everything we can to keep your club safe. You are doing the right thing and I wish that my friends and I had been as brave as you are.

  • Kristen Bozman Elek

    I’m proud of these kids for standing up for themselves. This is a group made up BY the students FOR the students. Good for them!
    Mr.Sito needs to back off!

  • Nuzz

    I have a feeling Mr. Sito is one of those repressed people with latent homosexual desires, like many other homophobes have proven to be time after time. I bet his wife keeps him on a short leash, so all he can do is make all these Facebook posts about the evils of gay people.

  • Former Elyria and Glad

    Um, what if I don’t believe in God? I mean, he must be bored – creating all these people just to condemn them. What a narcissist.

  • Former Elyria and Glad

    So proud to see people in my hometown standing up to this guy.
    While it’s great the students are rising up in support of the club,
    what’s needed are parents to counter this pack of lies this person is spewing and get the vote out.

    I’m half ready to make a quick flight to Elyria and attend the next school board meeting.
    I detest bullies. If
    anyone can refer me to someone on the school board, I will absolutely
    volunteer my online marketing expertise as a consultant to make sure
    that not only the levy passes, but by a landslide.

    So many LGBT
    kids have to hear how they’re sick, sinners, worthless, an affront to
    God, etc., day after day after day, and better yet, how it’s their
    “choice”. I grew up in that environment and thankfully, I was strong
    enough to know better and escape it. Some kids are not. We need to be
    there for them.

  • bucktwo

    I’ll tell you this much: I don’t think anyone as bigoted, ignorant, and judgmental as Mr. Sito has any business in a position of influence or authority over kids of Little League age. Who does he think he is; telling folks how they should vote – especially when it’s detrimental to the schools? Nope; I wouldn’t want him anywhere near my kid.

  • Jake Martinez

    Okay, so both the 14th amendment and Title 9 prohibit the school from doing exactly what these gentlemen are asking them to do. So, regardless of how much the community as a whole doesn’t approve of this club, the district cannot do anything about it and even if they were inclined to knowingly violate federal law, they’d get sued and lose at a cost of millions of dollars anyway. This isn’t some kind of “theory” or speculation – there are literally hundreds of prior cases over this exact same situation.
    To Chris and Bob here – your threats are basically toothless. Even if you get your way, the school will lose out in legal fees and you’ll be stuck with the club that you hate so much. I’m actually astounded that you seem to be ignorant of this fact.

  • golfingirl

    Don’t really have an opinion on this.

    My only comment is that all groups should be treated equally.

    If a group or student, who is anti-gay, maybe because of their religious beliefs, or moral teachings, wants to form a group which opposes this one directly, will they be permitted to do so? Will there be any outrage from the gay community?

    Call them the “Anti-Allies.” A group which directly opposes the “Allies.” Their charter is to speak against this group and all its beliefs. A group promoting not only a “straight” message, but a message against other groups who do not agree with them, in a civil, non-violent manner.

    Do they have a right to assemble in this way? Can they do so in a school? Do they also have a First Amendment right to assemble and use public school facilities to do so?

    Just asking?

    What does bother me is how so many run to these types of articles from distant places whenever they appear. This happens on a variety of topics. I realize it is their right, but seems like there is some sort of “phone tree” in place any time one of these articles appears.

  • Matt

    Thankfully anti-gay bigotry is dying out, but not soon enough.

  • John Lawson

    It is bizarre to see the “progressive’s” preach about “tolerance” and “rights”, but treat crushing and dismembering innocent, unborn human beings like a trip to the dentist to have a tooth pulled. Do unborn children get the right to appeal for tolerance and equal rights?

    Liberals repeat the same stale talking points, hatred, bigotry and racism ad infinitum. Without them, they would have to actually debate an issue and that would require intelligence.

    The word “tolerance”, has become nothing but a politically correct tool in the hands of the intolerant.

    • Former Elyria and Glad

      Thanks for sharing. This has what to do with the levy, now?

  • LarryEWells

    John since not one person is talking about abortion why your rant? You have the right to believe in any thing you want and any liberal will say so. What you don’t have the right to do is force your views on others. Not every one believes what you do nor do they have too. The only intolerance I see is from you and other religious people who insist every one else live the way your religion dictates. Live and let live.

    • Linda Groves

      LarryEWells –Live and let live????? You LIBERALS say this but DO NOT live by your own words!!! ANYONE that does not agree with you on ANY subject is called a bigot .YOU ARE the ones that are intolerant!! LIBERALS are the ones that FORCE their views on everyone!!! EVERYONE should be able to voice their own views and beliefs on any subject WITHOUT being called names !!!.As for MY TAX money going to schools, I have no problem with that,, MY taxes should be spent on EDUCATION NOT for clubs ,sports ,bands ,ECT.IF YOUR child wants to be in any club, sports, ect, YOU PAY FOR IT!!!!!, NOT ME!!! IF ANYONE can’t afford to pay ,OH well!! GET a job and pay for it yourself!!!

      • LarryEWells

        IF you are a bigot( and I didn’t call you that) why does it bother you if someone points it out? Liberal by nature don’t force their views on others as most religious people do. If Mr Sito was not pushing his religious bigoted views on others this issue would not exist. As for paying for extercuriculars I believe that has been the standard for years. My own children graduated from 1994 -1998 and we had to pay for sports and clubs then. As for getting a job since I have retired (quite nicely actually) I don’t need one thank you.

  • Abbie

    From Mr. Sito’s input reported here: “I have,” “I will,” “I will,” “I feel,” “you people,” “I 100%,” “so I can…”

    – That is a LOT of “Me, Me, Self-important Mr. Me’s!”

    He does not seem very sensitive to the needs of others’ and it frightens me that he has any involvement with the youth since he seems to proclaim a very narrow-minded stance. He is not only attacking the individuality of his community’s children, but he is also attacking those who have obtained the education to teach and otherwise be a leader to all children and those educated enough to understand the LEGAL rights this and any group has.

    If he wants HIS VALUES to be respected, he has to respect the values of OTHERS. Most of us learn that by first grade. I don’t know any one parent or any one adult involved with any youth sports’ groups that holds the importance that this man feels that he does. I cannot believe that after what he has made public about himself, that he feels he has to power to sway any votes as in “[I] will let others know they should do the same.” Read that: ‘I will tell others how to cast THEIR votes.’ There’s that “I” again…

  • golfingirl

    Where are all these posters coming from?

    Like cockroaches, they appear out of dark corners by the dozens.
    (No, I am not calling those who argue for gay rights insects…just relax)

    It is a local article, a local issue, and I really doubt these people read the CT on any regular basis.

    There has to be an app where people are alerted anytime there is an article about an issue they feel strongly about.

    Just curious, where are you all coming from?

    • Former Elyria and Glad

      Elyria, on Spruce Street. Relax.

      • Ginger Beane

        Case Rd. North Ridgeville,

      • Linda Groves

        Elyria

    • John Ripley

      Elyria, Oxford….

    • 2muchgovernment

      I’m not from Elyria but I am from Lorain County and do read the Chronicle a few times a week. And, I wasn’t aware that anyone outside of Elyria, or Lorain County for that matter, were not supposed to read the Chronicle. But, does it really matter where these commenters live? While I think Chris Sito is narrow-minded, he can say what he thinks because it’s his opinion. What I think is wrong is how he is using bully tactics to try to get the schools to get rid of the club by threatening to convince others to vote “no” on a levy because of his beliefs. There’s no doubt there are others who share his beliefs and will vote no. I just hope it’s not for that reason. Hopefully voters are smart enough to separate two unrelated issues and vote “yes” or “no” on the levy for their own valid reasons. If they can’t afford another tax, vote no. If they think the schools are mis-managing money, vote no. But, it is a sad day when people vote “no” because of something that is meant to be a positive effort by these young adults. Personally, I hope teens in other high schools take note of this club and create something similar in their schools.

  • ScottA

    Narrow minds. Such a shame they have kids. Hopefully the kids are smarter than their simian parents and refuse to let them hold them back.

  • golfingirl

    Here is what I think.

    Sean MacNair posted here first. Those who “follow” him are alerted to this article and it cascades like the Amway business model.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but makes sense to me.

    • Bob Dobbs

      Yes its a liberrral conspiracy, they all get a text message whenever “good Christians” are standing up against the powers of Satan. Beelzebub sends them the text messages himself. Much like whenever Jesus is offended he sends out an email blast to alert all true believers that Christianity is under attack… actually no its not a conspiracy. Its just the natural repulsion of rational people of all faiths when they see fanatical, Taliban like, zealots getting their undies in a bunch over some perceived slight. At least that’s why I read the article and commented. PS I saw it in my news feed because I liked the CT.

      • golfingirl

        Okay, just asked.

        Never said it was conspiracy.

    • Sean MacNair

      Sean MacNair posted here first out of sheer dumb luck. I thought “Hey, I could be the first poster!” and I was. I have so little in life to look forward to :)

  • Bob Dobbs

    I thought Fred Phelps was dead… how is he commenting in this article? Here is an idea, worry about teaching your values to your own children and leave everyone else’s children alone. It is not a public schools job to enforce your morality/values on others. You are more than welcome to teach whatever bigoted backwards garbage you like to your own children. I find it funny when people that espouse this kind of hatred bash PUBLIC schools for allowing anything counter to their narrow beliefs. How is this any different than if a fanatical Muslim parent were to throw a tantrum because the school allowed girls to be educated at all or if they pitched a fit because Christian clubs were allowed. It is just as backwards, closed minded and repugnant. Its none of your business if your child is not part of this VOLUNTARY inclusive club. If they are a part of the club and you don’t like it, well that is a matter to be dealt with between you and your children. If you are so worried about your children being mislead from your values send them to a private school or better yet home school, although I think you will find that the gays are there too, but more guarded about it because of people like you. What’s funny about the presumption above is that you probably don’t even have any children in EHS. So why doth thou protest so much… That brings me to my next point. I believe those so opposed to any notion of gay people being treated as human beings and supported in any way instead of being treated as a pariah for offending their god are showing their own fear, denial, self loathing and seething hatred for their own “unnatural” feelings. Feelings that they cannot square with their own beliefs. May your god grant you peace in your heart, wisdom to find a way to love thy neighbor and allow you to find the grace to know your mean spirited declarations only serve to harden people’s position in opposition to your twisted ideals. Let me make this clear for you if you cannot tolerate anyone who does not believe as you do, please take your precious vote/tax money somewhere else. You are free to go and find other like minded individuals, obviously you cannot live in tolerance with others.

  • golfingirl

    I have a great idea. Since there is suddenly so much interest in what happens in Elyria from “outsiders,” I suggest they read the article on the fund raising efforts for the July 4 Fireworks display.

    Everyone kick in $20. It is great for Elyria, and since you have this community’s best interest in mind, I am sure you would be more than willing to donate.

    Or, do you have another agenda?

    • Sarah Boesger

      Why are fireworks in Elyria’s best interest, exactly?

      • golfingirl

        Just trying toy lighten up the subject a little.

        C’mon, where is your sense of humor?

        • Sarah Boesger

          I find nothing funny about teens committing suicide because of people like Chris Sito who would see them hide in the shadows.

          • golfingirl

            Sorry, I missed that story where Mr. Sito was responsible for a teen suicide. Did this occur recently?

    • Nathan Dohanos

      I have two issues regarding your stance on this issue, the first of which being your assumption that most people commenting on this article are “outsiders”. I’m not sure what evidence you have to substantiate that claim, but if you do have evidence, do share it.

      My second issue revolves around the same issue; why does it matter if there are outsiders who are commenting on this issue? I could understand if you’re trying to find which side of the argument Elyria sides with the most, but it’s important for others to voice their opinions. Issues such as these often set precedents for surrounding communities, and ultimately the country as a whole. For those who are for the LGBT Group, it is important they voice their opinion as strongly as they can so that they can fight the discrimination of LGBT people and vice versa.

    • Former Elyria and Glad

      Everyone, please provide golfingirl your license & registration, so she may decide whether you may comment or not.

      For not having an opinion on this, you’re sure jumping in heartily.

      • golfingirl

        Happy to take them.

        • Former Elyria and Glad

          What’s interesting is that the thoughts and opinions of folks who have experienced people and things outside of Lorain County scare you for some reason.

          • golfingirl

            Not really. I have lived all around the U.S. over the years.

            In fact, I lived in California for many, many years, so little shocks me.

            Anyway, good luck with you petition and hopefully this will all work out for you.

            Peace

      • golfingirl

        My opinion about the issue really is neutral.

        My opinion about people who really don’t give a damn about a city, probably can’t even find it on a map, but chime in, is not neutral.

        • Bob Dobbs

          Yeahh if you don’t live here you don’t count. Let us defend this unapologetically backwards and bigoted stance as religious freedom on our own…. because with less people maybe we can convince everyone that this is acceptable.

          • golfingirl

            I repeat….my avatar says what?

          • CalamariHari

            I repeat…Hmmm…that you’re an idiot?

        • Bob Dobbs

          I lol’d as I just noticed that your avatar says you are a former resident… Baahahahahahah +10 troll points. yet another example of people defending this “christian” position who are really just conflicted hypocrites. Please follow your own advice and stay out of Elyria disputes since you don’t live here.

          • golfingirl

            My avatar says what?

          • CalamariHari

            Hmmm….that you’re an idiot?

  • Sarah Boesger

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/reprimand-andor-remove-chris-seto-as-board-member

    I created this petition, which will be sent to the Little League East board, to make our voices heard on how we feel regarding the stance of Chris Sito. This will not be ignored. Our children deserve better.

    • golfingirl

      Now, now….you must be tolerate of other’s views.

      Exactly what does this have to do with him working in the city’s baseball program?

      • Sarah Boesger

        Are you serious right now?

        • golfingirl

          Sure I am serious.

          I may not agree with Mr. Sito’s approach, but any petition to request he be removed from a position with a Little League Board would have to show cause related to his capacity to continue his responsibilities in that position.

          He simply exercised his opinions. By circulating a petition, you are doing the very thing you criticize him for.

          If you demand tolerance from him, best to show the same level of tolerance you are demanding.

          Just saying, I don’t think his statements regarding gay issues have anything to do with his working with youth in a baseball program.

          The two are unrelated. Just my opinion.

          • Sarah Boesger

            They are most certainly not unrelated. He has expressed a very disapproving and hateful opinion toward the LGBTQ community. There are LGBTQ players on the Little League East teams. He should not be in a position of control over any child who expresses LGBTQ identity. That is the connection.

          • golfingirl

            Just saying, unless there are documented examples of him doing this, I really do not think you have a case.

            His issue, at least as written above, is with the schools being involved in these groups. While it may seem reasonable to conclude that he does not like gays, he never made that claim.

            I read your petition and I do think you are making claims which could never be proven. They really are opinions, which is okay, you have the right to express them, but may be best to leave them out of your petition.

            My guess is if he were to be removed, there would be litigation, unless it could be proven he discriminated against a gay child through his position with the baseball league.

            Again, this does not mean I agree with him, but you have to have the tolerance to accept what he has to say.

            Go ahead with your petition and best of luck. While there was a lot of support on this board, just remember most who have posted here do not live in Elyria and cannot participate in it. They are outsiders who jump into any discussion on gay rights. They will not be able to support you.

          • Sarah Boesger

            It’s OK. I don’t need their support. The kids who are members of Allies need our support, as do the kids in Little League East who identify as LGBTQ. It’s about those who can’t speak for themselves, not me.

          • golfingirl

            I’m OK with that.

            Peace

          • Bob Dobbs

            I thought I covered this, all the gay loving liberals get a text when good Christians are under attack. Seriously your attempt at a straw man argument and reverse psychology is ham handed at best. His intolerance can be expressed but it does not have to be tolerated by the organization if it harms the reputation of the organization. If little league thinks that a person who is willing to advocate harming the public education system because of the existence of a voluntary club that does not jibe with his beliefs is good for them to have on their board, then they are free to keep him. However if little league like most of the commenters I have read here, 96% of which are not liberal trouble makers but actually residents of Elyria, a neighboring city or a past resident, feel that this makes the little league organization look very bad, then they should let him go. But that decision is up to them.

          • golfingirl

            My point was that if they are not residents, they cannot sign a petition.

          • Bob Dobbs

            His expressed opinions show a high likelihood any openly gay little league player/team/sponsor would be discriminated against. Thereby showing his ability to continue his responsibilities would be impacted. He can say whatever he likes, that does not mean his employer or volunteer organization has to continue their association with him. Especially if it harms their reputation. Which I think this does.

          • golfingirl

            Problem is, you would have to be able to prove it from a legal perspective. It would be a stretch.

            Hey, I am not defending him here. Just curious, that’s all.

          • johns62

            its one thing to express an opinion. its another to try an intimidate thru misinformation. Frankly he should resign it he really cares about the Elyria LL.

        • Guest

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          • golfingirl

            It really would save a lot of time if people like you would read the freakin post before hammering away on your keyboard in self righteous rage.

            I never criticized the gay community, nor did I support this guy Sito anywhere in my posts.

            Really?

  • Homer Calcalavecchia

    Lol this clown has a bit too high an opinion of himself. He thinks he will sink the levy. More likely he’ll sink his own business.

    • Ginger Beane

      Very true Homer……I mean I was sent to the office occasionally when at Elyria Catholic because my skirt was one inch tooo short, back fired thoug,h I felt no guilt no shame…..I should have started a CLUB!!! Maybe call it…….FASHIONISTAS UNITE!!!

  • dave

    Chris I know you and the organaztion very well, my kids have played there for years…..your an idiot…I am truly religious and folks like you with your dumb comments prevent us like-minded Christians from saving souls…..this is softball Chris and you injected ur Christian values into it and have probably cost us everything that you thought would promote Christianity….what a dumbass

    • John Lawson

      Do you really think with that kind of language, that
      you’re fooling anyone into believing you’re a Christian?

      • johns62

        oh just because you’re religious,doesn’t mean you cant express yourself in more than a 3rd grade vocabulary?

  • Michael A. Figueroa

    So a group that promotes acceptance, tolerance, and friendship isn’t good enough for this self-righteous bigot? How surprising.

  • Michael A. Figueroa

    How does a friggin little league board member have any relevancy in this anyway?

  • Bruce

    As an Elyria resident, father, grandfather and Catholic, I am disgusted by the comments made by Chris Sito and Bob DuPont. I urge each of you to read Mr. Sito’s and Mr. DuPont’s Facebook posts to truly understand the hate in their hearts. I am sure that Mr. Sito’s church, St. Jude does not condone his vial comments and hatred towards others. These two men should not be permitted around our youth or be in a position of authority, ……Little League East. To threaten the future of a school district over a newly formed club to “HELP” students is unconscionable. Also, why did Mr. DuPont become so quiet and refuse to answer the reporter’s questions but was secretly spreading lies in the community and at the Polish Club? I will truly pray for these two men to end their bigotry towards mankind. I will also vote YES on Issue 2 and support our future.

    • Ginger Beane

      Yes, vote yes, for all the kids, embrace the 27 in the group, I am sure all families have dealt with adversity , Catholic, Christian, Jewish, Black, white, had a gay, straight, whomever showed need to be heard…maybe they can have there meeting at my house next month…..

  • Linda Groves

    I WILL be voting NO on issue 2.

  • golfingirl

    I have no intention to defame or disparage anyone. I am not moved by personal hatred against any individual, or group of people.

    What does bother me is that if anything this is said which could be construed as even vaguely anti-gay, it is met with an increasingly hostile reaction.

    We no longer prize intellectual conversation, preferring instead to dismiss our opponents in a few hundred-character feats of rhetoric. Names like bigot and homophobe are tossed around like they no longer mean anything. Many of these have been directed at me, and I have not even taken any position, which could be interpreted as anti-gay, nor have I support this Mr. Sito.

    Whenever we find an example of gay hatred, like with Mr. Sito, we are quick to convince the public that the only proper way to deal with these haters is to hate them. This just seems hypocritical to me. Fighting hate with hate just seems counter-productive.

    Too many seem to have lost sight of the true meaning of tolerance, and fight intolerance with more intolerance. Not only on this subject, many others posted here.

    If you want others to be tolerant of your views, you have to accept others views as well. This does not mean you have to agree with them, and can dismiss them, as you like.

    Mr. Sito is a perfect example of this. His defamatory remarks, intended to get people to vote against supporting the schools, will likely have the opposite effect. It is as much about the delivery of the message, as the content of the message. Way too much hostility on both sides, in this and other debates.

    Checking out of this debate now. Hope everyone has a great day.

  • LAB1660

    I see my comment was removed. No freedom of the press. Let the parents decide on how they want their children to socialize at school, but if the LGBT club is nixed, so too much the Christian prayer group. Make sure, too, that the levy proponents are registered PAC, as well as the group against the levy. Might get that rant by Graig Bansek in Columbia Schools going again.

  • crystal Adana

    Why not simply keep the kids sexual orientations out of school, period. It’s the schools job to teach children educational subjects….not to raise your child, nurture your child, or support a kid’s sexual orientation. Parents….stop depending on teachers and administration to raise your children. You’re the parents! Please handle such sensitive and private matters at home.

    • ClemsonGuy

      Crystal,

      Read the article – this is not a class or mandatory organization. This group is like the student prayer organization on campus – formed voluntarily by the students for the students. The district is not trying to “raise” the children or bring in sexual orientation. This was the choice of the students.

      The district, as Tom Jama points out, cannot shut down the group because it hasn’t done anything wrong and to do so would be a violation of the first amendment. In addition, if the district could and did try to shut down the group you are welcoming someone trying to do the same to the student prayer group or other student organizations that people object to on whatever grounds.

      I also want to point out one last thing – let’s get something straight here, these are high school kids. These are not middle school students, elementary students, kindergartners, etc, but high school students. Many of these students have, or will, be getting jobs, are already driving, a number smoke, and those old enough can vote, etc, as well as dealing with sexuality. These are not sheltered beings, but rather young adults.

      These young adults have taken it upon themselves to form voluntary student groups, such as these Allies (a continuation of the Gay-Straight-Alliance from when I was in high school. Where was all the rage then?), the student prayer group, Model U.N., etc. If the parents object to these legal expressions of speech then they should forbid their students are joining. Not all parents would agree, and furthermore, our freedom to express ourselves and form these groups cannot be infringed upon by the district, nor should they be.

  • Joe

    To all the people complaining Sito is being discriminated against. No he’s not. He was allowed to voice his opinion. Just like the duck hunter guy. What follows is just the reaction. Sometimes you say and then pay.

  • Chris

    Okay, so from what I have taken from this article is that Mr. Sito seems to be misinformed on the purpose of this group. Lots of people below me here have brought religion into the mix as well. I’m starting to doubt this entire county on the merit of their beliefs and morality as a whole.

    Here we are sitting here arguing over a group in a school in the middle of a city where there are much larger things to worry about, than whether your kid has homosexual friends who need an outlet to express themselves. We’re talking about ELYRIA here, you’re worried about a group where kids get together and talk about their FEELINGS and possibly common interests and not being inside on a computer or attached to their phones. Or in a house with friends loading up on heroin or any other abusive substance’s you parents leave in your cabinets for your children to find.

    How about people stop worrying about homosexuals and what they’re doing and how they’re doing it. It’s 2014, you have GIRLS who are 14 getting pregnant in your school district, you have kids who are 14 or younger drinking and doing drugs on and off school property. YOU have kids wielding weapons in and out of school and joining gangs and breaking into cars, houses, and ruining their lives.

    Yes, the EPD did a great job this week getting 21 people off the streets, but how about you focus on the real problems in your community and help the school system keep your kids out of danger instead of using your narrow mindedness to hurt the school system your children attend.

    Let’s face it this group is not brain washing kids to become homosexuals, nor are they having orgy’s on the school grounds. How is this hurting your kids’ who are probably in other extracurricular activities if your views are so poignantly against this I would assume. One group of 1% of the total population of the attendees in the school isn’t going to wash away the brain washing you’ve already done to your children.

    Relax and face the reality of the real problems in your community. A group for expressing themselves is not going to destroy your children’s own beliefs. If they are behind their own beliefs and feel strongly about them nothing would sway them correct?

    Solution as I have stated many times. Quit being a doucheberg and worry about the real issues. *ENDRANT*

  • Sarah Boesger

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/reprimand-andor-remove-chris-seto-as-board-member

    I am posting this again so everyone who would like to see Little League East take action against Chris Sito can have a voice. Please sign and share!

    • Starryeyes63

      NOW this needs a petition, or are child molesters OK in your book:: ”

      Nabakowski said immediately after Montgomery entered his guilty pleas that he wanted time to evaluate how to handle the situation with his longtime employee.

      “It takes a lot to make me fire somebody,” he said Tuesday, noting that throughout his career he has tried to find ways to keep employees with problems on the job.

    • Starryeyes63
  • Phil Seguin

    Maybe it is time that we consider directing the $10,329 spent per student in the Elyria district to parents in the form of a voucher so that they can decide what school is best for their children. If a school has a program that is important to you, you would be free to direct your tax dollars to it. Likewise if a school has a program that is offensive to you, you would be free to go elsewhere and take your tax dollars with you.

  • Jovialities

    Mr. Sito and Mr. Dupont, your malevolent use of ignorantio elenchi, non sequitor, ad hominem, argumentum ad populum, and argumentum ab auctoriate in your perverse endeavor to shamefully debase the honorable aims of the Allies club at Elyria High School to bring together the disparate experiences of heterosexual and homosexual adolescents is excessively
    reprobate, abased, and ignominious, amounting to nothing more than mendacious obfuscation of the matter at hand, and you both deserve every iota of chastisement that you have experienced at the hands of the citizens whose educations you have imperiled through your domineering and harassing attempts at extorting votes against Issue 2, which is a ballot measure intended to ensure the proper education of our heirs and descendants who will receive the legacy of our wisdom that we have passed down to them. Your narrow-minded, prejudiced, egotistical, miserly, and misanthropic assault on two equally beneficial, yet nevertheless,
    unrelated concerns mark you both as haughty, contemptuous, and disdainful
    scoundrels for whom even the stockade and pillory where the public may joyously expectorate upon you is too lenient and compassionate.

    If you are able to read this, please thank a teacher and vote YES on Issue 2.

    • Ginger Beane

      Well said Jovialities……having 2 teachers in the family, one at Elyria High School, your post is a breath a fresh air, say yes to Issue2…….for all the students, 1900, and the 27 as well…….!! Living out of the box feels good…they should try it!!!

    • golfingirl

      Please correct your punctuation. It is atrocious.

      • Jovialities

        I assure you that the punctuation is correct. There are formatting issues created by copying and pasting from Word to the web, but every jot and tittle is in its right and proper place.

        • golfingirl

          Jovialities,

          Is your circumlocution intentional in this discussion, or are you always such a sesquipedalian when you pen? If you feel this irksome style demonstrates your superior noesis, it is little more than anormalistic and nescient.

          If the purpose of your superabundant use of macroscopic words was to demonstrate your superior acumen or excogitation, it did neither. It simply served to obnubilate the topic under discussion. It did not serve to make you appear perspicacious, but on the contrary, made you appear as nothing more than a trite, platitudinous gasconade.

          In the future, I advocate for a more parsimonious use of words when posting your opinions on a blog. If only for practicality.

          Frankly, if a person prefers to osculate with a member of the same gender, it is their perquisite. If they concupiscent toward members of their own sexual orientation, and find it proficuous to do so, that is their affair, not mine. If they chose to be tribadistic, or paederastic, so be it.

          Not all people who post here are saxicolous lichens. However, for the sake of those who prefer to communicate in plain English, the unparagoned attitude you display through your obtuse use of words is both nettlesome and vexatious.

          Lastly, if you want to debate a topic, please refrain from reducing the argument to an insulting dismissal of other people’s ideas with statements such as “haughty, contemptuous, and disdainful
 scoundrels for whom even the stockade and pillory where the public may joyously expectorate upon you is too lenient and compassionate. ” This type of attack is what has turned American debate into the rancorous, vicious mudslinging contest that it has become.
 Does this statement resonant?

          If you are able to read this, please thank your parents.

          • Jovialities

            “Is your circumlocution intentional in this discussion, or are you always such a sesquipedalian when you pen?”

            Yes and yes.

            “If you feel this irksome style demonstrates your superior noesis, it is little more than anormalistic and nescient.”

            While “anormalistic” sounds like a real word, it does not appear in any dictionary that I own. Perhaps you mean “anomalous” or “anomalistic?” In either case, your use of the word is close to what you mean, but not exactly what you mean.

            “If the purpose of your superabundant use of macroscopic words was to demonstrate your superior acumen or excogitation, it did neither.”

            Apparently, you are one for whom the word “satire” has no meaning.

            “It simply served to obnubilate the topic under discussion. It did not serve to make you appear perspicacious, but on the contrary, made you appear as nothing more than a trite, platitudinous gasconade.”

            Pulled out your Shakespearean insult generator on that one, didn’t you?

            “In the future, I advocate for a more parsimonious use of words when posting your opinions on a blog. If only for practicality.”

            I write for the audience I wish to understand my meaning.

            “Frankly, if a person prefers to osculate with a member of the same gender, it is their perquisite.”

            While “perquisite” may be synonymous with privilege, it does not carry the same connotation. “Perquisites,” or “perks,” as they are known, refer to the additional advantages or privileges that come with occupation,
            rank, or position. The word you are seeking here is “prerogative.”

            “If they concupiscent toward members of their own sexual orientation, and find it proficuous to do so, that is their affair, not mine. If they chose to be tribadistic, or paederastic, so be it.”

            “Concupiscent” is an adjective. You have used it here as a verb. You need to insert a form of “to be” in front of it to make this a proper sentence. For example, “if they ARE concupiscent . . .” Additionally, you have broken this sentence’s parallelism by changing verbs in the second clause. This should read “and find it proficuous to BE so.”

            “Not all people who post here are saxicolous lichens. However, for the sake of those who prefer to communicate in plain English, the unparagoned attitude you display through your obtuse use of words is both nettlesome and vexatious.”

            I applaud you on these two sentences. Well-written. Being nettlesome and vexatious was my intention.

            “Lastly, if you want to debate a topic, please refrain from reducing the argument to an insulting dismissal of other people’s ideas with statements such as “haughty, contemptuous, and disdainful scoundrels for whom even the stockade and pillory where the public may joyously expectorate upon you is too lenient and compassionate.” This type of attack is what has turned American debate into the rancorous, vicious mudslinging contest that it has become.
 Does this statement resonant?”

            Firstly, the haughty, contemptuous, disdainful scoundrels who made their opinions known on their Facebook pages and in their comments to the Chronicle Telegram are the ones who started this. I’m simply calling them out on their BS. Secondly, mine is not an argumentum reductio ad absurdum statement here. I am actually attempting to raise the level of debate to a point where intelligent people use intelligent words and methods to state and support their claims. However, once again, you obviously do not understand satire. Lastly, “resonant” is an adjective, which you have once again attempted to use as a verb. What you really want to say is “resonate.”

            “If you are able to read this, please thank your parents.”

            Thank you for the Red Herring. I have a wonderful recipe for it. However, I do thank my parents for being smart enough to vote in favor of school levies that gave me free access to a public education, which has held me in good stead throughout my lifetime.

          • golfingirl

            Thank you Dr. English.

            Despite a couple of misspellings and use of words in an improper context, hopefully I passed your “class.”

            When it comes to the English language, I can assure you I am a compeer, despite the fact all my formal education has been in the sciences. I never really like English class much.

            If you want to make a point, make it. I view your excessive use of adjectives nothing more than a defense mechanism, used as a cover to confuse others into believing you are knowledgeable about what you write. If you can’t debate, just confuse with large words. A very common tactic, which generally shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

            I am guessing you are a drama instructor at some small, insignificant liberal arts college. You know the type of school which spouts tolerance and acceptance of others, regardless of their race, sexual orientation, eye color or any other human factor. A place where the First Amendment Rights of all must never be compromised.

            That is, unless someone exercises their First Amendment Rights in voicing an opinion which differs from yours. When they do, they should be spat upon by the public. Or as you put in “joyously expectorated” upon. Ah… the teachings and hypocrisy of todays’ liberal thinkers.

            Your views are really “bisexual,” in that you want it both ways. You defend free speech, but only when it agrees with your position.

            I do not condone Mr. Sito’s comments, I have never met him. In fact, I don’t agree with them. But I also do not condemn him for speaking his mind in any forum. Is this not what you preach? Free speech for all. The right to express yourself without fear or retribution.

            Criticism is fine, but to suggest someone is a scoundrel, who others should spit upon is a little childish and not in the spirit of the First Amendment. Would you agree?

            I think the fitting punishment for Mr. Sito’s wayward speech should be that he is subjected to listening to your drivel and gibberish for a day. Maybe even force him to listen to the recitation of a few Shakespearian sonnets. No, this would be far too cruel a price to pay for any man.

            Frankly, you remind me of the type of person everyone attempts to avoid at a party. You just don’t seem like much fun. You know, the guy who corners you and talks incessantly for hours, about nothing.

            However, do appreciate the fact that when you cut and pasted your last response, at least you took the time to correct the punctuation. I do not think I have ever seen a sentence as long the one in your first post.

  • John Boy

    The club doesn’t bother me, it’s tough to be a child today and support from others might keep someone from harming themselves. The question I would ask is why Elyria spends $10,329 per student and Avon spends $ 7,181, Keystone $8,834, Amherst $8,972 (which school districts would you rather send your children?) but this levy is defined as “much needed” by the reporter. How do those schools succeed with less resources than Elyria?

    • golfingirl

      The Cleveland school district spends about $15,000 per student, making it among Ohio’s highest-spending districts, even as it sits at the bottom in results.

      It is a dropout factory. Only about 50% of those who enter 9th grade will graduate.

      The solution is always to throw more money at the problem, instead at looking at where the money is spent. History has proven this does not solve the problem.

      They spend more, because they get more, under this false premise it will improve results.

      • SniperFire

        Any population that births 85% of their children out of wedlock and then immorally abandons them to single motherhood and dumps them on the government to raise will never enjoy ‘equality’ with responsible people.

        • Vision

          • SniperFire

            Fact. Not opinion. Look around.

  • Ginger Beane

    Becky, I so agree, if this group helps one kid from feeling guilt, shame, then they are all good…….in the 60′s and 50′s pregnant girls were sent off to some unidentified secret place, poor things had the same guilt and shame, would probably joined such a club!!! Wheres the compassion?

  • dimensio

    I must agree with Mr. Sito. The school’s refusal to violate federal law is entirely unacceptable.

    • ClemsonGuy

      Please tell me this is sarcasm.

  • Open Opinion

    Chris Sito is WRONG on his merits and discussion points. His views are WRONG and his opinion on this matter reflecting to the school’s levy vote is WRONG. In my opinion, I am very proud of this district and its’ students. Again Chris Sito’s views are WRONG.

  • 2111

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    While this situation reminds me of this I find it hard to swallow. I think Mr. Sito is an ignorant mouth breather hardly worthy of all the ire directed toward him because of the shear ridiculousness of his comments. To call him a friend would not be true with his world view so opposed to normal humans. It saddens me to think that he has any form of contact with the children of Elyria. I hope the backlash against him brings about positive change toward his capacity or involvement with LLE.

    I will gladly stand with him in opposition to the school levy. Until parents get the choice of where or how to spend the monies allotted for their children’s education, I cannot support feeding more money toward a system of no choice. The monopoly of public education is something that would normally be opposed by people if that monopoly were to be a big business.

  • Rebecca A. White

    What are you afraid of, Chris and Bob? That this group will teach tolerance? Do we have too much of that already? Or that the group will switch hetero kids to homosexuality? Is that because you could easily be switched? Why the loud protest?

  • Brian

    Inspired by a true story:

    Once upon a time there was a sad man named Shmis Shmito. From a very young age, he felt a strange attraction to boys, but he didn’t understand it. All he knew was that his parents and his priest told him that those kinds of feelings were very, very naughty. So Shmis Shmito repressed his feelings as much as he could.

    He even married a nice woman and had a lot of kids, and sometimes he thought for sure he would never have those naughty feelings again. But other times, Shmis Shmito couldn’t take it, and he found himself having encounters that he found deeply shameful and could never tell anyone about.

    After several decades believing that such feelings — and by extension, people like him who felt them — were disgusting, it was very hard for Shmis Shmito to understand and accept that the world could change so much that the students at Shmelyria High School were now able to not only openly acknowledge that they had the same types of feelings, but also find acceptance among students who did not feel the same way.

    Shmis Shmito’s parents always told him he needed to follow the rules, and Shmis Shmito thought that these feelings were against the rules. It made him very angry to see other children enjoying themselves instead of being forced to pretend to be something they are not, like he was.

    So mean Shmis Shmito decided to jeopardize the education of all the students in the entire city. The schools needed money to teach math, but Shmis Shmito tried to make sure they couldn’t get any money. He posted all sorts of crazy nonsense on his Facebook page. He knew he was being a hypocrite, so he pretended that it was all because there was an old man in the sky who said he loved everyone but actually hated gay people.

    Of course, the fine people of Shmelyria were not as backwards as this sad, self-loathing wretch, and they understood that their sometimes competing ideas about how to address issues of tolerance and freedom didn’t really have anything to do with whether their schools should be able to teach math. So they approved Issue 2, and they approved of kids being kids, and everyone was very happy.

    The end.

  • stop ur whining part deux

    What COULD happen without this club? Try kids getting bullied to the point where they come in the school with a gun and go to work. Im sure Mr. Sito would feel differently if his kids brains are splattered all over the halls.

    What do all the school shootings have in common? Children that were not adequately taught to handle their emotions and deal with their demons. Most of this is due to parents who are not doing their job as parents, but that is another topic for another day. But since these children are not being taught these valuable resources at home, they are trying to do it themselves.

    More importantly, they have played by the rules. They did everything the school requires to start a club. We all love to teach our kids that we live in a great country where everyone has rights and everyone has a voice while at the same time trying to suppress them.

  • The Shamer

    Shame on Chris Sito and his fellow bigots. Their bigotry is now going to possibly come between a public school and its funding. This is not how people should behave.

    • 2muchgovernment

      Mr. Sito trying to bully the school into nixing the club. And parents wonder where their kids learn bullying? Look in the mirrow. Hopefully other parents are smart enough to separate the two issues because from what I can tell, there is no tax money being used to fund this club.

  • Darren Foster

    Mr. Sito must realize that while he does have a legacy of sorts because of his name, he does not run Elyria High School. I personally think this club is a fantastic idea, and was thrilled when my daughter told us that she wanted to join and to partake in the “protest” this morning. This club is designed to help these young adults understand what the others are going through and to support each other as “ALLIES”. Do you not understand that?

    • Vision

      Sadly, no they do not understand. They think the LGBT community has a disease and or mental disorder that can be cured, or “Forgiven”. Those are the people your trying to “Make” understand. They won’t. The only time a bully retreats is when confronted with someone of more mental and physical strength than them. In this case, and others, the “Sito’s of the world” will always be around and lurking, looking for victims they can force their impressions upon.

  • Vision

    Bulletproof.

  • SniperFire

    Who said anything about transvestites?

    • SandyRavage

      being transgendered is not the same thing as a transvestite.

  • Guest
    • Sis Delish

      My Club has an opinion on this. In My Club, we must prove that we have a SS#, a Driver’s License or other form of Identification for the following: To get a Library Card; to Open a Bank Account; to Apply for a Loan or Mortgage; to rent a Video; to cash a Check. We also must prove that we are a citizen of the United States before we are allowed to vote on all those things you wish to include us in. That’s what My Club’s opinion on this YouTube from Guest is.

      Since My Club posted the above, the YouTube and comment has disappeared. My Club thinks its because someone in another Club found it objectionable and had the power to remove it. That’s what My Club thinks.

  • Justin Hersh

    Why is everyone complaining about a freaking club!? Get over yourselfs! It’s a club! Not a competition for anything. If EHS wants to have the club, leave it at that. I am here standing up for my school. I dont really care what others think. A club is A CLUB! Dont like it, dont think about it!

    • golfingirl

      Well said!!

      It only took 275 comments to finally get to one that makes sense.

  • Matthew Hawley

    I am a student here at Elyria high school and part of the alliance Club and a proudmember of the gays society I can not believe that hey man would say these things about a high school alliance Club and outrageous me to hear these things these are the types of things that we hear that keep us from coming out as proud members of the gay societywe will not stand for it anymore we will keep moving forward we will never stop and will never look back behind us

  • Sis Delish

    I have just formed a Club.

    Now that I have a Club, I cannot be attacked on this or any other blog.

    I am the only member of this Club. This Club of Mine was formed so that I might be protected from those who do not understand me or my postings in a way that I would like them to understand me and my postings.

    I have found that by forming my Club, I have a new found Freedom I didn’t have when I was Clubless. Others were attacking my postings because they didn’t understand. They didn’t care. Some call them Bigots.

    My Club is NOT open to any other members, yet, it is not exclusive–it is an idea which is Inclusive. You see, you too, can form your own Club.

    By forming your own Club, you announce to the world you have formed a Club which represents how you feel. Once inside your Club, no one can touch you. Of course, the purpose of your Club is to provide yourself with a respite from the rest of the world so that you might concentrate on You, Your Interests, and Your desires.

    So, go ahead, form and join your very own Club! Its what your children would do.

    • golfingirl

      Please let me join your club. I want to be the first member.

      Make an exception, PLEASE!
      Please, please, please….laughing

    • golfingirl

      I have an idea for my very own club. It is the Golf Club Club. (GCC)

      At GCC, we cannot actually use a golf club to strike a ball, it might lead to violent behavior. Hitting is not allowed.

      When we play a round of golf, we do not keep score, as some may have their feelings hurt if they lose.

      Afterward, we will eat. However, those who earn more will have to contribute more. Pay their fair share you know.

      All golfers can dress as they like, men can wear golf skirts, women can wear pants. This is a unisex club.

      There are fees and dues, but only for the top 50% of wage earners. They have to pay the way for the other members.

      We must have at least one minority and one women in each foursome when we play.

      Illegal immigrants are encouraged to join, papers not necessary.

      We will provide separate facilities for men, women, bisexuals, transvestites and unicorns.

      Prayers before, while or after playing are not permitted. However, you may roll out your blanket and pray to Allah, holding up play for other members.

      Use of heroin, marijuana and other illicit drugs is encourage. It makes it more fun.

      We cannot refer to the term “hole-in-one” as it may offend certain genders. We will instead call it a “hole-of-your-choice-in-one.”

      You may take a free drop from any sand traps, so as not to offend our players from Iran and Afghanistan.

      Hey, this club thing is fun…I could go on and on. I love making my own rules, without anyone being able to change any of them.

      • Oneday67

        Now that was funny. Laughed out loud.

  • CalamariHari

    Oh, Chris Sito….I just shake my head at your ignorance and hatred. It explains for alot…

  • Joe Smith

    If this club is for BOTH straight AND gay ( this would mean everybody) and it is designed to discuss topics directly related to BOTH the gay AND straight communities ( this would mean all communities) why point out the sexuallity of anyone and just call it the Allies Club to discuss topics related to the community?

    • SandyRavage

      Gay people aren’t part of the community?

      • Joe Smith

        I guess you missed the “all” portion of my answer when I said “BOTH the gay AND straight communities ( this would mean all communities)”

        • SandyRavage

          Oh, so gay people can’t be part of YOUR community. I get it. Separate but equal.

          • Joe Smith

            Where are you getting this stupidity? Show me one spot where I said anything about gay people are not part of my community, just one spot……oh you can’t and are just making it up. If you have the ability to comprehend what I was saying, my WHOLE POINT was that everybody are equal and shouldn’t categorise themselves as separate groups. Just be people not gay people, not straight people just people.

          • SandyRavage

            Then that’s a stupid point. Gay kids have a different(and much more difficult) high school experience than straight kids do. The rate of suicides for gay teens is exponentially higher in large part because of bullying. You can’t stop homophobic bullying without addressing the causes of it. You can’t provide a safe haven to gay kids if nobody tells them they shouldn’t feel ashamed to be who they are.

          • Joe Smith

            You are just too slow, I said nothing about any of the topics you are talking about, you are ranting to the wrong person as I said nothing but how everybody should be equal.

            If everybody was equal then none of the issues you are stating would exist would they?

            Show me where I said one thing against anybody gay, if you can’t just don’t bother……sigh

          • SandyRavage

            You didn’t say anything directly homophobic, just completely ignorant. Homophobia negatively impacts all of society, not just its immediate victims, this club serves a necessary purpose in helping victims of homophobic bullying, both gay and straight.

            This club might not need to exist in your delusional fantasies where everyone is treated equally, but that’s not reality.

          • Joe Smith

            Not only did I not say anything directly homophobic, I said nothing even remotely homophobic.

            If saying everyone should be treated the same is homophobic, then I am homophobic.

            Comprehension is vital, try it.

          • SandyRavage

            again, pay attention. I said you were a naive idiot, not a homophobe.

          • Joe Smith

            And since you can’t back that up with a single fact, that makes you worse.

          • SandyRavage

            Sure I can. You have the naive idiotic view that this club isn’t going to help teens, gay and straight, deal with homophobic bullying and that it’s not useful.

          • Joe Smith

            Please Cut and paste the text where I said that, the club was started for and quote

            “The club, named “Allies,” allows students to “come together in an accepting and open environment intentionally designed to discuss topics directly related to both the gay and straight communities,”

            I don’t see where it says anything about being about helping with homophobic bullying, is this yet just another thing you made up so you can have a agenda?

          • SandyRavage

            You said that it should discuss topics related to the community. Bullying caused by homophobia is a critically important topic facing the community. Ignoring the problem and pretending everyone in society is treated equally isn’t going to make the problem go away.

  • CalamariHari

    Hey, folks. Sis Delish? Ummm…troll. IGNORE.

    • Sis Delish

      My Club has an opinion on this posting by CalamariHari. My Clubs’ opinion is CalamariHari only today created the name CalamariHari to use exclusively in an effort to try and intimidate members of Organized Clubs such as mine. My Club also believes that the poster known as CalamariHari discriminates against little ugly people who live under bridges. My Club refers to this type of behavior as Ignorant and members such as CalamariHari as Bigots. That’s My Club’s opinion.

      • CalamariHari

        Wow – you are SOOO SMART! I am impressed by your panther-like agility of mind….yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

        • golfingirl

          I am equally impressed. Are you really the God of Cephalopodas, as your name implies?

          I bow at your altar, my Lord.

      • CalamariHari

        I give – you are on to me. :-/

      • golfingirl

        My new club, Free the Squid, was formed to protest against those who cover defenseless, innocent, little creatures from the sea with batter and then submit them to deep-frying.

        We do not eat calamari and find any reference to this cruel killing of this adorable species for human consumption very offensive.

        Our slogan is “Remove the Squid from the Human Food Chain.”

  • CalamariHari

    Yeah the Sitos are a piece of work…I pray for them…

  • CalamariHari

    BTW – kids. Good for you – standing up to ignorance and bigotry! That’s really what this discussion is all about!

  • Carla Reichlin

    Shame on you! I will be sure to vote yes just to cancel out your hate! The children’s education should not suffer due to bigotry

    • Jessica McCallister

      I will be voting yes!

  • Jessica McCallister

    exactly.

  • Don Miller

    Why should just one group of sexual deviants get their own club at this high school? How dare they exclude students who are pro-incest, pro-polygamy or pro-pedophilia. When do they get their own club? When a society decides to eliminate religion and moral standards, then anything goes. And using liberal logic, to disagree or to show any outrage over any of the student groups I mentioned makes you an intolerant, closed-minded, hateful bigot. After all, the God-hating, Bible-burning leftists are always telling us that as long as people “love each other,” who are we to judge? Hey Elyria, celebrate perversity! (By the way, I expect this post to get deleted by the liberal thought police who run this site and are perpetually offended.)

  • Daniel

    The irony of this all is that these kids in this alliance are showing more maturity and civility than most of the adults in this story and this forum. They are showing us that just because you are different, you shouldn’t be subjected to hate, intolerance and discrimination so long as you are not hurting anyone else. Those who are trying to force their religious views onto others (by trying to deny school funding because this group exists) are negatively effecting other people. I don’t see how these kids are hurting anyone. Intact they are helping eachother understand that just because some were born gay doesn’t mean they are no less of a person than someone who is straight. No one is going to turn you or your children gay. If you believe they are “sinning”, then so be it. Let god (if he/she exists) be their judge. We don’t need the Westboro Baptist Church here in Elyria.

  • schoolcounselor1

    Dear Mr. Sito:

    Your narrow-minded thinking is what is wrong in our America. We fear what we do not understand, Mr. Sito. Take a step back and a breath. It is apparent to me that you have no idea what an Allies Club is all about. And, with that said, it makes me wonder how anyone with such a limited knowledge base can be on the board of any sports program connected with our youth. Shame on you, Mr. Sito. Shame on you and anyone else who is as narrow-minded and bigoted as you are, sir. Signed, A concerned parent and retired school counselor.

  • justme3003

    I don’t understand what the big deal is, the kids will form “clubs” and gather at school to discuss topics. We had clubs back in the 80′s that were similar and nobody made a such a ruckus about them then. I won’t back the Levy only because they ask for a raise in the levy every year and yet show nothing in return, not because they have a LGBT group. Learn to budget what you have to spend, like all the rest of us in Elyria.

    The bad thing is if it doesn’t pass, the media is going to place the entire city in a bad light. Thus citing the only reason it didn’t pass is because of this group,and not because we are tired of having our taxes raised for a school district that hasn’t learned to budget. :/

    • SandyRavage

      they’re not asking for a raise this year.

  • Rick

    Well… Since Chris is all about judgment maybe we should judge him based on the company he keeps.

    • Air and Light

      Great post. Expose them for what they are. I mean we all have faults, but bigotry has got to go.

  • Bill Franklin

    Excellent article on the Sito initiative and issue 2. http://www.everythingtastesbetterwithasideofbacon.com/articles/allied-issue-2

  • Erin Glaser

    Mr. Sito and all others opposed to this group’s existence:

    By all means, atrophy in your own hatred and ignorance while the rest of us leave you behind for a (hopefully) more progressive future, but please don’t make a school-district and students who are light-years beyond you in love and acceptance pay the price for your bigotry by throwing an immature and unfounded tantrum. You are the reason “Allies” exists, so thank you for giving credence to their cause. P. S. They aren’t a sex-club, maybe if you actually spoke to any gay people, you could educate yourselves and avoid making these embarrassing gaffes.

    Thanks,
    Everyone in support of education and basic human rights

    • SniperFire

      Have there been any reported cases of AIDs as of yet?

  • Don Miller

    So this club should exist so we can coddle and “understand” the immoral deviants instead teaching them what’s right and wrong? Nice logic. So these children won’t be planning sexual activity in this fine and upstanding club? Oh really? And will they be meeting at some bath house in downtown Cleveland for a field trip? No, I don’t personally know Chris Sito, but I certainly would feel safe to have him around my children — something that I couldn’t say about someone like you. It’s rather strange that the people of Elyria are trying to recreate Sodom and Gomorrah but are expecting a different result this time around. Celebrate perversity!

    • SandyRavage

      “So these children won’t be planning sexual activity in this fine and upstanding club?”

      Not any more than in any other clubs. They are teenagers of course.

      • Don Miller

        Not any more than in any other clubs? Wow, did you really compare a chess club or a computer club with a club that exists to facilitate and encourage sodomy between children? People like you shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near children.

  • woodyhaze

    I support Bob and Chris as far as their tireless work bat LLEast. For those that don’t know or are too ignorant, Bob Dupont was a driving force to develop LLEast fields , 20 yes ago. I hope all the hyperventilating liberals here, realize not only did they get rid of Chris, but you also lost your league president when he resigned.

    • SandyRavage

      Who cares?

      • woodyhaze

        You do, you replied, now go paint a rainbow unicorn or some thing :-)

        • SandyRavage

          No, I care that somebody’s delusional enough to think it matters. That troubles me.

  • woodyhaze

    VOTE NO ON ISSUE 2

  • Sis Delish

    Chris Sito should apply for Ron Nabakowski’s job…

  • SandyRavage

    And the homecoming dance is an orgy, right?

  • Don Miller

    “A safe haven?” Encouraging our children to engage in morally-destructive, physically unhealthy, potentially life-threatening behavior is teaching them to be safe? What a disgusting pervert you are.

    • SandyRavage

      The only “morally destructive” thing I see here is you.

      • Don Miller

        You’re calling homosexual sodomy a moral and emotionally healthy behavior that needs to be embraced by our young children in public schools? That’s all anyone needs to know about you militant homosexuals. And it’s a tragedy what’s happened to our public schools in the last 50 years.

        • SandyRavage

          I’m not gay Don. I’m just not a bigot.

          • Don Miller

            You’re not gay? Oh, sure you’re not. And you’re not a Christian-bashing, Bible-burning bigot? Oh, sure you’re not.

          • SandyRavage

            No, I’m not. And I’m not a “bible-burning bigot” either. I have a lot of Christian friends.