October 22, 2014

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Amherst family embraces fight to legalize marijuana

Former Amherst resident Jason Pardee with some of the marijuana he grows in California.  COURTESY PHOTOS

Former Amherst resident Jason Pardee with some of the marijuana he grows in California. COURTESY PHOTOS

Jason Pardee considers himself a medical refugee.

The 27-year-old Amherst native now lives in the San Bernardino Mountains of California, where he grows and smokes marijuana, activities illegal under both federal and Ohio law.

“I need to smoke pretty much every day because I do have chronic pain,” Pardee said.

California is one of 20 states, along with the District of Columbia, that have legalized marijuana for medical or recreational use or both.

If Pardee’s father, John Pardee, has his way, Ohio will join the ranks of medical marijuana states after the November election.

To make the fall ballot, Pardee’s organization, the Ohio Rights Group, must come up with the valid signatures of 385,247 registered voters from 44 of Ohio’s 88 counties by July 2.

At the moment, they have about 50,000 signatures, said Lorain County Commissioner Ted Kalo, who is among those backing the push for a constitutional amendment to legalize medical marijuana and industrial hemp in the Buckeye State.

There are other medical marijuana proposals out there, but John Pardee said the one his organization is backing has the best chance of making the ballot.

“We’re the only game in town that has any shot in 2014,” he said.

Broken body

Jason Pardee readily admits that in his youth, he smoked pot purely for fun. But that was before his life and his relationship with the drug changed in January 2008.

Pardee said he was attending art school in Sarasota, Fla., at the time and was heading to a record store to sell some old CDs when his car was broadsided by a vehicle driven by a teenage girl.

The 2008 crash in which Jason Pardee was seriously injured.

The 2008 crash in which Jason Pardee was seriously injured.

His injuries, he said, were severe — a shattered pelvis, broken ribs and punctured lungs that kept him in a medically-induced coma for two weeks while doctors began putting him back together. His pelvis took more than a dozen pins and screws to reconstruct and he had to learn to walk again.

He said he was given traditional painkillers to ease the agony, but those came with their own set of problems, including the risk of addiction.

But then he tried marijuana and the pain went away without side effects, Pardee said. His father, he recalled, was not happy.

John Pardee doesn’t dispute that he used to be on the other side of the medical marijuana issue, describing his mindset at the time as that of a “devoted skeptic.”

“When I found him using it daily, that was my understanding of someone who’s got a problem,” he said. “That was the beginning of my education.”

Jason Pardee, who graduated from the Cleveland Institute of Art in 2011, said he ultimately decided to put aside his childhood dream of becoming an artist and cartoonist to focus on dealing with his pain.

In 2012, he moved to California, where he said he breaks even growing marijuana and tries to be “as rugged as possible” now that he’s shed the canes and walkers that he once relied on. He skateboards, surfs and hikes, but the pain is always there.

“I still feel old, unfortunately,” Pardee said.

His father supports him and that means trying to change Ohio law so his son can come home.

“He’s obviously my son and I didn’t want him living illegally, so I got involved,” said John Pardee, an environmental consultant living in Amherst.

Law of the land

Under federal law, marijuana is classified as a Schedule I drug, which means that it has a high potential for abuse and no recognized medical benefit, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration website. Marijuana is in the same category as heroin, ecstasy and LSD.

By comparison, less regulated Schedule II drugs include cocaine, methamphetamines and fentanyl, a painkiller that caused a rash of overdoses, including some deaths, in Lorain County late last year. Schedule II drugs are considered dangerous, but have less potential for abuse than Schedule I drugs, according to the DEA.

John Pardee of the Ohio Rights Group discusses efforts to get a medical marijuana issue on the November ballot.

John Pardee of the Ohio Rights Group discusses efforts to get a medical marijuana issue on the November ballot.

John Pardee said the idea that marijuana is highly addictive is ridiculous.

“You don’t see people using cannabis having that screaming need to feed their habit,” he said.

Possession of marijuana remains illegal under Ohio law, but possession of less than 100 grams is considered a minor misdemeanor, the legal equivalent of a traffic ticket.

Elyria City Prosecutor Matt Mishak said the penalty is a fine of up to $150 and a mandatory six-month driver’s license suspension. The same penalties are applied to those convicted of possession of drug paraphernalia.

Although the driver’s license suspension accompanies any drug conviction, the other penalties grow increasingly severe the larger the quantity of marijuana. Get caught with enough weed and Ohio residents can face lengthy mandatory prison sentences.

Kenneth Lieux, an Elyria defense attorney, said it makes little sense to impose a driving penalty on someone arrested on marijuana charges. He also said that a marijuana conviction comes with a host of other problems beyond the penalties imposed by the courts.

Lieux said a marijuana conviction can prevent people from getting federal student aid and can impact job prospects, especially when it comes up in background checks listed as “drug abuse” or “drug possession” charges.

“If a prospective employer is doing a background check and sees it, they may think it’s worse than it is,” said Lieux, who supports legalization.

Howard Rahtz, the former commander of the vice squad in Cincinnati now working as an author and speaker on legalization for Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, said there’s a stigma that comes from a drug conviction, even for marijuana, that never goes away.

“You can get over an addiction, but you can’t get over a conviction,” said Rahtz, who was a drug counselor before becoming a police officer.

Nationwide there were 749,825 people arrested on marijuana-related charges in 2012. Of those arrests, 658,231, or nearly 88 percent, were for possession, reported the Drug Policy Alliance, a pro-legalization group.

In 2013, Elyria Municipal Court handled 102 minor misdemeanor marijuana cases that originated from Elyria police alone, according to figures provided by Elyria Clerk of Courts Eric Rothgery’s office. When other communities in the jurisdiction of Elyria Municipal Court — North Ridgeville, Grafton, LaGrange and Carlisle, Columbia, Eaton, Elyria, Grafton and LaGrange townships — were included, the number rose to 303 cases.

Police opposition

Rahtz’s position puts him at odds with many in the law enforcement community, including Lorain County Sheriff’s Chief Deputy Dennis Cavanaugh, commander of the Lorain County Drug Task Force.

Cavanaugh said he is adamantly opposed to legalization, which he believes will create a large number of problems, just as he believes it has in other states that now have legalized pot.

“It certainly has the potential to be abused and get out of control,” he said.

Cavanaugh said states that have already legalized marijuana in some form have seen an uptick in problems ranging from drugged driving to increased marijuana usage.

According to a report on the legalization of marijuana in Colorado, prepared by the Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area, between 2006 and 2011, traffic fatalities in that state dropped 16 percent. But the report said that fatalities involving drivers testing positive for marijuana increased 114 percent in that same timeframe.

Lieux said it’s hard to accurately discern whether someone is actually stoned. While a breath or blood test can determine if someone is drunk, the same isn’t true of marijuana use, he said.

Because marijuana can remain in a user’s system for up to 30 days, there’s no real way to determine when that person smoked pot, Lieux said. He said there are efforts underway to find a way to establish whether a marijuana user shouldn’t be behind the wheel, but so far no definitive test exists.

The length of time that marijuana can linger in the body is one of the chief concerns of many on both sides of the issue because of the impact a positive drug test can have on someone’s job, particularly in the age of the Drug Free Workplace and similar initiatives.

Marijuana was found recently by auto repair shop employees in a spare tire in Amherst Township. CHRONICLE FILE PHOTO

Marijuana was found recently by auto repair shop employees in a spare tire in Amherst Township. CHRONICLE FILE PHOTO

Lorain County Commissioner Tom Williams, who signed Kalo’s petition but opposes legalization, said drugged driving is one of his main worries about the idea. Figuring out who’s too high to drive would require a whole new method of testing and he isn’t certain that’s the best use of government resources.

Cavanaugh also said he thinks that legalizing marijuana, even for medicinal purposes, would lead to more crimes, including burglaries as users try to get enough money to buy more of the drug. He said that’s what law enforcement already has to deal with when it comes to other drug addicts and the problem would only get worse with legalization.

“I do think your crime rate’s going up,” he said.

He and other critics also worry that legalization would lead to more access to the drug for youths.

The Rocky Mountain report said that in 2011, the national average of 12-to-17-year-olds smoking marijuana was

7.64 percent, the highest that figure had been since 1981. The report said that in Colorado, the average percentage of youth in that age group using pot was 10.72 percent.

Lorain County Prosecutor Dennis Will, himself a retired Elyria police officer, said he has concerns about how legal marijuana would be handled in Ohio based on what he’s seen in other states.

For instance, he said dispensaries in Colorado are still struggling to figure out how to handle their massive cash flow because of federal regulations that largely prohibit banks from knowingly taking money made from drug sales. He said that has led to those running marijuana businesses becoming robbery targets because of the large amounts of cash they often have with them or at their homes or businesses.

“To me, it’s not a simple yes or no answer to a question,” Will said. “If you’re going to look at this as a policy decision, you better look at everything.”

Black market controversy

Another concern for Cavanaugh is that police now find themselves having to combat high-grade marijuana coming out of states where the drug is legally grown. Although most marijuana is more potent than it was in the 1960s heyday of the hippies, he said legally grown marijuana can pack quite a punch for users, making it more sought after.

Cavanaugh said states that have legalized marijuana in one form or another have become supply hubs for states that still have full prohibition. He said that’s because the quality of the product is so much better than what people might otherwise be able to acquire on the black market.

He said medical marijuana sells for between $3,000 and $3,500 per pound on the street, while regular marijuana is going for about $1,500 a pound.

The Rocky Mountain report said that between 2005 and 2008, yearly seizures involving weed exported from Colorado grew from an average of 2,220 pounds to 3,937 pounds. A total of 7,008 pounds of Colorado weed was seized by law enforcement in 2012.

The U.S. Postal Inspection Service also has seen an increase in Colorado pot being sent through the mail. In 2010, 57 pounds of Colorado marijuana was intercepted in the mail, the Rocky Mountain report said. In 2012, the figure was 262 pounds.

Cavanaugh said he doesn’t believe marijuana can ever be fully contained, but it can and should be controlled as much as possible, something that will become more difficult if medical marijuana proponents have their way.

“You’re still going to have the black market,” he said.

It’s one of the few areas where Cavanaugh and John Pardee agree.

The existence of the black market, Pardee said, is why more people are focused on medical marijuana rather than recreational use.

“People who want recreational marijuana can already get it,” Pardee said. “Everybody’s got a dude.”

Rahtz, the former vice cop turned marijuana advocate, believes that legalizing pot would actually cripple the cartels who supply the drug.

“If we take marijuana sales away from them, they will suffer a 60 percent loss of revenue,” Rahtz said. “I don’t know how many businesses can deal with losing 60 percent of their business.”

Taking marijuana off the black market, he said, also would dramatically reduce the violence associated with the illegal drug trade, not just on the border between the U.S. and Mexico, but on the streets of the nation as well.

Public support

The shift in public perceptions of marijuana, once vilified in anti-drug movies such as “Reefer Madness,” has accelerated in recent years.

According to a poll from Quinnipiac University released in February, 87 percent of Ohioans support legalizing marijuana for medical purposes. The same poll found that 51 percent of Ohioans support legalizing possession for personal use, while 44 percent oppose it.

The poll also found that 55 percent of Ohio voters, including 54 percent of voters under age 30, said they haven’t tried marijuana.

Polls, of course, can vary. Take for instance, the differences between two surveys on marijuana usage conducted by two polling organizations last year.

A 2013 Gallup poll on consumption habits found that 38 percent of Americans admit to having used marijuana. A Pew Research Center survey, also conducted last year, found that 48 percent of adults said they have tried marijuana.

Despite polls showing the vast majority of Ohioans favor legalizing marijuana for medical purposes, Jason Pardee isn’t optimistic about the chances that it will get on the ballot this year.

“To me it’s the reality of Ohioans and their pre-existing judgments of cannabis,” he said.

The younger Pardee said even those who smoke pot can’t come out and say so because they’ll face criminal penalties. He said the general public would be surprised to learn who secretly smokes pot.

State Rep. Matt Lundy, D-Elyria, said he knows a lot of people want to see marijuana legalized, even if he doesn’t personally support the idea.

He said he’s received numerous anonymous letters from people urging him to support legalization. He said the letters often begin in the same way, with people writing, “Matt, you know me and I smoke marijuana.”

Rahtz said politically marijuana legalization remains a hard sell for politicians seeking re-election.

“We’ve got a bunch of timid politicians who are afraid of being called soft on drugs or soft on crime,” he said.

He said it’s especially frustrating for him to see politicians, such as President Barack Obama, who have smoked marijuana, continue to fight against legalization, even though they themselves broke drug laws in their youth.

Obama himself said earlier this year in an interview with The New Yorker that while he doesn’t believe marijuana is any more dangerous than alcohol, he doesn’t support legalization. Obama was critical in that same interview of how marijuana arrests disproportionally affect poor minorities.

Cavanaugh said he thinks marijuana use knows no class or racial boundaries.

“I don’t think it’s a racial thing,” he said. “It’s across the board.”

Gin or joint

The question of just how dangerous marijuana is remains a key divide between those who support legalization and those who oppose it.

Will said although marijuana may be comparable to alcohol as many argue, it’s not without its problems. For instance, he said, there are high levels of carcinogens that enter the body any time somebody smokes marijuana, just as there are when somebody inhales cigarette smoke.

Tim Williams, coordinator for Communities That Care, which is part of the Alcohol and Drug Addiction Services Board of Lorain County, said his organization opposes legalization for recreational purposes and believes there needs to be more medical studies before marijuana is classified as a medication.

He said all drugs should be treated the same and marijuana should have to undergo the same rigorous testing that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration uses when evaluating other potential medications.

“Our view is it’s a very dangerous, highly addictive drug and should be governed by the FDA,” he said.

Nick Kostandaras, a Summit County Council member and president of the County Commissioners Association of Ohio, said he experienced the pain of losing someone to drugs firsthand when his 36-year-old niece died last October.

“I had a niece in Lorain County that expired from drugs. First marijuana, then heroin,” he said.

Kostandaras, a former police officer, said he has appointed a committee to examine the issue, even though he opposes legalization.

“My personal opinion, I’m diametrically opposed to the marijuana issue,” he said.

John Pardee said the dangers of marijuana have been exaggerated for years and that demonization can actually be dangerous. He said telling kids marijuana is just as bad as heroin can lead them to try harder drugs if they figure out they’ve been deceived about marijuana.

“It’s less addictive than coffee,” Pardee said. “It’s one of those things that has no business being prohibited.”

Cavanaugh said he believes marijuana is a gateway to harder drugs because most of those he’s encountered in other drug investigations have used marijuana as well.

“But that doesn’t mean that everybody’s going to go on to harder drugs,” he said.

Medical uses

The list of ailments that marijuana can purportedly treat is far larger than the pain that stills wracks Jason Pardee’s body.

The ballot issue lists a string of medical conditions it states marijuana would be legal to treat if passed, including glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer’s disease, Crohn’s disease, hepatitis C, sickle cell anemia, cancer and Tourette syndrome. It can be used to control pain, nausea and seizures, John Pardee said.

John Pardee said one of the diseases that marijuana can help treat is Parkinson’s, which claimed the life of his father.

He said his father died a “horrible death” from the disease even as he refused to take a medical marijuana pill that would have eased his symptoms because of the “lies he had been told.”

“He refused to take a pill that would have helped him,” John Pardee said.

Commissioner Tom Williams said he would support a pill that gives the painkilling effect of marijuana without the side effects or high that comes from smoking or eating pot.

“It doesn’t give you the high, it relieves the pain,” he said.

Will said he has concerns about whether there’s enough information out there to justify legalizing marijuana for medicinal purposes.

“The problem is you don’t have enough documentation to put together a really good study,” he said.

Don Attie, a prominent veteran in Lorain County, said he would like to see marijuana legalized because he thinks it can help veterans suffering from a range of issues, including depression and Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

“Is it a silver bullet? No, but there is a lot of good potential,” he said.

Economic interests

Attie said legalizing marijuana would do more than just help the sick.

“The bottom line is all about helping people, but also stimulating the economy,” he said.

According to the Colorado Department of Revenue, that state brought in nearly $8.7 million in taxes on marijuana in January, the first month of full legalization there.

County Commissioner Ted Kalo, right, and John Pardee of the Ohio Rights Group discuss efforts to get a medical marijuana issue on the November ballot. They talk Wednesday at the Lorain County Administration Building. STEVE MANHEIM/CHRONICLE

County Commissioner Ted Kalo, right, and John Pardee of the Ohio Rights Group discuss efforts to get a medical marijuana issue on the November ballot. They talk Wednesday at the Lorain County Administration Building. STEVE MANHEIM/CHRONICLE

Kalo said it’s the economics of the issue that makes him support legalization. He said Colorado is seeing a massive windfall of marijuana tax money, much of which will go to build new schools there.

That kind of money, he said could do wonders for cash-strapped local governments. Lorain County has slashed millions from its budget in recent years, in part due to cutbacks in local government money flowing from Columbus. The commissioners have failed repeatedly to convince Lorain County voters to pass a sales tax increase.

“Then we have the dollars to expand government services,” Kalo said of legalization.

Kalo and other local leaders had hoped that revenue from casinos would offset some of their recent losses, but the money that has come in so far has been less than what was predicted. Part of the problem, he said, is that Ohio waited so long to bring casinos in that by the time it happened, all the surrounding states already had casinos, reducing the tourism draw.

With Michigan already a medical marijuana state, Kalo fears the same thing happening.

“If Ohio doesn’t move forward in 2014, it’s going to be a lot like the casino issue,” he said.

Kalo also said that legalization would free up law enforcement resources to focus on more serious crimes. More than 70 percent of the county’s general fund budget goes into the criminal justice system.

Proponents also contend the state would see an economic boost from industrial hemp, which remains largely illegal to produce in the United States because the plant is a close cousin of the cannabis plant that produces marijuana.

Industrial hemp can be used to create products including paper, cloth and rope. It can also be used in plastics, building materials and other industries.

John Pardee said Ohio is poised to become an “industrial juggernaut” if industrial hemp becomes legal because of its status as an agricultural state with expertise in research and transportation.

“The best way to take the rust off the Rust Belt is to bring industrial hemp to the Midwest,” he said.

Even Williams, the commissioner who opposes marijuana legalization, said he’s intrigued by the possibility of industrial hemp, although he admits he hasn’t done much research on the issue.

“Based upon the wide variety of uses for it, it’s something that should be considered, but it would have to be well regulated,” Williams said.

Critics of legalization said they aren’t sold on the idea even if it means an influx of cash.

“I understand where Ted’s coming from with it, but at what expense?” Kostandaras said.

Cavanaugh said he too doubts the tradeoff would be worth it.

“We’re going to legalize something we know is going to cause us problems just for money?” he said.

While there hasn’t been much support for his effort this year from nationwide marijuana advocates, John Pardee said legalization is just a matter of time in Ohio.

Given Ohio’s status as a bellwether of national political opinion, Pardee said he thinks the state would be a key win for the movement.

“If we flip Ohio, that’s the beginning of prohibition’s end,” he said.

Contact Brad Dicken at 329-7147 or bdicken@chroniclet.com.


  • oldruss

    On the narrow issue of driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, in Colorado, which legalized the sale, possession and use of both medical marijuana and recreational marijuana beginning January 1, 2014, there are no legitimate statistics as to how much, if at all, driving under the influence due to marijuana use has increased. The Denver Post in a section called “The Cannabist”, which discusses all things “pot”, noted that the judicial system does not track marijuana tickets separately from alcohol related tickets, they are the same offense, so there is no hard data on whether legalization of recreational marijuana has affected DUI offenses or not. The article concluded:

    “Overall, Colorado has not seen an increase in impaired-driving prosecutions.

    “Since July, there have been 12,567 cases filed across Colorado where driving impaired — either by alcohol or drugs, including marijuana — was the most serious charge, according to the Colorado Judicial Branch. That puts the state on track for a little over 21,500 such cases this fiscal year, which is in line with the two previous fiscal years.” John Ingold, “Stoned Driving Cases in Colorado Tough to Track”, THE DENVER POST, February 10, 2014, http://www.thecannabist.co/2014/02/10/stoned-driving-cases-proving-difficult-track/4265/

  • Immortal Illumined

    the greatest plant in the universe is almost free, LET FREEDOM RING! 13

    “any doctor against marijuana is a doctor of death” – cali secret 420

    from 0 states to half the country, from low 20% approval to almost 70%, cali runs this planet by 2 decades, time to tie marijuana to the 2014, 2016 elections, out with the old, in with the new

    20 years behind us southern states, sad and scary….nobody denies freedoms like the south, nobody…the top ten incarcerators on the planet are southern states…even if marijuana reforms did pass the republiCANTS in charge would deny you all your freedoms, centuries of practice…no matter though, we never planned on getting your backwards brethren from day one, half the country already but not one southern state, lol…not 1….the new generations are taking over in the south and they are nothing like their freedom denying parents, let’s ride…

    Deaths by Alcohol and Tobacco: Millions
    Deaths by Prescription Drugs: Quadrupled in last decade
    Deaths by Guns: Millions
    Deaths by the food we are fed: Millions
    Deaths by Marijuana: 0, ever…they are killing my American family while denying freedom

    love and freedom forever

    AMERICA’S WAR ON DRUGS IS A WAR ON AMERICANS! 33

  • Mike McCray

    Glaucoma should be removed from the list of debilitating
    conditions for marijuana. I screened over 45,000 in NE Ohio over 10 years for
    glaucoma many at homeless shelters with drug problems. The idea that a toke or
    two is control for glaucoma is just silly. If anything I found any habitual drug
    use interfered with compliance to proven therapy.

    The Michigan Society of Eye Physicians and Surgeons recently sought to remove glaucoma from the list of debilitating medical conditions for medical marijuana use. A Michigan medical marijuana advocate expressed “fear that lawmakers who oppose legal uses for the drug will chip away at its use by eliminating one condition at a time.”

    Tim Beck, former political director of the pro-medical marijuana group Michigan Association of Compassion Centers, stated “Used in combination [with prescribed medicine] it’s proven very, very effective,” he told City Pulse, a Lansing-based publication. “Anyone silly enough not to use their eye drops, well, maybe there’s something else wrong with them besides glaucoma.”

    Excerpts from online post: I’d just like to know what an efficient dose is for glaucoma… before work, two tokes give me a good buzz, at lunch a full chillum maybe 4-5 tokes… assume this should be sufficient to keep glaucoma in check.. Is one toke enough to do anything?

    • Petah

      This shows you dont know what you are talking about. The high that you feel is from your CB1 receptors. The anti inflammatory properties are released when the CB2 receptor is enacted.

      Please keep your ignorant posts to yourself or at least try to stay in the realm of reality because its kinda embarrassing hearing you drone about things you know nothing about,

      • Mike McCray

        Most my droning are from supporters of marijuana glaucoma. I believe different views marijuana need to aired.

        Compliance to medical therapy is major problem with any substance abuse. A lot more honest in the 60′s stoned and you missed it. Now a little knowledge not much wisdom.

        A lot has changed in the field of ophthalmology since Robert Randall won his case in the 70′s. You want your treatment based on 70′s understanding of medicine.

        You would do well in the Russia since you have all the answers and are so much more intelligent that call others ignorant.

        How many people do you know with glaucoma?

  • Americaschild

    Oh please–the state has a drug problem that leads to too much. Marijunana is a gateway drug. Medicinal my foot.

    • Mark B

      If anything is a Gateway Drug it is Alcohol . Ask anyone who ever did any drugs and the first drug they EVER used is Alcohol.

      Alcohol is such a powerful solvent it is strong enough to run your car from it , and people think it is safer to pour that into your body.

    • jz

      What planet are you on?

    • PhilDeBowl

      Been using since 1965,,don’t even use prescription drugs,,when is this gateway effect supposed to happen ???

    • topofthemorningeverybody

      but i never used anything else so what was i getting away from??????

      • Fizban

        I am also curious when that “gateway” effect is gonna set in. If marijuana hasn’t even led me to drink alcohol after 16 years, then why is it considered a “gateway”? I use pot because it’s relaxing, fun, does not interfere with my life, and does not have any sort of social stigma with anyone I’ve ever met except for police and close minded conservatives.

        • topofthemorningeverybody

          read on to the rest of my comments especially the ‘big’ one. i agree with you. marijuana never led me to consume,the little alcohol i do, drink .i,only,drink maybe,twice a month&i do it at home cause i like that ‘relaxing’ feeling to,i don’t drink to get drunk.hang overs sucks ass.marijuana does not make you sick&lose your perception.

        • Sue Lawson

          Same here Fizban. I am 59 and have no desire to try anything else.

    • Jack B Nimble

      You apparently know nothing about marijuana. Your statement is just embarrassing. The federal govt disproved the gateway theory back in 1999 with the release of the Institute of Medicine’s report “Medical marijuana: Assessing the science base”.

      Try educating yourself next time before making such silly statements.

    • informl

      Think of the children!

    • Erer44

      All meth addicts started with milk, milk is the real gateway drug!

  • Frank Siegfried

    Colorado took in $2.7 million dollars in tax revenue from the sale of recreational marijuna in the firt two months of 2014 alone. Wonder what that kind of money can do for Ohio?

    • Mark B

      Yea just imaging how much of that Money those agencies who oppose Cannabis could squander .

      • gapeterson

        yeah, imagine how quickly the federal government could blaze through this type of windfall, but our federal government would rather keep throwing out B.S.excuses and B.S. propaganda as to why the law can”t be changed, rather than get off their phat overly privileged and entitled behinds and make the necessary changes….as long as they can still get a couple of triple shots of scotch straight up with lunch or by themselves….it’s all good…RIGHT???

    • Sue Lawson

      I would hope if they ever legalize it, they will use the tax money to fund the schools.

      • Pablo Jones

        Fund the schools? Do you really think less than $20 million for the whole state would make a difference? Whatever tax gain there is there will be a decrease in tax somewhere else. With illegal sales that money gets spend and there are sales, income, etc. tax associated with it. The legal method they take the money right out of the system off the top. Sure they may collect more this way, but you still have to figure in the other loss so the gain isn’t as large as it seems.

        • A Freedom Fighter

          41,000,000,000 (billion) Is lost annually due to cannabis prohibition. The entire country will benifit when that money is no longer wasted.

          • Pablo Jones

            source?

          • Reagan

            http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/ This is just one of many.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            Perhaps a source that isn’t pro pot? Oh, and before you call an evil prohibitionist, realize that many people who are on the fence would ask the same thing.

          • Reagan

            Did you even click the link and read the report? How is it pro pot? Post a link to a report/study you are comfortable with and I’ll read it. And by the way I don’t lower myself to name calling.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            This is from a website which rates citations based on reliability (based on what I’ve read on the google page he seems to be pro-pot or at most neutral). According to him, prohibition cost.org is clearly biased.

            From “potwebography” https://sites.google.com/site/potwebography/annotated-bibliography

            Miron, J. (n.d.). Costs of marijuana prohibition: Economic analysis. Retrieved from http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/

            2/5 Stars.

            In Text citation: (Miron)

            From the start of this article it is very clear that the author is biased towards the positive aspects of the economic effects of legalizing marijuana. Not once does he talk about why marijuana is illegal but only that it would be a great thing. What the reader doesn’t know is if he isn’t telling us the whole story. Not only that, but there is not a date listed on the webpage that tells the reader when his information was published which means that his facts and numbers could be wrong. Other than that, the author’s organization is clear and he backs up his claims with cited sources.

          • Pablo Jones

            Did you read the study or just do a quick google search?

            First the study didn’t conclude there is $41 billion in lost economic activity. From that study at most was about $13 billion. Less than a third of the stated amount.

            Second about ever other paragraph was half filled with assumptions. Now granted on topic like this you need to make assumptions. But this paper was written in 2005 and we can check the validity of some of those assumptions. Let’s list some of the assumptions. 1. Nearly 100% of the marijuana market would go to the legal regulated market and be taxable. They base this on alcohol. The problem is producing alcohol involves equipment and multiple steps. Growing marijuana would be the equivalent of someone growing tomatoes, you plant water and wait. 2. They assume the price would go down and people would buy from the legal sellers. But from what we have seen in Colorado prices are actually higher and there is still the black market. 3. They assumed that money associated with enforcement of prohibition would be recoverable. Sorry about they won’t get rid of judges, police, prisons, or lawyers. Those are fixed costs so no savings there. 4. They did not add in any of the costs associated with regulating the new market. You have new state workers that have to check and monitor all the operations, you have the people that need to keep up with all the paperwork. These aren’t minimum wage jobs. They are 50-75k per year jobs with wages and benefits. That quickly eats away at those tax revenue gains.

  • Mark B

    Where can those in Elyria sign the petition ? Publishing that information can get more signatures

    • Nicole Kovacs Comley

      Ohio Rights Group.ORG should have petitions to download, if not contact me via Facebook, i have some!!

  • John Boy

    I could support medical use, but I’m concerned about people driving “baked” just as I am concerned about driving “buzzed”. I know most of the proponents don’t think this is a big deal, bu think that it would have a significant impact on the safety of driving your car. According to Science Daily “Cannabis is second only to alcohol for causing impaired driving and motor vehicle accidents. In 2009, 12.8% of young adults reported driving under the influence of illicit drugs and in the 2007 National Roadside Survey, more drivers tested positive for drugs than for alcohol. These cannabis smokers had a 10-fold increase in car crash injury compared with infrequent or nonusers after adjustment for blood alcohol concentration.”

    • John Pardee

      As it turns out, driving in states with medical cannabis laws are safer than states where it is prohibited by about 10%. It leads to fewer drunk drivers and fewer drunks means fewer fatalities.

      • Pablo Jones

        Causation and correlation. Just because rates maybe lower doesn’t necessarily mean it is due to marijuana being legal.

        • John Pardee

          your posit is correct but I do have proof. these scientists did find the linkage. http://ftp.iza.org/dp6112.pdf

          • Pablo Jones

            I finally had a chance to review the study. As a person with a statistics background I did find some things that makes one question the validity of their conclusions.

            When referencing other studies on the correlation between alcohol and MJ the results were mixed, but they went with the assumption that there was a trade off between MJ and alcohol, that is they said if people smoke up they drink less. They justified this by doing a study of 3 states that legalized medical marijuana. The problem was they just looked at the those states with no control states to see if there were national trends. Beer sales are down across the country, but they assumed that in those states it was down because they legalized medical marijuana.

            When analyzing auto fatalities they did the same thing. They looked at the same states and found fatalities decreased. But auto fatalities have decreased across the country not just medical marijuana states.

            So there is no proof.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            I would also point out that they studied only states with medical marijuana and not recreational. That is another problem with the study.

        • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

          Ironically, the stoners would claim the opposite but we all know which is more likely to be true.

    • PhilDeBowl

      I’ll take a ride with someone High way before I would a drunk.

      • SniperFire

        Then outlaw booze, dude. It is a specious argument.

        • Anthony

          That worked well before…..

        • PhilDeBowl

          And you call My comment specious….lol

          • SniperFire

            ‘Lame’ might have been a better characterization. LOL

      • John Boy

        I would imagine most of America would be like me and choose taking a ride with neither of them. I also prefer to drive on roads where neither of them are prevalent which is why I could support the medical use, but can’t see myself supporting recreational use. Just my opinion.

    • topofthemorningeverybody

      no it actually keeps you focus better,at least,for me.i have had my license for over 20 years,no traffic tickets&the 3 accidents i was involved in..the old lady was at fault,the police officer was at fault(i have the report still since 2003) and the last one,2005, i wasn’t ‘baked’ but had a lack of commonsense and turned left,through stopped traffic. if you gave me 3 beers,forget it,i’ll lose control.

      • Pablo Jones

        Well it depends on how you focus. If some one is highly focused (tunnel vision) that doesn’t make them a better driver.

        • topofthemorningeverybody

          i don’t know i’m just always told i drive like a granny. i’m more cautious cause even if it’s another driver’s fault,i would still get blame. not right but how it works. i don’t want to get an accident like the next person.

  • jz

    Cavanaughs got a job to do but please, get your head out of the sand.

  • fortheluvof

    I hate to say it but marijuana is so harmless and I think a lot of people believe whatever they have been told by whoever’s opinion they were comfortable with whether or not it is correct. Million of dollars and lives ruined by those who fear the evil weed even in 2014. Why is change so frightening to people ?

  • Paula Loos

    I would love to learn how I could get involved with helping Legalize Marijuana in OHIO. It’s about time OHIO got on board, especially with the knowledge of knowing about CBD and how one can use cannabis and NOT get high, but rather obtain the benefits of it.

  • jz

    What a coincidence. All those against in this article are either in law enforcement or the drug counseling racket. Counseling is fine, but, there has been too cozy a relationship between the courts and the counseling entities to the point where it is more of a racket than useful. And Lundy. Just another cowardly politician. Nothing more, nothing less. Dennis Will. Need more studies? What do you expect? A cop and politician. Not all of us are dumber than a box of rocks to believe that one. The retired narc spokesman for LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. The naysayers in this article know full well he and the organization LEAP are a threat to their status quo and refuse to let go and let the rest of the population dictate our drug war policies, but they will not be caught dead agreeing. The drug war creates more problems than it solves, and actually creates most of the worse problems it purports to be solving. Ken Lieux speaks of only one problem which is that is extremely unfair to hinder a kid in college cus of marijuana use. I know doctors, judges, lawyers, great teachers, and all kinds of succesful adults and parents who smoked weed in college. Raised great kids. But you will never see the naysayers in this article readily admit they know this is true because they thrive on the fears and exaggerations of the drug war and are too stubborn and their own self interests in many cases overrides any belief that a medical model void of law enforcement would benefit all affected parties. Harm reduction. When some of these people cannot even bend and acknowledge what most of us already know, they are not helping the citizenry any more than when alcohol prohibition increased crime, violence, etc and was a disastrous policy.

  • jz

    Sorry for the commissioners loss. but the argument is weak and baseless. If anything the ability and exposure to heroin came from the same place where the weed was first started. The Black Market created by prohibition. If that is the case then he should be campaigning for alcohol to be illegal. How many died last year from alcohol crashes or alcoholic health issues? Fact. 90 percent of junkies started with alcohol, then marijuana. 90 percent of marijuana smokers never became junkies. Common sense really. Sorry, his opinion is based on emotion, understandable, but it is not evidence based. Just like the law enforcement community for the most part do not want to hear harm reduction evidence based ideas, but stick with the emotional, fear based arguments cus that is what they do for a living. And that is totally understandable and expected. No doubt hard drugs ruin too many lives.And being an alcoholic is no way to live. However, the law enforcement model helps nobody, increases crime, thefts and violent crimes, over crowds our jails and courts. The list goes on. Ex law enforcement like Pardee are the people that should be getting much more room in the argument now. The drug warriors have had their day. From the LEAP site. Drug Abuse is bad. the Drug War is Worse. Al Capone/Pablo Escobar/Same Problem/Same Solution.

  • Mark B

    Please keep this in mind when Voting for any agency that Voices against the cause , its the only way to get their attention. Vote down any levy that will give them more funds to keep Cannabis illegal.

  • readyfred

    Just a shame that ORG has messed Ohio up so bad that it will never be medical legal on a state level. This will never make it to the ballot in Ohio with ORG running the wrecking ball. They don’t have and wont have the signatures needed!!!

  • John Q. Taxpayer

    How many of these people are truly in need of weed for medical reasons and how many are potheads? How many stoners are useful to society ?
    Sitting around stoned and playing video games is a waste of life. If you need to smoke pot or consume alcohol to take the edge off because you had a rough day at work it doesn’t solve your problems because they will still be there when you come back down. People always want to take the easy way out, take a pill to lose weight instead of exercising; a pill to give them energy instead of eating right and getting rest. That is why America is getting weak because everybody wants to take the easy route.

    • readyfred

      I have M-S….Tell what pill to take for that?

      • John Q. Taxpayer

        So does my brother,2 cousins, & my cousins husband
        and I don’t hear them crying all the time. Two of them are in wheelchairs and have the same problems as the rest of you do. But they try to stay strong and deal with it the best they can.

        • PhilDeBowl

          They might enjoy a Medible??

        • readyfred

          You sir are a liar! If you had one family member with M-S, you would never make a statement like that.

          • John Q. Taxpayer

            Why, because they don’t sit around smoking pot feel sorry for themselves

          • woodyhaze

            They will, soon enough, but hey, they aren’t breaking any laws. Just keeping big pharma in business.

    • PhilDeBowl

      I have to say that’s a pretty narrow minded point of view.If you want to know how many people are “really” medical needs patients why don’t you go to a dispensary some day and do the research,,,Nah it’s easier just to believe what you want to believe.
      I don’t even have video games…
      America is getting “weak”i.e ,less relevant because it deserves to be.

      • John Q. Taxpayer

        It deserves to be! Good answer. You don’t really believe that everybody that goes to a Doctor for pain is really in pain do you?
        Maybe we should add pot to the list of entitlements that you probably think are well deserved

        • PhilDeBowl

          Our nation was founded on the principles of life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness,and our government was established to ensure these god given rights. Today we have a government that wastes our treasure,sends our young people to foreign lands to kill for god knows what reason,and threatens U.S with jail time if we use a natural herb.
          Yes,I believe a free adult citizen should be able to /entitled to,grow cannabis if they want to.

          • John Q. Taxpayer

            I always love it when people link God and the Constitution together. I can just imagine when they finished the Constitution and sat around smoking a bowl with Christ that they were “too Stoned ” to change happiness to cannabis

          • Mark B

            Actually George Washington smoked cannabis

          • Pablo Jones

            If you are referring to the first president of the USA please site your source. I have not seen anything that confirms that. They grew hemp for rope and cloth, but nothing says they smoked it.

          • PhilDeBowl

            In case you didn’t know most of our founding fathers,who wrote the Constitution were “religeous” folk… Also,I have heard that some of our founding fathers grew cannabis. What was your point again ???.

          • John Q. Taxpayer

            I guess that makes it all right. They also had slaves and raped the female slaves these good “religious ” folk. I can’t believe you want to bring religion into this. Are you telling me you go to church on a regular basis So now getting high is next to Godliness?

        • topofthemorningeverybody

          why do you think so many pain pills and anti depressants get on the street..phantom pain!!

          • John Q. Taxpayer

            I agree! But I don’t think making it easier to get solves any problem

      • Pablo Jones

        I was in Denver a few weeks back and did visit one of the “medical/recreational” dispensaries. Those that “need” it medically seemed more fit than many of the healthy people I know. Based on their different lift passes they have a pretty active ski/snowboarding hobby so I can’t imagine them in too much pain.

    • topofthemorningeverybody

      i work,thank you,very much. and i’m sure when you get a headache,you take Tylenol.

      • John Q. Taxpayer

        And when you started smoking pot at 13 or 14 yrs old the pain was so bad your parents said here take a hit of this it will make you feel better.

        • topofthemorningeverybody

          no my parents didn’t provoke me.they didn’t do drugs or drink.my dad was dead when i was 14&i did start,in my late teen years(not 13 or 14) and i stopped for quite some time&then choose to put it back in my life when i realized the good benefits it gave me with no side effects or withdrawals. you should,at least,know a person&their life before you make any type of assumptions.

    • Erer44

      The 10% declined suicide rates in medical states disagree with your train of nonsense up there.

      http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301612

      • John Q. Taxpayer

        to stoned to pull the trigger

        • Erer44

          It’s “Too stoned”. Why is it you anti-pot people always have terrible grammar? It doesn’t bode well for your common argument that abstaining from marijuana is the key to intellectual superiority.

          If you had read the study, instead of regurgitating the Nixon/Reagan-era garbage you were brainwashed on, you’d see that the reduction is attributed to less alcohol use and marijuana’s antidepressant characteristics.

  • john legend

    no we just hear you crying all of the time john q., you little girl

  • golfingirl

    One question I have.

    Cannabinoids, the active ingredient in marijuana, are available in an oral form through a prescription. These are FDA approved products and rigorous tested.

    So if a person really experiences relief from this class of drugs, why do they need to smoke it?

    I mean, if it is truly for a medical purpose, it is already available through medical channels in Ohio.

    Just asking.

    • topofthemorningeverybody

      it sure is but i have never heard a license doctor ever bother to try to prescribe it to someone in a medical need.i don’t understand it either.

      • golfingirl

        It is used, primarily for AIDS Wasting Syndrome, to increase appetite.

        The “munchies” effect.

        • topofthemorningeverybody

          oh ok..well,i learned something new then today.it’s why i never heard of them prescribing this pill then before,i don’t know anyone with AIDS&never bothered to dig deeper into the subject. the pill would work then,to help that part of, a effect of a disease like AIDS.

          • golfingirl

            My husband has launched several drugs into the U.S. market. I know this only because he brought growth hormone to treat this condition into the country many years ago.

          • topofthemorningeverybody

            awesome :) it is a very sad disease. these types of pills launched in from him helps people that are needing it,not get them addicted to where the patient becomes abusive enough to die.these pills you seem to be talking about,actually,helps the patient not just mask the problems.

          • Mark B

            What about all of the drugs advertised on TV , they claim to help one problem , but they cause 25 other side effects some including death. So does that make them safer than cannabis ?

          • golfingirl

            Never said that.

          • PhilDeBowl

            Ah, now I understand where you are coming from.

          • A Freedom Fighter

            big pharma Kills over 259,000 US citizens annually! cannabis kills 0, none, not a death in all history.

          • Pablo Jones

            And the source for this is where?

    • John Pardee

      Medical is more than smoking. it’s vaporized, or liquid drops, or edibles. Smoking actually destroys about 90% of the cannabinoids. Better to vaporize but we are not here to restrict usage but to permit a braod range of therapy options.

      • golfingirl

        My point is this. The prescription labeled products available, and there are several, are standardized in terms of dosage, strength and potency.

        Their manufacturing is tightly controlled, therefore they are not adulterated.

        So if what you want, is already available through tightly controlled channels which guarantees safety and potency, why not have the physician, who has to make the diagnosis anyway, prescribe a pharmaceutical product, versus a leaf in a jar?

        I do think the agenda here is the legalization of marijuana, regardless of any medical need. This is simply the entry point toward that goal.

        Just wish if that was the case, it would be presented as such.

        So you can currently get cannabinoids from a pharmacy, for a legitimate medical need. Why not work with the medical community to educate them on all the uses, instead of the general public?

        Truth is, most people want to use marijuana for recreation purposes. Medical use is already available.

        That’s OK if that is what you want, but please don’t hide behind the “medical use” argument. It may be so in your case, not judging, but probably not the motive behind most people who support it.

        • John Pardee

          The answer is that the true healing properties of that plant are not available in a jar. There is nothing that compares; Prescription pain killers are the #1 gateway to heroin, tylenol is the #1 cause of liver failure. Nothing is safer and more effective.

          • golfingirl

            Did not answer the question.

            Do you want the legalization of marijuana exclusively for medicinal purposes, or is this the first step toward legalizing for recreational use? Is this the “end game.”

            Just be honest about your agenda.

          • PhilDeBowl

            He did answer your question.
            Now you are asking a different question…

          • golfingirl

            Sorry, I must have missed it. What was his response?

            Does he want marijuana for medicinal purposes to treat his son, or does he want it legalized for recreational use as well.

            If he answered it, I have not seen the response. Too many comments posted.

          • PhilDeBowl

            Don’t expect others to be your secretary.

          • golfingirl

            Not true, it is the number one cause of ACUTE liver failure.

            Proactive steps have been taken to reduce this, such has limiting acetaminophen to 325mg, versus the current limit of 650mg.

            Also, removing it from many other products which many people never knew it was ever in, such as cough and cold medicines.

            You mentioned “healing properties.” Exactly what condition does it “heal.” Seems more like symptomatic relief, but not actual “healing.”

            Not being argumentative, just trying to understand.

          • PhilDeBowl

            Oh,they made it safer by reducing the pills from 650mg to 325mg….good thing people never double up on their meds.

          • golfingirl

            So what does marijuana “heal?”

          • jz

            For as long as I can remember I’ve seen acetaminophen on cough syrup labels/ingredients. Whoever has not known that either does not read the label and/or is on another planet.

        • PhilDeBowl

          If it works for me as medicine,I’ll take the “leaf in the jar” over the man made synthetics any day. If it was good enough for Jesus it’s good enough for me.
          I first used cannabis in 1965,used it recreationally for years with no ill effects,now I find that it eases my degenerative spine condition better than hydrocodone,so in my case I support the right of any adult to grow their own,license and regulate all sales.
          What is this “legal” cannabinoid product called ? As far as I know there is nothing on the market that contains the whole plant , Sativex is supposed to be coming sometime,but not here yet,,,and how much money should I be forced to hand over to big pharma for someting I can grow myself ??
          You want to educate the medical community ?? Then tell the government to remove cannabis from the CSA level 1 schedule. The government has restricted any meaningful research into the medicinal uses of cannabis for most of our lifetimes,why ?
          You take exception to some people using the medical MJ system to enjoy the plant, do you also take exception to your government lying about the plant and wasting your tax dollars putting otherwise peaceful citizens in cages for enjoying a god given plant ?

          • golfingirl

            The topic here was medical marijuana. If there is a legitimate case for using it, so be it.

            I have asked Mr. Pardee this question several times, but have not seen a response:

            “Just be honest about your intentions. Is your cause for the medicinal use of marijuana, or is the ultimate goal full legalization for recreational use?”

            I suspect it is the later.

          • PhilDeBowl

            Can’t have people around all Euphoric you know. Who will fight the wars??

    • Erer44

      Marinol is only THC, marijuana contains hundreds of other cannabinoids that work together when used as medicine. No synthetic medical marijuana yet has all or even a few of these cannabinoids together. This is why the real thing works far better than the poorly executed pill-form substitutes.

      http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/health/gupta-marijuana-entourage/

      • golfingirl

        So exactly which cannabinoids are responsible for the medicinal effects?

        Does it vary based on specific physical impairment it is targeted to treat?

        Marijuana contains a “slurry of contaminants” as well.

        • Erer44

          Yes, some strains are bred to target specific ailments. High CBD strains are excellent for combating seizures and chronic pain, and contain nearly none of the THC that gets people high.

          It may contain a “slurry of contaminants”, but does it matter since it works? OTC Ibuprofin’s side effects include convulsions and bloody vomit, nothing comparable has ever been reported even from heavy daily marijuana use.

        • PhilDeBowl

          Once again you are misinformed.
          Marijuana does Not naturaly contain a “slurry of contaminants”,grown organically cannabis is a healthful herb. Black market marijuana on the other hand Can be contaminated with overuse of pesticides or infected with mold,it is left up to the standards of the grower,and far too many black market growers are only interested in making a buck. This is one of the main reasons to legalize cannabis,control and regulation.
          If you want to understand more about cannabis I recommend the book “Marijuana,gateway to health” by Clint Werner.
          Also do you know that our bodies produce endocannabinoids and that we have a endocannabinol system ?

    • PhilDeBowl

      You are incorrect if you are referring to Danabinol/Marinol, neither one of these “legal” drugs contain any of the cannabinoids found in the whole plant, dranabinol/marinol are 100% THC.
      A peson does Not have to smoke it,there are multitude ways to ingest MerryWanna. In fact many people use a High CBD Low THC Strain of cannabis which delivers the medicine without having the “high”. Some people who suffer from Chrons or IBS juice the fresh buds and drink it, taken this way No high is experianced.
      If it is medicine for some and they can grow it in their backyard or a grow room why should they be forced to buy a less effective,expensive big pharma product..?
      God gave us this herb for our healing,what gives the government the right to prohibit it ?

      • golfingirl

        I never understood the argument that God put it on Earth, so it must be good.

        Many plants are poisonous. Heroin is a natural product, as is cocaine—and people don’t go around saying heroin is natural, so it must be good!

        A natural product doesn’t equal a safe product.

        Again, just trying to understand the argument.

        • PhilDeBowl

          Again ,you are mistaken. Heroin is not a natural substance,it is derived from processing morphine,which comes from the papavar somniferum poppy. You would be more correct to say Opium is a natural derivative from that poppy. Likewise cocaine is a derivitive of the coca plant.
          You are correct to say just because it is a natural plant doesn’t mean it is safe,there are a multitude of plants that can cause serious health problems,even death,and over the years we have learned which ones are dangerous and which are not. Clearly after thousands of years of use by humans cannabis has been shown to have little negative effect on human health,in fact science is proving that cannabis is an effective treatment for many illnesses.
          Keep in mind that just because a drug is FDA approved does Not equal safe.

      • golfingirl

        Again, and I asked this above to another poster, what exactly does marijuana “heal.”

        Not symptomatic relief, but actually “heal.”

        • Mark B

          some have had results with it curing skin cancer

          • Pablo Jones

            A few people saying the mj oil cures cancer does not make it true. From the cases I looked at the people were doing normal treatment and then put the oil on and said look it’s getting better. This is like breaking your arm going to the doctor having it reset, but saying the bone is still in two pieces so they didn’t fix it. Then going home and saying you smoked up for a month and that caused your bone to heal.

        • PhilDeBowl

          Ask the same question to 99.9% of all over the counter drugs or prescription drugs. Thank you.

          • Pablo Jones

            87.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Where are you getting 99.9% number from. Antibiotics cure bacterial infections, vaccines cure/prevent diseases, other medicine can cure other forms of infections. I doubt all those drugs fall into the 0.1%.

            The point she was getting at was that John Pardee said “the true healing properties of marijuana.” Are there healing properties or just symptom relief? Sudifed doesn’t cure a cold but relieves to cold symptoms. Does marijuana actually cure things or does it ease the symptoms.

        • A Freedom Fighter

          cancer, but hey, look it up yourself silly!

          • Pablo Jones

            I have. No proof of it curing anything.

  • golfingirl

    Hey, where is that Zen guy on this topic. He used to post constantly, on his use of medicinal cannabis. Even to the point of “bragging” about it.

    Haven’t heard from him in a while.

  • John Davidson

    I wonder if Obummercare will pay for the marijuana when the phony prescriptions start getting written. Just another freebee for all the Dems.

    • John Pardee

      no prescriptions for Ohio. We’ve taken the doctor out of the mix of offering this as an option. All one needs to do is qualify by an appropriate diagnoses and get a card from the Dept. of Health.

      • golfingirl

        How can you take the doctor out of the mix when it requires a diagnosis?

        Who makes the diagnosis?

        This requires the doctor to be right in the middle, does it not?

        • John Pardee

          no. My doctor told me I have arthritis. I don’t have to ask him for a scrip. I simply take my diagnosis to the Dept. of Health and I would get a card. He’s never put on the spot about cannabis. That is my choice.

          • done111

            That sounds like a good plan!! What all does your wording cover and how many plants can a person grow? What is the cost of a grow permit and what all will I be fined with? A law that has no laws. That will never work!

          • Linda Pardee

            It isn’t a law, it’s a constitutional amendment.

          • Pablo Jones

            Well isn’t that just setting up the system for abuse? Johnny has headaches from studying for exams in college so he needs medical marijuana. Sally has back spasms she needs medical mj.

            This just makes medical use so broad that there is no recreational use since everything would qualify under medical.

          • jz

            System for abuse? You have not figured out it is really about total legalization? I don,t care if it is my neighbors perceived or real medical benefits. I want it for occasional recreation, maybe 1-2 times per month with a few beers. It is not my fault if some others want to be alcoholics or hard core drug addicts.

          • Pablo Jones

            Why not legalize rape? Why should you have to go without just because some chick doesn’t want to put out.

          • Paul McClancy

            Prohibitionist: “…If the war against drugs is lost, then so are the wars against theft, speeding, incest, fraud, rape, murder, arson, and illegal parking. Few, if any, such wars are winnable. So let us all do anything we choose…”

            Reformer: This is, certainly, nonsense of the most outrageous kind, and it takes a special kind of dementia to see any logic therein.

            Of course, the glib sarcastic response is “If you don’t know the difference between marijuana and rape, you won’t get invited to any of the good parties.”

            In comments, Old Soldier took a stab at setting people straight:

            Rape has a victim. Smoking hemp doesn’t.

            In the true sense of the meaning, absolutely right. But unfortunately, this argument gets us nowhere, because there’s always some git like David W who moronically replies:

            Prohibitionist: Tell that to the children? In Dallas Police were called to an apartment. It was full of pot smoke, and there were little children in there. One woman who was smoking was holding her toddler in her arms. What kind of life does that child have to look forward to, even if they some how remain healthy?? How about the organization I belonged to that had it bank account wiped out because our treasurer was a “recovering” addict and stole the money to finance her habit? Or my uncle who abandoned his family (granted, he started on pot when young but had graduated to heroin when he abandoned his wife and two children). No victims my foot.

            Reformer: Completely sidetracked. Mention victimless “crimes” and you’ll always get someone who thinks that secondary victimization is the same thing. And we’ve completely moved away from the topic of legalization.

          • jz

            I,m sorry for your families problems over the drugs. I beg to differ on your rational though. You can’t take the worse case scenarios and apply those examples to the majority of people, the rest of us out here. How many of us grew up around alcohol abuse and still turned out alright. What other factors in those kids lives may also hurt them further or other factors that may help them that we don,t know about? It’s like saying guns are the problem when it is the irresponsible and or criminal use of guns committed by human beings is the problem. Not everybody who owns a gun victimizes others with it. Not everybody who drinks alcohol or smokes weed victimizes others because of it. 90 percent of heroin addicts probably started with alcohol then weed, 90 percent of people who smoked weed never became hard drug addicts.

          • Paul McClancy

            Dude, I’m not disagreeing with you. My post was attacking Pablo’s tortured analogy.

          • Pablo Jones

            So now we have different levels of victimization. The girl killed by a drunk driver wasn’t killed by a drunk driver, she was kill because of the car crash. A kid swallows drugs his parents left laying around and dies. He didn’t die because of the drugs he died because of neglectful parents. Parent drowns the kid in the tub, but the kid wasn’t killed by his parent, the kid died because the water was too high.

            A victim is a victim. If an action causes a string of events everyone affected is a victim of that event.

            But to you everything is a victimless crime. Doing heroin is a victimless crime. What the people do on it or to pay for it isn’t related. Robbing a bank is victimless since, no one really loses their money. Pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger is victimless, the crime is putting the bullet in them.

          • Paul McClancy

            Anyone who is unable to differentiate between infanticide/bank robbery/impaired driving/intentional homicide/Dragnet and choosing to enjoy cannabis is in desperate need of a check up from the neck up.

            Drug use isn’t a victimless crime? I’d say that drug prohibition isn’t a victimless policy. The logic of prohibition says that because an individual MIGHT use drugs in an irresponsible manner, thereby harming others, we should arrest him, lock him in a cage (thereby separating him from his family), give him a criminal record, permanently impair his future employment prospects, and make him ineligible for various government benefits. Guess what? You’ve just created several DEFINITE victims. And those are just some of the ways in which the drug war victimizes individuals — it doesn’t include, for example, the gang violence that’s inevitably fueled by prohibition, the opportunity cost of trillions spent (both directly and in the form of foregone tax revenue) on a futile war, the massive official corruption that’s promoted by prohibition, the decline in respect for the law, the poisoning of police / community relations, and the undermining of our fundamental constitutional rights.

          • Pablo Jones

            If drugs are illegal the only ones being victimized by drug prohibition are the criminals. If I speed on an open road and get a ticket, did the speed limit victimize me or did I do it to myself? If a guy shoots himself in the head is he a victim of S&W or himself?

            So now the Billions in tax dollars and savings are Trillions.

            Which particular constitutional is being undermined by keeping illegal drugs illegal?

          • Paul McClancy

            I think that people should be responsible for their actions. If they drive recklessly and cause an accident, then it’s their fault. Period. Don’t blame it on the alcohol. They’re responsible. Blaming drugs doesn’t do anything but attempt to give guilty people an excuse for their irresponsible actions, and at the same time, punish responsible people who aren’t causing harm.

          • jz

            Why not legalize rape? Your other comments surely show a higher IQ than to imply that I or anyone who has no problem with marijuana legalization would have no problem legalizing rape. Cmon Pablo you’re better than that.

          • Pablo Jones

            You are not seeing the link. One of the main arguments the pro-legalization crowd uses is comparing marijuana to alcohol, 2 vices, to justify the other. That is what I did. If you don’t like rape you can do armed robbery to unarmed robbery. And justify that since there is a smaller chance of people getting harmed in unarmed robbery it should be legal.

            In the case above I used rape, since you said it is basically all about what you want, that you are responsible. Ok maybe I need to change what I said. Legalize rape if you are responsible and use a condom.

          • jz

            Makes no sense and is impractical to the debate. Forget about semantics. Certainly I would not legalize rape etc. Cmon now you are smarter than that.

          • Paul McClancy

            The only link between the two is their illegality. One by definition always results in an abused victim. The other MIGHT lead some bloke to harm others. That one has the propensity to do harm does not justify a full scale ban. Also, he doesn’t seem to give a rip if the “vice” in question is consensual or not. All he cares about is that both are illegal and both harm. No wonder his side is losing the culture war.

        • PhilDeBowl

          The Doctor does not have to write a reccomendation,or script. Many doctors are afraid to talk about cannabis because the Fed’s could revoke their license to prescribe FDA approved narcotics.

  • done111

    Another good move using a long haired hippie for your poster child.

    • John Pardee

      I’m the poster child for ORG. Been a self-made businessman for 23 years and put all three of my kids through college, including the “hippy” you speak of. We represent veterans and parents of sick kids.

      • done111

        Your a poster child for dumba$$ of the year. Your kid isn’t sick…just a pothead hippie!

        • John Pardee

          sad when people hide behind their keyboards and hurl insults cuz their lives have no meaning. My son nearly died. He was in the ICU for two weeks in an induced coma. My wife and I had to sit a 24 hour vigil that whole time. He has 8 10 inch long pins in his pelvis holding him together. He would have bled out has he not been mashed between the door and the center console. He was also born with scoliosis. So go ahead a say stupid things. It only shows everybody here how truly callous and narrow minded you really are.

          • done111

            Your the one that said you would collect 1,000,000 signatures and had a plan to do that. You know as well as everyone else you wont get 100,000 and it wont make it to the ballot. You have killed all hope in Ohio and hope you have the moving trucks packed the first of July. Don’t forget to take Leanne and Mary Jane with you as we don’t need them in Ohio also. Please do the right thing and just leave.

          • woodyhaze

            Don’t matter dumbass, its everywhere, legal or not, now you leave, numbnutz.

          • done111

            My grammar might suck but come July you will hear the words…We wasn’t planning on putting it on the ballot till 2016 anyway!!!

          • It has to stop

            You sir are the true definition of an internet troll.

          • done111

            I’m a supporter of MMJ in Ohio. Org has messed that up for years to come. It won’t be on the ballot in 2014. I have the right to say whatever I want about the job they have done. I collect signatures and turned them in. I did my part…ORG did not and will not do theirs!. They have failed and need to go away!

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            Sad, I thought you were against pot but your just another pawn of the dope lobby.

          • Erer44

            “No-good, doping whippersnappers, get off my lawn!”

          • woodyhaze

            Got breaking news for you Einstein, its already here, lmao

          • turd

            You are not your.

            Stay in school done111 it seems the potheads are smarter than you.

            They can at least use 5th grade grammar haha

          • John Pardee

            So who are you done111? You obviously know some of the ORG folks but you hide behind a screen name and hurl insults. An honorable person would be upfront if they were leveling such accusations. Without identifying yourself, your words carry no validity. Obviously you are one of the disgruntled people who get more out of defaming others than actually contributing anything of value.

          • done111

            An honorable person would not lead people on. Facts are facts and you will not get it done.

            http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2014/03/05/will-ohio-legalize-marijuana-this-year/6104687/

            Even with all the support, Ohio doesn’t appear likely to change its marijuana laws in 2014. Medical marijuana advocates have gathered only 50,000 of the more than 385,000 signatures they’d need by July 2 to put an issue on the ballot this year.

          • PhilDeBowl

            So ,What are You doibg to “get it done “.????

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            John Pardee: Ahh! The facts, they burn!

        • Erer44

          Using the incorrect form of “you’re” in a sentence calling someone a dumba$$. Good going, Einstein. Go chug another beer.

          • PhilDeBowl

            Exactamundo

      • PhilDeBowl

        Illegitimi non carborundum. Stay strong,good luck.

    • Mark B

      Couldn’t agree more , that only serves to hurt the cause.

  • topofthemorningeverybody

    it does take pain away,helps anxiety&keeps,personally,my blood pressure down..i have proven that,to my doctors,already&i have been on the edge,with a few break through s with being diagnose of high blood pressure&this has been since in my 30s. a few doctors has admit it to me,marijuana is saving my life&is how i see it too. it’s not equal to taking pain away like a pain pill.it doesn’t latch onto you to cause you to abuse&become addicted. a pain pill,in which,is the #1 overdosing drug now that is killing millions&that is being prescribed by doctors who has licenses so it’s ok for them to be ‘legal drug dealers’? oh and let’s not forget places like the Nord center that orders 1 patient, 10 different types of anti-depressant pills,just to take care of the side effects, of the other pills, the patient is taking&besides,half their patients,are there for the ‘cheap’ high&to make money off of the pills,they prescribed.i do know,personally,quite a few of these pathetic people. these pills,also,gets on the streets illegally. marijuana has no severe side effects,it has no withdrawals.i am not a bad person.i do have some of the same life decisions,as the next human,i do not lie,cheat,steal&i have 1 of the biggest hearts around.i DO NOT have a criminal record&i’m in my 40s. i have never had to sell any sexual favors for my drug,i never stole off of anyone&i never cheated or lie for the drug either or committed any type of fraud with the government or anybody.i am a very likable character.a fantastic mother who raised 2 children that the police will not have so much worries about(yea i’m sure they just MAY make a few bad decisions)&they don’t do drugs,drink,smoke cigarettes&have the up most respect for all humans.i was a honor roll student who dropped out of school not because of drugs but because of love!! yes,i do work. my children,1 is graduated&1 on their way.why? cause i was there to support both of them!! it is not a getaway drug especially for 1 who never had another drug to get away from in life.if legalizing it causes the criminal rate to go up it’s not because of the drug..it’s because it’s in the human’s character. you control this drug,this drug does not control you. if this became legal,it could pull a lot of money in and help with well let’s just say that the city of Elyria could have their fireworks back again&all the organizations donating money,could let’s say,donate the money to a charity that could truly use the research money for cancer,autism&whatever else.

  • Spec440

    Seems to me that you could find a more credible looking poster child than someone that looks like a hippie from the 70s that just rolled out of a hot boxed VW van.

    • John Pardee

      I guess you read a lot of books by looking at the covers.

      • done111

        The people of Ohio will!!! Why would you put that picture out for the public to judge? You can tell he is stoned off his butt in the middle of his pot patch!!! Another stupid move on your end. Ohio really doesn’t stand a chance with you running the show. Please leave our state and go live with your pothead son!!!

        • PhilDeBowl

          People who resort to ignorant pejoratives,such as “pothead,stoner,etc” say more about themselves than those they attempt to denigrate.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            Funny enough, he’s on your side.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            Ironic considering he’s a pot user himself. He REALLY goes out of his way to not be associated with recreational users.

    • Linda Pardee

      People need to move past the outward appearance of an individual and rather look to who they are inside.

      • It has to stop

        Try not to let ignorant comments and judgements bother you. There is no way to get away from that in today’s society.
        I’m in my 50′s and all of these people commenting negatively would take one look at me and never know that I enjoy smoking pot as your son does but yet we are the same. Only difference is the hair.
        Keep up the good fight……

        • Linda Pardee

          Thank you for your kind words.

      • done111

        He needs to get a hair cut and a job!!!

      • Spec440

        I know all I need to know about him from this article. He can surf and skateboard but can’t work because of his “pain”. Right. He is part of the problem, not the solution. He’s a pothead. Admit it. You have enabled him your whole life and this is what you get. It is people like your son that are helping to destroy this country.

    • PhilDeBowl

      Sounds like you are describing our fearless president.

  • gapeterson

    I smoked A LOT of pot for recreations sake, from October 10,1971 through September 28, 2006 I smoked as much as I could get my hands on…never once got arrested for being a jack-ass or traffic infractions, or anything stupid like that as long as I was simply smoking pot I was perfectly content to stay home and either hike on my property or listen to music, or watch cartoons but as soon as alcohol came into the picture I felt the NEED to go out socializing my record speaks volumes I have destroyed numerous motor vehicles with the help of alcohol, I have had countless altercations with law enforcement and traffic cops mostly because of alcohol….I smoked 3 packs of KOOL cigarettes per day and I drank at least a 12 pack of Heineken after work each day and on weekends I kicked into serious party mode…..on September 28, 2006 I suffered a burst aneurysm in my brain that caused a stroke and that trauma revealed some serious cardiac abnormalities….after 5 weeks of medically induced coma and 2 weeks of intensive physical inpatient rehab..when I woke up from my coma I could not even swallow my own saliva, I had to be taught to speak, to write, to walk and to swallow, my vision was like that we assume a fly sees. my speech was horribly slurred and I was suffering random body tremors to my extremities (mostly my left arm and leg I walk with a very pronounced scuffle but I was sent home and one of the very first people I called was my pot buddy, he hooked me up with some great budz and almost instantly and miraculously my vision came back into focus, I could walk normally and my speech could be easily understood by all, nearly 8 years later if you did not know this aneurysm and stroke had happened BUT I smoke nearly an 8th ounce of pot everyday but my headaches are not nearly as prevalent as they were(vicodins were a joke and could not do a thing about the pain) maybe I just don’t notice them as much, but I can walk and talk and function as an almost normal human being, BUT I live in a nazi state here in the U.S. and I can not afford to move and everyday I wonder if law enforcement is coming to search my home, kind of like a private hell thing…but because the treatment agrees with me I do it, and take my chances, I could have understood if I would have gotten busted back in my recreational use days…BUT this has a medical function now…..I should not have to worry about legal or not and I should be able to speak honestly and openly about these concerns with my physician but the way the law is written my physician just cringes and clams up when ever I bring the issue up…..oh yeah, since September 28th 2006 I have not had 1 tobacco cigarette, and I have not drank even 1 drop of alcohol….so I guess it can be said that ruptured cerebral aneurysms cure alcoholism and the assist with tobacco cessation, I am also no longer a work-a-holic, but nobody wants to hire the guy who had his brain blow up on his last job, and now could not pass a piss test to save his life…

  • Boonedawg

    Jason Pardee the poster child for legalization….nice! The first picture of him with the weed plants would make a great caption contest: “Oh Wow”

    • done111

      He is saying ” if I close my eyes, no one can see me”! Or “Hi, I’m Jason and I’m a pothead”!

      • woodyhaze

        Go take some xanax, idiot.

      • jontomas

        He looks just like Jesus to me.

    • done111

      Wow man…anyone else see that dragon?!

    • Linda Pardee

      Did you read the article or just look at the pretty pictures? It’s a shame that all you came away with was Jason’s appearance.

      • PhilDeBowl

        Some people are incapeable of seeing beyond their prejudices.

      • turd

        He just looks at the pretty pictures. You can tell by her grammar that she didn’t make it too far in school.

        its kinda sad and embarrassing.

      • done111

        You guys are the ones that are failing!!! The whole state is a mess because of your work and all you have done is show the state how much support Ohio does not have. Have your son get a life and leave the people of Ohio alone. You have destroyed all hopes of the real sick people, not the ones with a little boo-boo!

  • Phil Blank

    One doesn’t need long hair to smoke pot!
    Your 5-step primer to investing in pot
    Reefer madness is back. But this time it’s not high school delinquents going crazy, but equity investors hell bent on marijuana-related stocks.
    business.financialpost.com/2014/03/28/medical-marijuana-stocks/

  • Jillian Galloway

    We’re allowed to produce beer at home, so why aren’t we also allowed to produce a far less-harmful and less-addictive alternative to beer? Why do we accept our legislators forcing the arrest of people who don’t want to become addicted to alcohol and who don’t want the liver disease, cancer and heart disease that alcohol causes?

    Why are we okay with SWAT teams targeting our loved ones for the “crime” of wanting to avoid the addiction and harm that alcohol causes? Do these legislators really believe that perpetual sobriety is a realistic option for the majority of Americans? Because if they don’t, then why aren’t we allowed to choose a FAR safer alternative to alcohol?

    • Phil Blank

      You are allowed to make wine too, but it just takes too long to make beer and wine, its easier to run to the store and buy it.

      • gapeterson

        it’s also easier to run over to my “guys” house and grab an “oh zee” real quick…takes 20 minutes versus growing and trimming and curing…mother nature is just way too slow sometimes…

    • SniperFire

      Weed has nothing to do with beer.

    • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

      Alcohol is already cemented in our culture and people are able to drink without getting drunk while enjoying the taste, texture, etc. You can pretend those aren’t good arguments but we all know they are.

      • jontomas

        Wow. Someone still tries to pass off that old canard.

        Alcohol tastes like horse urine, is addictive, VERY harmful and causes hangovers the next day.

        The ONLY reason people drink it is to get the buzz.

        As the DEA’s own administrative law judge, Francis Young, concluded after an exhaustive review of the evidence:

        “Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man.”

        • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

          “The ONLY reason people drink it is to get the buzz.”

          Alcohol is a terrible drug but your statement above is untrue. Tell that to anyone outside the Internet (or at least pro pot sites) and you’ll be laughed at, patted on the head, and re-educated. People for the most part don’t rush to get Everclear even though it’s alcohol content can curbstomp the strongest drinkers. Tell me, why would someone prefer a stout or porter when Everclear gives the quickest buzz? It’s not mainly about alcohol intoxication and you know it.

          • jontomas

            The fact people prefer mixtures that don’t eat their stomach lining as bad, says nothing about the fact they drink ALL forms of alcohol for the buzz.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2012/03/a-serious-answer-to-a-silly-argument/comments/page/1/#comments

            Pay close attention to the comment started by David Marks and the responses to his comment by beatpoet, Wholewit, and MajorThink. David Mark’s post is the typical drivel pot users argue against alcohol hypocrisy. He gets schooled quite easily. Look no further because that’s the best argument they have regarding evil booze.

          • Pablo Jones

            If you are going to make the argument that someone who wants a beer or two just wants to get buzzed then I can make the argument that all medical marijuana users just want to get high.

            Hey we can take it even further. Anyone who orders a pizza or even likes the taste of food just wants to get fat.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            I’m interested to here what you think of this alcohol vs cannabis use debate. Do you think there is a fundamental difference in their recreational use?

          • Pablo Jones

            It’s a non issue. You can’t justify one vice by pointing to another vice. That is like saying robbery is better than armed robbery because a person is less likely to get killed during an unarmed robbery.

  • Phil Blank

    One of those bundles from the auto repair shop in Amherst Township is missing!
    The three shown don’t make a full circle around a tire.

  • Tammy Cottrell

    John Pardee i just talked to my cousin she own’s Birdies in Elyria she would like to get a petition going how can she get it

    • John Pardee

      have her contact me at johnorg2014@gmail.com

      • Tammy Cottrell

        I don’t think she doe’s the computer but she is at work now you can call her 440-365-3979 Teri

    • Traci Anne Wolford

      Terri is AWESOME! I love her to death!

  • GreatRedeemer

    Looks like the Zig- Zag guy.

    • SniperFire

      I remember why they call it dope. LOL

      • PhilDeBowl

        Only Dopes call it dope,Dope.

    • Linda Pardee

      Did you read the article or just look at the pictures?

  • turd

    As long as we have legal heroin thats all I care about.

  • turd

    Meanwhile there is plenty of legal heroin available, Just look at all the oxycontin deaths this year alone.

  • ekwaykway

    The people on here who oppose maijuana legalization, sound like the people who opposed casino gambling. Stay behind the eight ball Ohio and get left in the dust.

  • golfingirl

    Okay…..so if I follow correctly, there are hundreds of chemicals in marijuana which are responsible for it’s therapeutic benefits.

    Delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), is the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, which produces the “high.”

    What if we had marijuana, without the delta-9 THC, which would provide the medicinal value, without the high. Simply take it out through chemistry, which would be relatively easy.

    Would there be as much support for it then? Provides the same therapeutic benefits, without the associated euphoria.

    My guess is most people would not be interested in the subject at all. No high?….why bother. Don’t need it now.

    Honestly, I really don’t care if it is legalized or not. It makes one tired, lazy and takes away motivation. To each their own. I personally prefer to live an active life, without chemical crutches.

    • done111

      Delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol is what is used to treat M/S with.

      • golfingirl

        Can get that with a prescription tablet.

        Plus, the ACA will cover the cost, so it will be “free.”

        • readyfred

          When you get M-S then you can decide what you treat it with. I have used the man made THC and the real THC. Sorry to bust your bubble but the man made is worthless.

        • Mark B

          Nothing with the ACA is FREE

          • golfingirl

            Good point!

    • jontomas

      Your last paragraph shows you drank the propaganda Kool-Aid.

      SAMHSA research determined more than 100 million Americans have consumed marijuana. That’s near HALF the of-age population. There are an estimated 30 to 50 million current consumers. The vast majority consume moderately – on the weekends or less, and are successful, hard-working, respected members of their communities. They are from all walks of life and loved by the families they support.

      Since we now know marijuana is less “addictive” than coffee, and far less harmful than alcohol, this should be no surprise to anyone.

      Marijuana is as American as apple pie – and healthier.

      • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

        Meh, you’ll probably argue that different strains have different effects. This line of thinking supports the idea that weed may make one sleepy or active depending on the plant type. This of course is nonsense as all weed get’s you stoned and the differences in strain effects (like stimulant) is largely anecdotal.

        • jontomas

          Though anyone who is experienced knows you are wrong, it’s a subject that is not relevant to the issue of the fraudulent, destructive marijuana prohibition.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            Anyone with experience? So IT IS mostly anecdote. I’ve always wondered why scientist never bothered verifying the strain’s “added effects” before studying it. Perhaps because it’s nonsense? Perhaps because it isn’t an objective standard for measurement?

          • jontomas

            Mostly because it doesn’t matter to the issue of the fraudulent, counter-productive marijuana prohibition.

        • Mark B

          Go look up Sativa and indicia

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            There inherent differences have little to do with policy issue (except cultivation and whatnot) and nothing to do with different effects. These supposed side effects are so insignificant that scientists don’t bother differentiating the strain when conducting studies. It’s Reefer Madness from the pot lobby in order to shoot down a rather accurate stereotype.

          • jz

            Gotcha. “accurate stereotype”. Your brain on Katzz. You are kicked off the debate team. Rule 3. Inability and/or unwillingness to see all sides of an argument.

      • Pablo Jones

        Well if it is estimated that 30-50 million people currently use the product it is only estimated that they are successful hardworking people.

    • PhilDeBowl

      Already being done. But what is so bad,in your mind,about Euphoria anyway? I would argue that euphoria can be a factor in healing and good health.

    • Mark B

      not all strains make you tired , or lazy

    • A Freedom Fighter

      I am 58 and have been using cannabis for 41 years. I’m a husband, father, electronics engineer, community volunteer and successful business owner. I vaporize cannabis (no smoke, no smell, no problems). I am in excellent health and I run 15-20 miles per week. I am just the tip of a very large iceberg! Critical mass has been reached! According to my latest reading no one has ever died from cannabis intoxication in all medical history. How long do we have to suffer the lies and ridiculous nonsense from a government whose own studies have shown cannabis all but completely harmless by comparison to prescription drugs, tobacco and booze. Stop the lies and Legalize!

    • PhilDeBowl

      You say ” it makes one tired,lazy and takes away motivation.” And You know this from personal exleriance ??

      • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

        Observation from other cannabis users.

  • golfingirl

    Final thought. I would definitely recommend that if you want to change people’s minds on this, you do away with the photos in this article.

    They do not serve the cause well. People do stereotype, yes we all do, and this is not the portrait of an average marijuana user you want to portray.

    Also, the wrecked car? Makes me wonder how many more wrecked cars we will see in the future, due to impaired drivers, marijuana or alcohol.

    Jason does look high and paranoid in the photo, as he peers from behind cannabis plants. Probably not the image you want to use in your campaign.

    Also, just be honest about your intentions. Is your cause for the medicinal use of marijuana, or is the ultimate goal full legalization for recreational use?

    • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

      Sad, I thought you were against pot but you’re just another pawn of the dope lobby.

      • golfingirl

        I am against legalization. Just trying to understand both sides of the argument.

        I have never heard anything from the pro-legalization side which could convince it should be legalized.

        • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

          Ah, I take back what I said. You’re pretty good at arguing against the pro legalization side as evidenced from the schooling you’ll give jontomas later today. Seriously, though if more people argued like you, legalizer’s would get laughed off the stage in debates :)

          • jontomas

            As evidenced by your fantasies about the future?
            LOL!!!!

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            In hindsight my sentence does seem silly but it was more of an estimation on how she would adequately refute your post in the near future. I don’t have a crystal ball unlike the stoners who claim legalization will be fine and dandy.

          • jontomas

            That’s “marijuana consumers” to you, bud. Or should I refer to you as the “boozer?”

            From your performance here so far, your “estimations” are worthless.

            Marijuana has been consumed by mankind for at least 3,000 years, with no problems. It is only the fraudulent prohibition, perpetrated in 1937, that causes ALL the crime, violence, corruption, death and the severe diminishment of everyone’s freedom.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            It didn’t start in 1937. Cannabis has been illegal in Islamic countries for centuries, and was outlawed in the British Empire ten years before anyone had even heard of Anslinger, and in most of the rest of the world before the United States was anything more than a bit player in the international arena. This is conspiracy-theory garbage.

          • jontomas

            We’re not interested in the drug policies of a few fanatical religious groups in other countries. Some have the death penalty for drinking a glass of wine. Much larger India has been consuming cannabis for centuries.

            Science shows these religious groups are misguided – to say the least. Especially where they approve of alcohol while banning near harmless marijuana.

          • tomfeher

            And beer’s been around for over 4,000 years

          • PhilDeBowl

            Not being subject to arrest,fines,imprisonment for enjoying a god given herb Will be Fine and Dandy…

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            More availability will lead to more users… Period. No amount of statistical gymnastics, bought studies, and just so stories will change that. That’s what ordinary citizens are worried about legalization. The harms of the law are greatly exaggerated compared to drug abuse. The idea that regulating such a commodity will result in less overall harm is a fantasy.

          • It has to stop

            In hindsight, every single post of yours on this thread seems silly.

          • jz

            Fry an egg on his head. This is your brain on Katzz.

          • It has to stop

            Better watch out, the complete sense you and others are making may well cause Howie’s head to explode. His reading skills seem to be severely
            lacking.

          • jontomas

            I think it must have exploded a long time ago, and there was considerable spillage. 8^)

        • jontomas

          Then you should pull your head out of… the ground.
          Marijuana reform won the debate on the Internet in five years. Where have you been?

          Marijuana prohibition was a monstrously fraud from it’s beginning in 1937. In all its 77 miserable years, it has never accomplished one positive thing. – It has ONLY caused vast amounts of crime, violence, corruption, death, and the severe diminishment of EVERYONE’s freedom.

          Thank goodness, Americans have woken up to the truth and now want to end the insane war on millions of good Americans who prefer near harmless marijuana over addictive, very harmful alcohol.

          • golfingirl

            I suppose I must have been taking care of my children and teaching them not to use drugs, but rather to enjoy their lives in a sober state.

            Harmless…..I don’t think so.

          • jontomas

            I didn’t say harmless. I said near harmless. As the DEA’s own administrative law judge, Francis Young, concluded after an exhaustive review of the evidence:

            “Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man.”

            Your personal habits are irrelevant to the issue.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            “Marijuana reform won the debate on the Internet in five years. Where have you been?”

            I would extend the same question to you. Legalization’s arguments are consistently refuted. Here is an example:

            http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2009/10/ndp-on-the-extradition-of-marc-emery.html

          • jontomas

            No. Reformers clearly win there also. Take a course in reading comprehension.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            Take of your reef- er, I mean rose tinted glasses.

          • jontomas

            Another silly diversion I can add to my list of prohibitionist meanderings when they can’t answer points.

      • jontomas

        You have made no point to support the insane war on millions of Americans who prefer near harmless marijuana over addictive, very harmful alcohol. – When will you try, instead of just tossing ignorant insults?

    • A Freedom Fighter

      final thoughs before what, your brain shuts down? frankly from what I read your brain is already shutdown.

    • PhilDeBowl

      Perhaps Jasons eyes look a little high and paranoid,,what do you expect from someone who is trying to recover from a horrible trauma to their body using”illegal” drugs?

  • ken

    Thank you John i’m going

  • readyfred

    The bottom line is that we will not get to vote on this in 2014. Rob Ryan an MPP both said ORG will not get the signatures needed. I think they should know what they are talking about. ORG has failed this time just like they did in 2012 and it will be the same in 2016. They do just need to go away for the good of Ohio.

    • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

      Hopefully, America will realize that 2012 was an anomaly and with that, a nationwide backlash against legalization. You can already see it in the comment sections here, where potheads constantly get refuted by everyone else.

      • jontomas

        The desperation by haters to keep the fraudulent, vicious war on good Americans going is sickening.

        NO marijuana reform points have ever been effectively refuted.
        The polls show 2012 was no “anomaly.” – Americans are tired of this monstrously destructive prohibition and the prohibition profiteers that try to keep it going.

        • golfingirl

          So because our opinions differ, we are frauds, vicious and sickening haters?

          Really?

          Good luck with your “project.”

          • jontomas

            No. It’s not because of “differing opinions.” It’s because of prohibitionist lies and propaganda versus marijuana reformers’ science and truth.

            It’s because you spread propaganda that perpetuates the vicious persecution of millions of good Americans.

            More than 700,000 innocent Americans are arrested for simple marijuana possession each year and made second-class citizens – for life! They will forever face huge obstacles to decent employment, education, travel, housing, government benefits, and will always go into court with one strike against them. They can even have their children taken away!

            20 million Americans are now locked away in this very un-American sub-class. That has a horrible effect on the whole country, being an incredible waste of human potential.

            The fraudulent prohibition has never accomplished one positive thing. It has only caused vast amounts of crime, corruption, violence, death and the severe diminishment of everyone’s freedom.
            There is no more important domestic issue than ending what is essentially the American Inquisition! – (and exposing the vicious haters that support it)

        • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

          Legalizer’s points are consistently refuted time and time again.

          • A Freedom Fighter

            regarding what?

          • jontomas

            If so, then it should be easy to name one example. – Go ahead, please.

      • A Freedom Fighter

        too funny howie!

      • PhilDeBowl

        RRigght,let’s go back to the good old day’s of a failed prohibition….yeah,that’s the ticket.

  • Larry Crnobrnja

    Unfortunately most of us judge a book by its cover. I don’t think the photo helps the cause. But I’m just an old white guy, the kind that votes most of the time, so what do I know.

    • jontomas

      Stereotypical photos get published because the mainstream media thinks it helps to sell newspapers – period.

      Most Americans see past that mindlessness now.

    • PhilDeBowl

      We all have “first impressions” only the ignorant let that determine how they interact with and judge other people.

      • Larry Crnobrnja

        I guess that means most people are ignorant?

        • PhilDeBowl

          True,sadly.

  • jontomas

    What’s so frustrating about this issue, is long after false prohibitionist “points” have been refuted, the garbage is still tossed out as “proof.”

    DRIVING

    Some people think marijuana consumption causes accidents like alcohol does. It doesn’t, for various reasons. Research has shown marijuana is less intoxicating. More importantly, while alcohol drinkers think they are better drivers and so drive faster and more aggressively, marijuana consumers are very aware of their altered consciousness and correctly judge when they are too impaired to drive – refraining from doing so. If they must, they correctly compensate for their altered state by driving slower and more cautiously.

    The point is, judgment is not affected like it is with alcohol. Marijuana consumers simply don’t put themselves or others in harm’s way. Consequently, the preponderance of the research shows marijuana is NOT a significant cause of auto accidents

    Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence

    http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5450

    The Hartford Courant confirms this:

    >>>”States that legalized the medical use of marijuana have had a drop in deadly automobile crashes, suggesting that some people who would otherwise drive drunk and kill someone are smoking weed instead, according to research by three economists.”

    http://articles.courant.com/2012-01-16/business/hc-marijuana-traffic-deaths-0117-20120116_1_medical-marijuana-law-medical-marijuana-fatal-accidents

    CANCER

    While smoked marijuana does contain some of the same toxins as cigarettes or any other kind of smoke, smoking marijuana does NOT cause cancer. For two main reasons. One, marijuana consumers inhale a tiny fraction of the smoke that cigarette smokers do. People standing on a busy street corner inhale more toxic smoke than the two or three puffs of marijuana. Second, science has shown marijuana has anti-cancer properties.

    The preeminent researcher of marijuana and lung disease, UCLA’s Dr. Donald Tashkin, conducted investigations over 30 years, initially believing there must be a causal relationship. But he finally concluded that smoking marijuana does NOT cause cancer or ANY other serious disease.

    “We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use. What we found instead was no association at all, and even some suggestion of a protective effect.”

    GATEWAY

    The Drug Czar’s own 1999 Institute of Medicine study of marijuana concluded the “gateway” theory is just a myth that does not operate in reality. This has been confirmed by every legitimate study since then.

    In fact, SAMHSA research shows that for every 100 people who try marijuana, only ONE later becomes a regular consumer of the next most popular “illegal” drug – cocaine.

    Clearly, instead of being a gateway, marijuana is actually a TERMINUS drug – being the LAST one most people ever consume.

    The truth is, marijuana has NO significant harms. – In all its 76 miserable years, the fraudulent prohibition has never accomplished one positive thing. It has ONLY caused vast amounts of crime, violence, corruption, death and the severe diminishment of everyone’s freedom.

  • golfingirl

    Honestly, if you want to smoke your fricking brains out, feel free.

    But stop presenting marijuana as a medicinal agent, when we know you simply want to use it for its euphoric effects.

    Take away the “high,” and its support disappears, like a hit off a bong, into thin air.

    • jontomas

      It’s too bad your brain can’t handle the fact marijuana is both a recreational and medicinal drug. We now have thousands of studies confirming the medical efficacy.

      But, the recreational issue is the far larger one. – Every person who switches from addictive, very harmful alcohol, to near harmless marijuana, improves their health and life tremendously – as well as the lives of their family and community.

      • golfingirl

        How about if they do neither, drugs or alcohol?

        Those are the people who really “improves their health and life tremendously – as well as the lives of their family and community.”

        This constant comparison between alcohol and marijuana carries no weight with a person who does neither.

        • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

          I hear crickets chirping, good post.

          • A Freedom Fighter

            isnt that what you always hear howie?

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            In my head of course.

          • A Freedom Fighter

            exactly my point howie, so, Which one is safer?
            - Prescription drugs KILL over 265,000 in the US annually
            - Alcohol KILLS over 40,000 in the US annually + 16,000 traffic death
            - Tobacco KILLS over 390,000 in the US annually
            - Cannabis KILLS 0, none, nada, not a single overdose death in all medical history and no notable statistical history of traffic accidents
            So, which one is safer?
            All data quoted directly from the Center for Disease Control website.

          • Pablo Jones

            Wow, according to the CDC in 2008 there were 14,800 deaths from prescription drugs. So are you saying in 4 (2013 wouldn’t be available yet) years it has increased to 265,000?

            Exaggerating your numbers doesn’t help make your case.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            He literally pulled those numbers out of thin air. If you go to the CDC website, no such page supports what he claims.

          • jontomas

            It’s funny to watch no-argument haters desperately claim a poster’s absence as some kind of surrender. – Pathetic.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            To be fair, I got the idea from a stoner on disqus who believes the very same thing you ridicule me of.

          • jontomas

            It doesn’t matter where you got it from, only that you tried to use it. – Lame as it gets.

        • A Freedom Fighter

          ever have a glass of wine or beer golfngrl?

        • jontomas

          That’s fine for people that want do that. But mankind has been consuming both alcohol and marijuana for at least 3,000 years. We will likely be doing so for another few thousand. – This is the group under discussion.

          Science now knows it is much healthier for this group to choose near harmless marijuana.

          If you want to start a tea-totalers’ discussion, look elsewhere.

          • PhilDeBowl

            Thank You!!

      • golfingirl

        So, the real motive here is the legalization of marijuana for recreational use.

        I just wish Mr. Pardee would stop hiding behind his “medicinal use” facade.

        At least you have been honest enough to admit your agenda.

        We simply have to agree to disagree on this on. We are both entitled to our opinions. Thank you for yours.

        Good luck with your cause.

        • jontomas

          No. You have the same problem as golfingirl. Some people want it for medical purposes. More want it for recreational purposes. Both are valid, and it doesn’t matter which one, or both, people advocate for.

          • Pablo Jones

            The question still remains though is he advocating for one, the other, or both? While it may not mater to you, it does mater to people that would vote on it, if it ever comes to a vote.

    • PhilDeBowl

      Most MJ users would love to “feel free” so you support legalization then,,,right?

      • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

        She doesn’t or rather she doesn’t care if you support legalization, just don’t use medicine as an excuse.

        • jontomas

          The majority of the people who voted for medical marijuana just want to move marijuana as far as possible back to its traditionally legal status. Most Americans have no problem with any adult consuming marijuana, and don’t care why they partake, or why they say they consume.

          Get over your hysteria.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            Tell that to readyfred, he thinks otherwise.

          • A Freedom Fighter

            poor howie, always hateful and angry

        • PhilDeBowl

          What excuse did the government use to prohibit MJ. ???

    • A Freedom Fighter

      Is life really so bad for you that you have to go find places to make up stuff, name call and criticize others. this type behavior is generally a sign of low self esteem. Cannabis is the safest mind altering substance on the planet. Not a single overdose death and all medical history. If people are going to use a substance don’t you think it would be better if they use a safe one? Alcohol, tobacco, prescription drugs KILL over 650,000 people per year in the United States alone. Cannabis kills 0, not one person. Stop the lies and legalize!

      • Pablo Jones

        It seems like every time the number of people that die from other means keeps increasing. Soon it will be hundreds of millions die every day.

  • SpaceTech

    Go ahead and toke it up boys and girls!
    Have fun trying to keep your jobs or find new ones–the state may make pot legal but your employer retains 100% control over your job and if you aren’t drug tested now you may be in the future. If your company policey is No drug use ZERO tolerance and you get popped on a drug test—You Lose with No recourse!

    • golfingirl

      Well said.

      • A Freedom Fighter

        thanks

    • A Freedom Fighter

      It’s estimated that 50 million cases of beer are sold to Americans for consumption on a typical Super Bowl Sunday. Every year some of those people will end up driving drunk. There will be accidents. There will be deaths. There will be fights & domestic violence. There will be people puking, people passed out, and some folks who end up doing things they will really regret the next morning. Someone might even die from an alcohol overdose. Cannabis, not so much.

      One person is killed every half-hour in the US due to drunk driving. Each year over 16,000 are killed in alcohol related crashes. Alcohol is a factor in about half of all traffic fatalities. Every 2-3 minutes a person is seriously injured in an alcohol related crash. Cannabis traffic statistics are almost nonexistent by comparison. Which is safer? The answer is obvious. Cannabis with never an overdose death in all medical history, and no significant statistical record of traffic accidents is clearly safer! End the lies and legalize.

    • jontomas

      The polls, science, and the widespread public experience are clear.
      Employers of the near future will prefer their employees consume (at home) near harmless marijuana, rather than addictive, very harmful, hangover-inducing alcohol.

      • Mark B

        Not to mention the reductions they will see in the cost of employee health care

    • PhilDeBowl

      Well,as it is legal in this State now they will have to adjust the “policy”.

    • jz

      If I come to work with an alcohol hangover same policy? Facist idiot.

  • Reagan

    Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves.

    Abraham Lincoln

    • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

      I think the freedom to live in a safe environment away from drug abuse is pretty important too.

      • Reagan

        They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

        Benjamin Franklin

        • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

          Sorry, I’d rather have saftey than modern America’s view of freedom.

          • A Freedom Fighter

            being safe never kept freedom in place in history. patriots risk all for freedom!

          • jontomas

            The only thing about marijuana that endangers safety is the fraudulent, counter-productive prohibition. The vicious persecution has never accomplished one positive thing. It has ONLY caused vast amounts of crime, violence, corruption, death, and the severe diminishment of everyone’s freedom.

          • PhilDeBowl

            Sorry to be You then.

      • A Freedom Fighter

        ever have a beer howie?

      • jontomas

        What a joke. Alcohol fuels violence and traffic carnage. Marijuana is famous for creating friendly, laid-back attitudes.

        Alcohol is often abused. – How do you abuse a plant that is near harmless?

      • PhilDeBowl

        Right,when’s the last time You were bothered by cannabis users ??

    • golfingirl

      Freedom is one thing, “free and dumb” is quite another.

      I desire freedom from income taxes.

      I think I should be free to shop naked, when the mood strikes me.

      I think you are mistaking freedom for liberty.

      • Reagan

        The American experiment is about freedom.
        Freedom to be stupid, freedom to fail, freedom to succeed.

      • A Freedom Fighter

        I know it frustrates you, but cannabis legalization is here to stay whether you like it or not! It seems you’re vexed, and need to find meaning in your life. Try a local house of worship, or perhaps some sort of volunteer organization where you can get meaning in your life. I hope you’re feeling better soon.

      • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

        “I think you are mistaking freedom for liberty.”

        Libertarians will often do that.

        • Reagan

          Interesting, I never knew Abraham Lincoln was a libertarian.

      • jontomas

        Professor Julian Heicklen never smoked, or cared about, marijuana. But when he retired in 1998, he decided the most important thing he could do was to lead marijuana smoke-outs at the Gates of Penn State, every Thursday for more than a year. Of course, he was arrested several times. When asked why he was doing this, he replied:

        “Marijuana is the messenger, not the message. The issue is whether we will live in freedom or in tyranny!”

    • done111

      Does that include the freedom of speech??

  • john legend

    Legalize pot then try to explain to some people that golf isnt really a sport. I believe throwing darts is more of a sport than golf.

    • golfingirl

      And your point is what?

      • A Freedom Fighter

        The commission created by Richard M. Nixon concluded the following about marijuana:
        The National Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse (a.k.a. “the Shafer Commission”), formally made its recommendation on March 22, 1972 advising Congress to remove criminal penalties on the possession and nonprofit distribution of marijuana.
        “Neither the marihuana user nor the drug itself can be said to constitute a danger to public safety,” concluded the report’s authors, led by then-Gov. Raymond Shafer of Pennsylvania. “Therefore, the Commission recommends that the possession of marijuana for personal use no longer be an offense, and that the casual distribution of small amounts of marihuana for no remuneration, or insignificant remuneration no longer be an offense.”
        Despite the commission’s recommendations, Nixon and Congress ignored the report. Since then nearly 100 million Americans have been arrested on simple possession of marijuana charges for nothing. FBI statistics indicate that one marijuana smoker is arrested every 37 seconds in America. End the lies and legalize.

        • golfingirl

          Hold on there cowboy. You “slam” republicans, then you turn around and reference Nixon them when it suits you?

          Really?

          • A Freedom Fighter

            nixon ignored the report gulfngrl

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            And cannabis advocates ignored the critique of the report (Shafer Commission) by Gabriel G. Nahas. Stoners write him off as a loon claiming even prohibitionists avoid his work but I bet you they haven’t even taken the time to judge the Naha’s response.

          • A Freedom Fighter

            Which one is safer howie?
            - Prescription drugs KILL over 265,000 in the US annually
            - Alcohol KILLS over 40,000 in the US annually + 16,000 traffic death
            - Tobacco KILLS over 390,000 in the US annually
            - Cannabis KILLS 0, none, nada, not a single overdose death in all medical history and no notable statistical history of traffic accidents
            So, which one is safer?
            All data quoted directly from the Center for Disease Control website.

          • jz

            So what?

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            What? Stop trumping a very old study which was refuted decades ago.

          • A Freedom Fighter

            Reading comprehension? Nixon was so stupid as to not take the advice of the Shaffer Commission.

    • golfingirl

      Are you high right now, because you are making no sense whatsoever!

      • A Freedom Fighter

        he is not the only one who seems a little bit confused.

  • golfingirl

    I remember the “kids” in college who smoked pot. They spoke fast and loud, with inappropriate bursts of laughter. They felt anxiety, fear, distrust and even panic.

    Then came the sleepy, stupor stage, as their buzz began wearing off. They were uncoordinated and had a lack of concentration, often forgetting what they were talking about mid-conversation. They couldn’t study for an exam, instead choosing the pillow instead. Learning, doing complicated tasks, participating in athletics was compromised, and their driving was terrible.

    Their eyes were always red and they smelled like burnt rope. Their sense of time was distorted and they craved junk food, usually something sweet.

    Funny thing was, they thought they were acting “normal” and nobody noticed. They made fools out of themselves. Many became anti-social and unmotivated over time. It was as though their maturity stopped and they never became adults.

    That is my experience being around marijuana users. Maybe yours are different, however mine have shaped my opinion.

    • A Freedom Fighter

      Im afraid your bad choices of personal friends does not make scientific data.
      Just a few of the Sports Superstars that use cannabis: Ricky Williams, Michael Phelps, Randy Moss, Santonio Holmes, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Josh Howard, Tim Lincecum, Doc Ellis, Bill Walton, 75% of the NBA, 55% of the NFL and 98% of all pro snowboarders…
      Other Famous cannabis users: Carl Sagan, Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, Richard Burton, Margaret Mead, Louis Armstrong, John Denver, Willie Nelson, Don Ho, Smokey Robinson, Pink, Tom Petty, Benny Goodman, Michael Phelps, Rick Steves, Michael Bloomberg, Ted Turner, Montel Williams, Stephen King, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bill Murray, Art Garfunkel, Chris Rock, Wesley Snipes, Thelonious Monk, Steve Martin, Sir Paul McCartney, Rudyard Kipling, Ray Charles, Peter Sellers, Newt Gingrich, Neil Young, Larry Hagman, Julia Roberts, Johnny Cash, Jesse Ventura, Jennifer Aniston, Jack Nicholson, Francis Ford Coppola, Duke Ellington, Drew Barrymore, Dionne Warwick, Bing Crosby…and many many more!

      • golfingirl

        And your point is?

        98% of all snowboarders smoke pot? I am shocked!!

        • A Freedom Fighter

          you hang out with the wrong crowd.

      • jz

        Don’t forget Montel Williams. He and Ventura were Navy Seals.

        • Pablo Jones

          The only time Montel Williams was a Navy Seal was when he was playing the part on a couple tv shows.

    • jontomas

      Anecdotal “information” carries little weight for various good reasons. One is, you could be making it all up. It’s clear you are here to demonize marijuana consumers.

      SAMHSA research determined more than 100 million Americans have consumed marijuana. That’s near HALF the of-age population. There are an estimated 30 to 50 million current consumers. The vast majority consume moderately – on the weekends or less, and are successful, hard-working, respected members of their communities. They are from all walks of life and loved by the families they support.

      Since we now know marijuana is less “addictive” than coffee, and far less harmful than alcohol, this should be no surprise to anyone.

      Also, there are, of course, many benefits of recreational marijuana. These excellent testimonies of consumers (some famous) describe them well:

      http://marijuana-uses.com/read/

      Marijuana is as American as apple pie – and healthier.

    • jz

      I knew the same people and they all grew up to become productive citizens and good parents after graduating. You failed to mention how the heavy alcohol users in college behaved. True as your observations were do you not attribute a lot of unseemingly behavior to the fact at one time we were all young and dumb? And like you I was in college and experienced the same things.

  • A Freedom Fighter

    I am 58 and have been using cannabis for 41 years. I’m a husband, father, electronics engineer, community volunteer and successful business owner. I vaporize cannabis (no smoke, no smell, no problems). I am in excellent health and I run 15-20 miles per week. I am just the tip of a very large iceberg! Critical mass has been reached! According to the CDC web site no one has ever died from cannabis intoxication in all medical history. How long do we have to suffer the lies and ridiculous nonsense from a government whose own studies have shown cannabis all but completely harmless by comparison to prescription drugs, tobacco and booze will directly kill over 650,000 people per year. Stop the lies and Legalize!

    • golfingirl

      Been using all your adult life.

      Time to grow up little boy!

      • A Freedom Fighter

        Is life really so bad for you that you have to go find places to make up stuff, name call and criticize others. this type behavior is generally a sign of low self esteem. Cannabis is the safest mind altering substance on the planet. Not a single overdose death and all medical history. If people are going to use a substance don’t you think it would be better if they use a safe one? Alcohol, tobacco, prescription drugs KILL over 650,000 people per year in the United States alone. Cannabis kills 0, not one person. Stop the lies and legalize!

      • PhilDeBowl

        Weak.

      • jz

        Now that is stereotyping. Two examples. Montel Williams and Hulk Hogan. Both were Navy Seals. You gonna tell them to grow up? I thought you were smarter than that?

        • Pablo Jones

          Neither were Navy Seals. Montel received a college education, Hogan dropped out of college.

          • jz

            I meant Jesse Ventura. You are right I stand corrected. I looked up Williams. He did receive numerous meritous awards as a naval intelligence officer. My point is that many people have smoked marijuana and still were high achievers. The arguments on this topic to me it is a live and let live philosophy. We’re not talking legalizing rape and armed robbery here. The naysayers on weed are exaggerated, the pro weed people make more sense.

          • Pablo Jones

            Ok, where did you find that Montel Williams was smoking up while in school and in the military. As far as I’m aware he didn’t start until after he found out he had MS.

            Now would he have been as successful if he was smoking since high school? Maybe but we don’t know. Sure you can find some people that smoked or still do that are successful, but you can also find many more that smoked or still do that aren’t. There haven’t been true studies that studied large groups of smokers at different levels and non smokers to see what the over effect of smoking is.

          • jz

            We don,t need any more studies. I,ve been on this earth 60 years and seen enough to know that legal marijuana is not the end of the world, and for the life of me cannot understand people with the ultimate hard on towards it. Unless you do not drink, smoke, gamble, and are vice free. And there are probably benefits ie alcohol consumption goes down even 5-10 percent there is one benefit right off the bat. There are enough things to be so adamantly against. Like going to work under the influence of anything. We were all kids at one time and figured out back then the borderline hysteria over weed is silly. Get a grip.

          • Pablo Jones

            If you believe it to have no side effects whats the harm in studies? You should encourage all the studies because then you would have proof that there is nothing wrong with it.

          • jz

            Once again you are smarter than that. I never said there are no side effects. Of course there has to be. I don,t need a study to “proof there is nothing wrong with it”. I,m not an alcoholic but I have no doubt the damage to my health, if any, has been much worse from my earlier drinking days than the occasional puff of marijuana. Do I need more studies? Of course not. Sitting behind the computer too much probably makes some peoples backs stiff, right? Too much fried food, alcohol, tylenol, and 100′s of things have side effects. The point is moderation, no? How many more studies do we need on just about everything from too many whoppers, tobacco, whatever? Like I said I,m 60, seen abusers of alcohol, cigarettes, some died young, some lived to their 80′s while abusing cigarettes and booze. Three friends have throat cancer, 1 of them smoked cigarettes, the other 2 did not. All still in their 50′s. Studies also can be gerrymandered with political motives designed to create a certain outcome. A recent article in the Journalism of Medicine quoted many people in the field of medicine who admitted that they themselves have on many occasions not been true to the scientific method due to who is funding the studies and to focusing on negatives rather than being scientifically impartial. To me I say so what? Of course there is a need for studies when a new drug is ready for distribution ie blood pressure pills etc. But I think there are way too many studies that are pointless for most of us but they are done to benefit certain parties either for economic and/or political reasons. It’s like tobacco. As long as you are not blowing it in my face I don,t need or want the government telling business owners they can,t let people smoke in their establishments. And I don,t even smoke and certainly do not miss the smell getting on my clothes. But I value freedom more. Back to the point. There are enough bad people who harm us, and more dangerous things to worry about than people who smoke marijuana responsibly, drink alcohol responsible, and own guns responsibly. If you are so big on studies then study LEAP, the Law Enforcement Against Prohibition site, study up, and come to your own conclusion on whether or not the drug war,especially on marijuana users, has “nothing wrong with it”. Good Day.

    • golfingirl

      “No one has ever died from cannabis intoxication in all medical history.”

      Does that include accident related deaths while under the influence as well?

      • A Freedom Fighter

        One person is killed every half-hour in the US due to drunk driving. Each year over 16,000 are killed in alcohol related crashes. Alcohol is a factor in about half of all traffic fatalities. Every 2-3 minutes a person is seriously injured in an alcohol related crash. Cannabis traffic statistics are almost nonexistent by comparison. Which is safer? The answer is obvious. Cannabis with never an overdose death in all medical history, and no significant statistical record of traffic accidents is clearly safer! End the lies and legalize.

  • john legend

    Don Ho rocks. Going to take a nap now, put on some golf and be sleeping within minutes. PBA is on too, but golf will knock me out sooner

    • golfingirl

      See, you just made my point. You “just smoked a big fat doobie” as you stated above, now you need a nap.

      • A Freedom Fighter

        gulfngrl, what is it like to be so mean spirited?

      • PhilDeBowl

        How is that any different than a martinni before dinner,or a glass of wine with dinner ??Oh,Right ,it’s illegal …

  • A Freedom Fighter

    Which one is safer?
    - Prescription drugs KILL over 265,000 in the US annually
    - Alcohol KILLS over 40,000 in the US annually + 16,000 traffic death
    - Tobacco KILLS over 390,000 in the US annually
    - Cannabis KILLS 0, none, nada, not a single overdose death in all medical history and no notable statistical history of traffic accidents
    So, which one is safer?
    All data quoted directly from the Center for Disease Control website.

  • john legend

    I just smoked a big fat doobie and i guarantee i make more sense than golfgal. Really isnt saying much, but thought id share.

    • A Freedom Fighter

      people like golfngirl generally have low self esteem. I feel sorry for her and howie! little people trying to make themselves feel big. very sad ;-)

      • golfingirl

        Don’t feel sad for me, really, I am avery, very happy person.

        And amazingly, I don’t need any chemicals to get me through my day.

        Probably a strange concept for you, but believe it or not, there are people out there that have full lives and don’t need to rely on drugs to elevate their moods.

        • A Freedom Fighter

          Is life really so bad for you that you have to go find places to criticize others. this type behavior is generally a sign of low self esteem. Try and get some help. Is there anyone there you can call or talk to?

          • golfingirl

            Thank you for your concern. I think I will be fine.

            Have a great day.

          • A Freedom Fighter

            gulpingrl, I think you should really get some help with that .

        • Joe Smith

          Zero coffee or alcohol consumption, no chocolate? ? Not jumping on the bandwagon, but those are chemicals also

          • golfingirl

            No alcohol, an occasional cup of coffee, decaf of course, and I really don’t care for chocolate.

          • A Freedom Fighter

            so what makes you so mean? cant be decaf coffee. thats what I drink and im not mean like you.

        • PhilDeBowl

          Happy,Happy,,,,very Happy,,Very Very Happy,,Really…..

        • jz

          I,m sure you realize that most people who drink or smoke weed do not need it to get thru their day. Most partake occasionally. I used to love a 6 pack, some charcoal and a slab of ribs on a Friday evening after a good week at work. I see no reason why I should not be able to occasionally enjoy a little high grade weed or hash with that combo. Ask Cavanaugh what he would prefer. Hamms or Heinekin? Echo Spring or Crown Royal? Oh my. The sky is falling. Worse case scenario. A small percentage end up hard core drug addicts. We wage a Drug War. And we have total chaos for all parties. Except for those who would rather support a black market, and higher crime. Makes no sense at all.

    • golfingirl

      Thank you for your insightful comments. No doubt a product of your THC infused neurons.

      • A Freedom Fighter

        how did you become such a mean person gulfingrl?

  • john legend

    Legalization should be here soon. Should have been here years ago

    • A Freedom Fighter

      I think critical mass has clearly been reached! Uruguay has completely legalized cannabis and amazing as it seems, the country’s still up and running! Colorado and Washington are both doing fine and both getting a huge economic boost by leading the country in the cannabis culture shift and business. Most states are cash starved and when you add up the numbers over $41,000,000,000 (billion) will be recovered anually once reefer madness is over. The ice is broken and cash talks while reefer madness BS walks. Celebrate! We will finally stop the madness. Keep up the good fight until we are free from government oppression of all kinds.

  • A Freedom Fighter

    With the CDC statistics below becoming common knowledge it is time for the next step in logic. Why has our government been blatantly lying to us regarding cannabis? Could it be that our corporate controlled government has been steering us away from marijuana and onto tobacco, booze and big pharma? Is it because they can control and profit from these highly addictive and deadly serial killers? As an American i think its time to remove corporate controlled politicians from our government and by law all corporate and wall street money from washington DC.
    Figures directly from the CDC dot gov web site on numbers of deaths per year in the USA.
    * Prescription Drugs: 237,485
    * Tobacco: 390,323
    * Alcohol: 39,199
    * Marijuana 0, none, not a single overdose death in all medical history
    Cited direct from CDC dot gov. Stop the lies and Legalize!

    • golfingirl

      Big Pharma are deadly killers?

      Tell that to the parents of a child with leukemia, which years ago was a death sentence, but now have a 98%+ cure rate.

      What if that child was the one you are holding in your picture? Would you just have him take a few hits off your bong and hope for the best?

      I think not.

      • A Freedom Fighter

        my son and I in front of our vacation home in Kauai last summer. thanks for noticing. we go back for a month in july! cant wait. I never smoke anything BTW. vaporizer, no smell, no smoke, no problem. when my son is 21 I will be glad to share some cannabis vapor to celebrate!

      • A Freedom Fighter

        If you really want to keep kids safe, FIRST keep them away from booze, tobacco and prescription drugs. Data direct from CDC dot gov show that no one has ever died from a marijuana overdose in all recorded medical history, while tobacco, alcohol and prescription drugs directy cause over 650,000 deaths per year in the US.
        US CDC Figures directly from the CDC dot gov web site on numbers of deaths per year in the USA :
        * Prescription Drugs: 237,485
        * Tobacco: 381,323
        * Alcohol: 39,199 + 16,000 traffic deaths
        * Marijuana 0, none, not a single death in all medical history
        Cited direct from CDC dot gov. Stop the lies and Legalize!

  • done111

    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2014/03/05/will-ohio-legalize-marijuana-this-year/6104687/

    Even with all the support, Ohio doesn’t appear likely to change its marijuana laws in 2014. Medical marijuana advocates have gathered only 50,000 of the more than 385,000 signatures they’d need by July 2 to put an issue on the ballot this year.

    • jontomas

      If not 2014, perhaps 2016. Many states are lining up to re-legalize marijuana in that year. – By 2020, most states will end marijuana prohibition and the federal ban will fall.

    • Joe Smith

      They need to stand outside rock concerts to get signatures.

    • readyfred

      When you post facts, you will get no reply’s.

      • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

        Careful now, most stoners here will call you a concern troll if you demonize recreational users in favor of medical users.

        • readyfred

          That is why they had to rewrite the wording so ever member of NORML would qualify. It was never about the sick!

        • A Freedom Fighter

          why are you such a mean person howie.

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            Seems like readyfred disagrees with you as well. Is he mean?

        • faceseverywhere

          Do you even have a life dude? Or are you just worried about posting nonsense and discredited “facts”? Truth is you really don’t know what the hell you are talking about do you? I’ve been on here for like an hour, and most i see you berating people with lies and “facts” with no legitimate proof. I’m not offended by your ignorance, I pity you. By the way, I’m not discussing your intelligence, so dont accuse me of doing so as I have seen in your past comments. You are ignorant when it comes to marijuana. Who cares if its for recreational or medicinal? Its stupid to criminalize something that has more benefits than it does cons. Really, who gets addicted to pot? Its mental if anything. You, sir, are the troll. Grow up dude. You’re opinion isn’t fact.

    • faceseverywhere

      Couldn’t post something original, that you didn’t copy from the page? I read that article before coming here. You have a keyboard, dont use copy and paste.

  • done111

    Org has over 10,000 likes on facebook but yet this article only has 60. Wheres the national support?

  • Brooke Lower

    4 guys go to a Browns game after starting early drinking a couple cases of beer and what ever else. The chest bumping, can throwing, and picking fights with other fans begins.

    The same 4 guys smoke one before going into the game. They sit back and enjoy the game. And one of the guys gets up and says” I’m getting nachos anyone else want some?” Then gets some nachos and tries to avoid the bottle throwers.

    I’ve been in both situations, and know lots of white collar business owners and blue collar workers that are responsible marijuana smokers that don’t do any other drugs. When your young you have to run into the wall so da speak. When we grow up responsibilities kick in and you hopefully learn everything in moderation.

    • readyfred

      What medical condition do these 4 people have?

      • BIG DADDY

        The same as probably 3/4 of working Americans. The going out and having a good time disease. It’s the push for the end of marijuana prohibition. And the rationale of alcohol being legal but marijuana not legal. Just broke it down how people behave. With no psychological degree.

        • readyfred

          I really thought this was about medical use and not recreational use. I have M-S….what do you have?

          • BIG DADDY

            For the past 25 years I haven’t understood why it’s not legal, and alcohol is coming from a family of alcoholics. I’ve broke the chain and would still be smoking if it wasn’t for my work. Having MS I’m sure if you have used marijuana you understand the benefits of medical marijuana. But since you asked I have a sciatic nurve and slipped disc, And my wife has lupus. We live with pain because we don’t want to be addicted to pills. I smoked recreationally for about 15 years it relieved my head aches and back problems. But when I had to get another job I just stopped no addiction problems 10 years later. The use of marijuana, hemp, and canabis has as many benefits as corn if not more as a whole.

          • faceseverywhere

            Who cares? Its not your business to pry into someone life. Its for both. Just because a doctor didn’t tell you that you have a medical issue doesn’t mean you dont have one. A doctor cant tell me I have chronic migraines, because they cant feel what I feel.

      • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

        I love the infighting among stoners. Those who only believe weed is for medical use vs. recreational.

        • A Freedom Fighter

          Wow, are you ok? You sound kind of frustrated.
          I am 58 and have been using cannabis for 41 years. I’m a husband, father, electronics engineer, community volunteer and successful business owner. I vaporize cannabis (no smoke, no smell, no problems). I am in excellent health and I run 15-20 miles per week. According to the CDC web site no one has ever died from cannabis intoxication in all medical history. How long do we have to suffer the lies and ridiculous nonsense from a government whose own studies have shown cannabis all but harmless by comparison to prescription drugs, tobacco and booze. Stop the lies and Legalize!

        • jz

          Who says stoners anymore? Like everyone who drinks is an alchie? Dimwit.

  • A Freedom Fighter

    Who’s against Cannabis Legalization? :
    - Private Prisons, a 1.5 BILLION $ industry will lose up to 30% of their “Customers.”
    - Drug cartels, will lose cannabis sales forever.
    - Breweries and distilleries, are the biggest lobby against legalization. These alcoholic products KILL some 40,000 people per year in the USA.
    - Law enforcement, set to lose about 50% of all drug arrests to plain common sense.
    - Big pharma hates cannabis because it frequently works better than the products they sell and they cannot find a sure fire way to capitalize on cannabis.

  • john legend

    Golfgal sounds like she has a problem with her family and it makes her feel better when she vents on here to let it all out. Ever think about counseling for your problem?

    • A Freedom Fighter

      people like that are generally unhappy and try and make others unhappy too. sad really.

    • PhilDeBowl

      Golfingirl 12 hours ago;”my husband has launched several drugs into the U.S market.”
      That tells you all you need to know about golfingirl.

  • topofthemorningeverybody

    at this moment..comments on this story is,99 comments away, from ‘hitting 420′ lol

    • topofthemorningeverybody

      98

  • LookBackTwo

    Smoking MJ is “good”…..smoking tobaco is “bad”….throat and lung cancer is cancer no matter what you smoke.

    • jontomas

      While smoked marijuana does contain some of the same toxins as cigarettes or any other kind of smoke, smoking marijuana does NOT cause cancer. For two main reasons. One, marijuana consumers inhale a tiny fraction of the smoke that cigarette smokers do. People standing on a busy street corner inhale more toxic smoke than the two or three puffs of marijuana. Second, science has shown marijuana has anti-cancer properties.

      The preeminent researcher of marijuana and lung disease, UCLA’s Dr. Donald Tashkin, conducted investigations over 30 years, initially believing there must be a causal relationship. But he finally concluded that smoking marijuana does NOT cause cancer or ANY other serious disease.

      “We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use. What we found instead was no association at all, and even some suggestion of a protective effect.”

    • A Freedom Fighter

      cancer has never been lnked to cannabis.

      • Pablo Jones

        Because those people also smoke cigarettes or because when the doctor asks do you smoke they just say yes instead of saying they only smoke marijuana.

  • topofthemorningeverybody

    and the comments keep going and going..lol..i say if everyone here&in the world,smoked for 1 day..we will experienced a moment that will go down in history…world peace ;) relax everybody, it’s a plant with no addictives. what did you think the Indians only packed those peace pipes with tobacco? lol we shall see what November brings us until then..Don’t forget to thank God this 4/20 ;)

    • readyfred

      It is just sad that there wont be anything to vote on in November. Poor leadership from ORG will be the main reason for the failure. To many people with real illnesses like Cancer, M-S, M-D Aids and so on will be the ones paying the price. It is truly sickening that they chose to try and lead the country with a full legalization wording instead of wording laid out for medical use. I just hope after November that ORG packs their bags and leaves Ohio for good. They killed it in 2012… They killed it for 2014…So we don’t need them for 2016.

      • topofthemorningeverybody

        possibility..we shall see,either way..it doesn’t truly matter,one gets used to the ‘cat&mouse’ game. and in the long run…medical marijuana will and has helped a lot of the cancer, m-s, m-d&the aids patients too,so i don’t see how they are going to pay a price.it’ll benefit them too.

        • readyfred

          They pay the price by not having medical marijuana available. A cancer patient can’t wait till 2020 while people play “cat and mouse”.

          • topofthemorningeverybody

            they can have it if people stop taking marijuana so seriously and blow everything up about it.

  • Scott Nielsen

    The comments from Howie Katzz reek of bacon. I’ll finish reading the comments when I get back from Wendys.

    • Joe Smith

      Can you pick me up some fries while you are there?

    • A Freedom Fighter

      howie katz is a dimwit who suffers from insecurity and low self esteem poor guy!

  • A Freedom Fighter

    George Washington cultivated cannabis plants, as did presidents Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Pierce, and Taylor. Pharmaceutical companies including Bristol-Myers Squib and Eli Lilly used cannabis in medicines widely sold in U.S. pharmacies to treat insomnia, migraines headaches, pain, glaucoma, and rheumatism. Between 1840 and 1919, U.S. scientific journals published hundreds of articles touting the therapeutic benefits of cannabis. Medicinal and recreational cannabis was in wide use until the 1920s when reefer madness “marijuana” laws began. As for recent presidents, Bill Clinton famously claimed that he “didn’t inhale,” George W. Bush was recorded in 1998 admitting that he had used marijuana in his youth, and Barack Obama noted in his 1995 memoir that he had smoked marijuana.

    • Pablo Jones

      Medical journals back then also touted the benefits of cocaine. Later we had medical journals touting the benefits of LSD.

      The founding fathers grew hemp for rope, cloth, and other uses, but there is no documentation that they smoked it for recreational purposes.

      • Reagan

        Under current federal law cocaine is listed as a schedule 2 controlled substance. A schedule 2 substance according to the feds is one that has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. LSD is schedule1 which does not.

        • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

          His point had to do with how cultures praise drugs until they are found to be somewhat harmful. He was trying to show that analogy and how it links to cannabis today. Not some conspiracy theory garbage.

          • Reagan

            Whatever,

      • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

        Freedom fighter reminds me of Cliff Schaefer, a guy who runs a pro pot website disguised as a research hub, who claims history proves the government lied about drugs. Fighter spouts the same nonsense hoping nobody does actual research.

        Ever noticed how people who are neutral towards the pot debate tend to side with prohibition? Because having an unbiased perspective often makes you choose the side with actual facts.

        • Reagan

          You should take your own advice and do some actual research

          • http://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/ Howie Katzz

            I agree, everyone should research thoroughly. If people did that the legalization movement would grind to a halt.

          • Reagan

            So you agree that you should do some actual research. So when are you going to start?

          • Joe Smith

            Show us your research and convince us, everything I have seen says otherwise.

          • jz

            The research is that people have been smoking it for how many years now and what terrible societal ills has it fostered? Every single argument from gateway drug to carcinogens is exaggerrated and fear based. Do we need more studies on alcohol? Maybe make it illegal again and do some studies in the meantime. There are decisions that people make that some of you do not agree with. That should not translate to letting some people be legally drinking themselves to death while others merely want to enjoy their weed occasionally. If everything that had potential for abuse and harmful to health was illegal then many activities and other substances should also be made illegal and the bureaucratic nanny state could tell everyone how to live their lives.

          • Pablo Jones

            The amount of studies on alcohol dwarf those done on Marijuana. Most Marijuana studies openly admit the amount of data they have is limited because it is hard to have a large sample of people to study using an illegal drug.

        • jz

          Actually in my experience whenever I hear someone who says it does not matter to them if weed was legal or not [unbiased], they side with the pro legalization argument. Because unlike you, they don,t make a mountain out of a molehill and like many of us, live and let live. As long as you do not show up at work under the influence of anything , be a good parent and citizen who cares who smokes marijuana anymore than I care if you, your brain on Katzz, drinks alcohol.

  • jdlady

    What’s the moral of this story? If you don’t run red lights you may never be broadsided by a teenaged girl and never need to grow your own for purely medicinal purposes. Then mommy and daddy won’t have to spend all their time soliciting signatures to change the law so you can do some drawing between surfing, skateboarding and recreational smoking. In 361 comments, did anyone wonder what happened to the girl?

    • A Freedom Fighter

      the moral of the story is that cannabis prohibition it’s just pure stupidity. the girl who caused the accident as was/is not the focus of this article.

    • It has to stop

      Missed the part about him being the one that ran the red light.

    • faceseverywhere

      Where does it say he ran the red light? And who cares? Look it up if you are so concerned about something that has nothing to do with this discussion. Its not a moralizing story, its I formation posted for discussion. You are on a discussion site.

  • john legend

    hey howie katzz, please dont use that picture until holloween it creeps me out

  • Reagan
  • Jim

    The only real hope for Ohio is a all out 84 county month long petition drive. This would have to be lead by the leaders of ORG and not just the county captains. The lack of effort and appearances to each county by the leaders has killed any momentum we had. Also banning people form their face book page for calling them out on their deceptions is just BS. Another issue is refusing to come to a county for the fear of being arrested. Why ask people to do things they wont do themselves? ORG needs to lead with actions. If they can’t lead, they need to stay out of the way.

    • readyfred

      That would take effort and they would not have anyone to hide behind. ORG is just to lazy to do it the right way!

  • Paul McClancy

    The fact that some people will abuse a specific impairing substance does not lead to the logical conclusion that all impairing substances should be banned.

  • faceseverywhere

    Lets talk about proven facts, cannabis oil, while it does not CURE cancer, it kills the cells. Within 60 days my uncles melanoma sores were nothing but scars. His sores were so deep his bone was visible. But, he had to leave his family here in Ohio. I live in Toledo, there is more heroin here than anything. I could walk down the street and ask a random person where I can get heroin and they will pull out a bag, but if I ask about weed, they have no clue. As for children having more access to marijuana after legalization, I’m sorry but in high school for me everyone had it. Even more kids had access to their parents medicine cabinet. Being a gateway drug is a big joke. Never have I, nor any of my friends wanted to try other drugs because we were high. I sold oxycotons for moneys to buy a bag, never have I taken one. This is pitiful, people need to have an open mind. Opiates help with pain, but they also kill you and cause damage to your organs. The only damage marijuana has caused me was a sore throat from coughing and an upset belly from laughing. And I drive high all of the time. I’m the jerk going ten below the speed limit stopping six car lengths away from the car in front of me. I have chronic migraines and I smoke marijuana to take the pain away. I’m a mother of two, and I smoked through both pregnancies, with permission from my obgyn. I’m sorry, but would you rather your child smoke some weed, or take your painkillers? I know for a fact I’d rather have mine smoking a bowl with me. Weed has killed nobody, caused no birth defects, never made anyone kill people. My father used to get so drunk he’d beat my mom then me after I hit 6. Marijuana has never caused that. Stir that in your morning coffee. I’m all for decriminalization before legalization. Why legalize something if its still a criminal offence?

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  • http://www.denisegabbard.com/ Denise Gabbard

    Wish they would have linked to the petition that needs signed to get this on the ballot!

  • http://www.denisegabbard.com/ Denise Gabbard

    Anyplace in Summit County?