September 17, 2014

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Lorain man dead after standoff with police

Smashed windows are visible at 122 E.23rd Street in Lorain, where police say a man shot himself during a standoff at the house. BRUCE BISHOP/CHRONICLE

Smashed windows are visible at 122 E.23rd Street in Lorain, where police say a man shot himself during a standoff at the house. BRUCE BISHOP/CHRONICLE

LORAIN – After holding a few people hostage in their house Monday morning, a man released the people and shot himself, according to police.

Around 11:30 p.m. Sunday night, Torrey Hill, 35, of Lorain, knocked on the door of a woman who had a temporary protection order against him. She called for help, and the Lorain County Sheriff’s Department went to the woman’s house on the 300 block of East 41st Street in Sheffield Township, but found that Hill had left after knocking on the woman’s door and breaking her car window, according to a press release.

Hill had outstanding warrants out of Lorain Municipal Court for felonious assault, intimidation of a crime victim, domestic violence and violating a temporary protection order.

Shortly after the incident, around 12:30 a.m., Lorain police, along with deputies, responded to 122 East 23rd St. where they believed Hill was holding a few people hostage.

The people in the home told police Hill “would not be taken alive,” and had a firearm, according to a press release. The Lorain SWAT and Hostage Negotiations Team spoke with Hill and convinced him to release the people.

Torrey Hill

Torrey Hill

After they were released, police heard a possible gunshot from inside the house.

Police tried to call Hill for several hours after the incident before they went into the home, where they found Hill lying dead on the second floor.

Police wrote that the “gunshot wound proved to be fatal,” but Lorain County Coroner Dr. Stephen Evans said they are investigating the incident and cause of death.

The handgun was found near Hill’s body.

Contact Anna Merriman at 329-7245 or amerriman@chroniclet.com. Follow her on Twitter at @AnnaLMerriman.


  • Publius

    Great work, Lorain PD!

  • tommtomm

    this guy is a real piece of work, he was involved in a stabbing a few years ago at a bar i did security at. this is probably the same woman. she had him locked up and he came back for her.

  • Koree Michael

    R.I.P torrey hill. Those who judge this man forget they too will have to stand before god and face the ultimate judgement

    • Michael Thomas

      Sorry your homeboy was a piece of garbage. Ive read your other posts also and its a shame you blame everything on the man. Im sorry the man mispelled half of your words wrong also.

      • Koree Michael

        I wont be responding to any racist white supremacists on this one. NICE to hear i have fans tho.

        • Jeff

          Lol…now you have no words…lmfao

          • Koree Michael

            Jeff…i said im not responding to any racist white surpemacists…thats includes you…get a life

          • Otter

            No you said you said you “won’t be responding to any racist white supremacists” Then, you did…..and by the way, you are just as racist as anyone here, possibly more.

          • Otter

            I see you have learned to edit, now it’s I, not i , and I’m, not im.

    • Jeff

      Really……….YOUR GONNA BRING GOD INTO THIS……?????

      WAKE UP !!! He was a piece of trash.Oh, and if you do believe in god ( which i don’t believe you do…)..Then he is SOOOO SCREWED !!!

      • John Demirjian

        Welcome to Judgment Day. Mr. Hill forced God’s hand on this one.

    • tommtomm

      and you will have to stand before god when he asks you why you sold drugs, why you did drugs, why you probably had a hand in robbing people with torry.

    • John Demirjian

      He’s still an oxygen thief in my book, come Judgment Day.

    • John Demirjian

      Judgment Day comes for all of us, Koree. Are you saved yet?

  • John Davidson

    One more down and a whole lot to go.

    • Jeff

      Amen

      • John Demirjian

        Amen, here, too.

  • MR

    I am so sorry to learn of Tory’s death. Let’s not be mean or judge, it is obvious he had inner struggles.

    • Jeff

      NOT ANY MORE…..

      • DonMega

        That’s true

    • tommtomm

      inner struggles with what? authority, inner struggles, lmao.

    • John Demirjian

      Mr. Hill pushed the boundaries of Judgment Day to be immediate. Thou shalt not kill, even thyself. I wonder what Eternity in the Lake of Fire is really like. No fun, I can imagine.

  • Otter

    At least he had the decency to take the coward’s way out.

    • John Demirjian

      Yep, Mr. Hill was a coward who took the coward’s way out, bringing on Judgment Day so quickly…

  • Melanie Morales

    Some of you individuals are sick sick people. To call someone a piece of garbage?… One down and a whole lot to go? Do you personally know Torrey outside of what you read or hear in the streets? I really don’t think so. Someone lost a son, his children lost their father. Stop judging people and stop making ignorant comments. Such a sickening and stigmatizing society we live in.

    • Koree Michael

      Those judgemental cowards will have to answer to god for what they have done in the dark as well.

      • Jeff

        God again ??? Dude…STOP WITH THE GOD !!

        • brenda

          Why? Why stop with God? If it had not been for God where would you be today? God enables us all a to be a to make our own decisions and choices in life, Torrey made some bad decisions but what gives anyone the right to judge him. Unless you are God.

          • WTFnext

            Maybe God will enable you to find the spell and grammar check buttons next time before you post.

          • golfingirl

            Because he speaks of God when it is convenient for him.

            What about forgiveness for something that happened generations ago?

            I am sure God would approve of that.

        • John Demirjian

          Why stop with God? Mr. Hill challenged the commandment that thou shalt not kill. But he’s one dead son-of-a-gun and was he ready for his Judgment Day. Who knows? May God have mercy on his soul.

      • tommtomm

        yeah home boy and god will judge you for selling drugs, robbing people, too bad you werent in that house with him fighting for your like, you wouldnt be running your mouth. hey lets preach about god and go to church, but the night before you got high and robbed someone. LOSERS!

    • 2much2nv

      Felonious assault charges, multiple domestic violence charges, numerous weapons violations, trafficking in cocaine, aggravated burglary, aggravated robbery, assault, multiple violations of a restraining order and the list just keeps on going. How good was it for his children to see him beating up on their mom? How much child support did this wonderful guy pay? I don’t understand how anyone could defend what this guy was doing. You have your nerves calling anyone sick. He was sick and you are sick for defending him.

      • Bob

        Oh now you did it. Because you pointed out the truth about this guy, you are now a racist. Well according to Koree you are. But I am going to assume by Koree’s account, every white man is a racist.

        • golfingirl

          He was the one awhile back that blames all the Black man’s problems on the fact their great-grandparents were slaves.

          His motive was uncovered back then. He wants reparations for his time his ancestors, whom he never even met, were slaves. He really doesn’t care about his race, he simply wants to cash in on the opportunity.

          He said so himself!

          • Koree Michael

            Ta-Nehisi Coates

            Go watch his youtube videos maybe you will understand then how ignorant you all sound.

      • tommtomm

        you will love the post i post today when he tried to kill another woman a few years ago. check it out.

    • golfingirl

      Yes, some “individuals are sick sick people.”

      “Sick and sick” of criminals ruining neighborhoods, carrying weapons and endangering law-abiding citizens, including children.

      “Sick and sick”of living in the fear these people create.

      “Sick and sick” of wasting taxpayer dollars on legal proceedings and incarceration, over and over again on the same persons.

      “Sick and sick” of the loss in property values because felons roam the streets at will.

      Yes, many are “sick and sick,” and “tired and tired” of all this.

      The end was very predictable for this man, based on his long criminal history, which he alone created.

      Now, you speak out? If you knew Torrey, as you asked above, then where were you when all this was happening? Why did you not step in and “save” him?

      Yes, people are “sick and sick” of the chaos these type of people are causing….Black, White, Hispanic or Purple.

      So if you knew Torrey, tell us what a wonderful person he really was.

      Ready, set, go……..let’s hear it!

      • Otter

        It’s not his fault, his great grandparents were probably slaves.

        • Koree Michael

          You makin fun of the slaves that were tortured into building this country. Do you realize that this country was founded on white supremacy? Do you realize the opression african americans endure even today? Do you realize the up until about 50 years ago blacks were not even allowed to take out housing loans, go to decent schools, and because of that we were forced into ghetto run down neighborhoods and jim crow laws were still around? O i forgot u dont care because your no better than hitler

          • Starryeyes63

            Yet you keep voting democrat………..

          • Koree Michael

            I never voted a day in my life never will..What am i voting for?? The sytematic poverty?

          • Otter

            Thought you weren’t going to respond to racist white supremacists, Guess that makes you a big old liar. You just come here and spew the same old crap.
            And no I wasn’t making fun of the slaves, that was meant for you…because you think the world owes you, for what happened 200 years ago, guess what it don’t.

          • HankKwah

            Angry much? Keep in mind that it was BLACK people, AFRICANS that captured, transported AND sold other black people to plantation owners in the southern US. Folks that LIVED IN THE NORTH thought slavery was WRONG, and MOST OF US THAT ARE HERE NOW our ancestors didn’t come to this country until the EARLY 1900′s. So watch who you throw that racist BS at, because you’ve got a lot of the wrong folks in your crosshairs.

          • Koree Michael

            So black people got on boats from africa and sold themselves into slavery and poverty…your an idiot…maybe 2 percent of africans sold their own but what about the other 98 percent??

          • HankKwah

            “You’re”. Look up your history. BLACK PEOPLE SOLD BLACK PEOPLE INTO SLAVERY. I know it flies in the face of what YOU WANT to believe, but it is fact.

          • golfingirl

            Give it up….he is quite ignorant when it comes to the facts.

            We have heard all his garbage in a recent similar story.

            He is out for reparations…..period. Wants to profit off his ancestor’s misery.

            He could really care less about history, as long as he gets his share.

          • Koree Michael

            If it was true that africans sold 10s of millions of slaves then africa would be the richest nation in the world not the United States…idiot

          • HankKwah

            Wow. Name-calling. And you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • golfingirl

            Have to love when people use improper grammar, poor spelling, punctuation and capitalization…then call you the “idiot”…….very funny!

          • HankKwah

            I cracked up, too. Took everything I had not to fire back. I looked back over his posting history. Very telling. If you want to waste some time, take a look. Check out his posts on the Hip Hop site he likes.

          • Otter

            I saw that. Personally, I’m just having fun messing with him.
            He can’t comprehend that if a white guy did the same thing, we (for the most part) would have the same reaction.

          • Koree Michael

            Many numbers were not recorded. Untold numbers of enslaved people died without ever reaching the Americas. They died at the hands of the African traders who took them from their homes in ‘slave raids’ in Africa. They also died on the forced march from their homes to the coast. People died awaiting sale in buildings, called slave forts, on the coast. Many died on board the ships that took them across the Atlantic Ocean, from Africa to the Americas. There are virtually no records for these aspects of the slave trade. It is possible that as many people died in Africa as were taken out of the country (estimated at between 9 and 11 million).The lowest number for the total loss through the transatlantic slave trade could be about 20 million people. 

          • HankKwah

            Interesting. NOW you’re going to do some homework?? I’m “honored” that I warranted THREE replies from you. Did you just keep thinkin’ of stuff?

          • HankKwah

            http://hnn.us/article/41431

            http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223655/k.90ED/West_Africans_to_AfricanAmericans_We_Apologize_for_Slavery.htm

            Check those out. And ask yourself this: If you’re going to blame all of us here for things other whites did to slaves, your friends, whomever, then it should be ok if we blame YOU for all the blacks that have played the “knockout game” on white people, blame you for the murders committed by Anthony Sowell… Should I go on?

          • golfingirl

            And now that they have all the same rights as whites, what have people like Torrey done with it?

            YOU bring race into every argument. Makes one wonder who the real racist is here.

            Barack Obama, Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, Eric Holder…..the list goes on and on.

            I bet they got ahead because they never blamed the past, but seized the present and future.

            Get over it!

          • Koree Michael

            400 years of slavery and opression compared to 10 or 20 years with black people in a predominantly white political office. Wooooow… and u have the nerve fix yo face to call me racist..who have i enslaved ? Who have I lynched? Since when did i hate another race ? Never all men were created equal

          • Starryeyes63

            Jews spent thousands of years in slavery you don’t hear them whining.

          • Otter

            And 6 million, out of a population of 9 million were killed….still no whining, or asking for hand outs.

          • golfingirl

            Fact is, like it or not, is that Blacks did sell other Blacks. So how can you hold Whites solely responsible for a crime in which Blacks participated.

            When Britain passed anti-slavery legislation, Britain had effectively ended these Black slave sellers livelihood. There were even delegations sent to London by African chiefs to protest about the abolition of the slave trade. They were outraged that slavery was on the verge of extinction, even insisting that priests had told them that their god totally agreed with slavery.

            African kings would gladly sell their own subjects. 
This explains why slavery became “Black.” They freely gave their people up for profit.

            Maybe your African ancestors should apologize for the role your ancestors played in the slave trade and ask forgiveness of yourself and your Black brothers and sisters for what they did.

            If you want to be angry about something that happened so long ago, direct your anger at all responsible, not just Whites.

            And stop defending criminals, regardless of their color.

          • Koree Michael

            Even if a small amount of blacks did sell slaves, white supremacists created the demand for slaves they were buying slaves separating them from their families and beating them to a bloody pulp if they did not work as hard as they wanted them too. More then 2 million slaves died before they even arrived to America. Thats 2 million souls. 20 million slaves were affected by this demand for slavery. Thats 20 million souls. And im suppose to get over 20 million tortured souls of my ancestors??? Easy for you to say but if it were the other way around and we enslaved 20 million white supremacists, then and only then would i give a D A M N what you think of me

          • Smira29595

            call a whaaaaaaambulace boo hoo poor me

          • golfingirl

            “u have the nerve fix yo face to call me racist..”

            I have no idea what in the world are you trying to say?

            “who have i enslaved ?”…..and who have I enslaved? I don’t remember the last time I “lynched” anyone either.

            You really need to grow up and move on with your life. As long as you use slavery as an excuse for anything, you will never move forward.

            Throw off the past and get on with your life.

            You are keeping yourself in “slavery,” by refusing to live in the present.

          • Otter

            He got confused, thought he was on the World Star Hip Hop page…

          • Stan K

            I was not even born in this country,My family immigrated from Europe.We have never owned slaves,nor would we have a desire to.But,to lump me in with the white trash that lives in this country is wrong, I think you are just another example of wasted black youth.Grow some balls ,be a man,make a life for yourself..

          • Koree Michael

            I didnt say anything about you stan unless you too are a white supremacist then i have nothing against you. But your not from this country so butt out of the conversation. Your great grandparents werent slaves and were not lynched and beaten into doing harsh labor and you dont suffer the same o
            ppression stemming from slavery. They treated us as animals literally and we had to fight literally for the little freedom we do have and today we are still discrimnated against in the workplace, housing, while we shop etc i can go on and on.. White supremacy is what built
            this country. The thought that whites are superior to blacks in every way is what built this country. My grandparents had to endure severe beatings and treatment of inequality too fight for the little rights we as african americans have today.

          • Bob

            fight for the little rights we as African Americans have today.”

            Now I know you are out of your mind. You just as many rights as I do as a white Irish/Scottish male.

            Oh wait, you have more. Because I can’t get college funding from the United Nergo College Fund. Because I am white. But you as a Black man can get ANY college scholarship any white man can get. But a white man can’t get ANYTHING from U.N.C.F.. But you have less rights??

            Please explain how YOU are suffering. Not your great great great great grandparents or anyone before. YOU how are YOU suffering??????????????????

          • golfingirl

            Can you imagine forming an organization called the National Association for the Advancement of White People? The NAAWP, in order to provide services similar to the NAACP.

            Would this be considered racist? I would think so.

          • Koree Michael

            Are you kidding me..with the slavery, Jim Crow laws, and the fact that blacks were not allowed housing loans the NAAWP you speak of has been going on for 400 years

          • Smira29595

            Too bad the NAACP was created by white supremist huh???

          • golfingirl

            Blacks can get housing loans….assuming they have the money to pay for it.

            What’s the matter, get turned down for one?

            Your argument is ridiculous!

          • golfingirl

            Please learn to spell.

          • Bob

            He could benefit from a scholarship from the United Nergo College Fund.

            But he is to busy on here complaining about the white devil and things that ended over 170 years ago.

          • WTFnext

            Haha. So true. I was excited at first when he said he wasn’t going to respond. Why couldn’t he keep that promise?

          • golfingirl

            “I didnt say anything about you stan unless you too are a white supremacist then i have nothing against you.”

            So you have nothing against white supremacists? I am really confused now.

            I thought you hated white supremacists?

          • Bill Love

            Little rights you have the same rights as any white man

          • Sis Delish

            But, they obviously still had time and energy to make babies….

          • Otter

            So far 8 responses since declaring you wouldn’t respond to white racist etc. etc. etc.

          • Otter

            It’s called moving forward, you should try it. Be part of the solution, instead of the problem.

          • stillsleepyeyes

            do you realize there are Indians still on reservations………..and they where here first………….

          • Koree Michael

            You do realize my fathers grandmother was full blooded Cherokee Indian right. Which makes me part Native American.. Double Jeopardy.. They screwed over all my ancestors

          • stillsleepyeyes

            So I heard…………. I just don’t understand why you think you should be paid……………….

          • Koree Michael

            And i dont understand why slaves were the number one valued capitol in America. Go watch Ta-Nehisi Coates on youtube and let him explain it to you he’s a college professor/famous writer much more educated than myself.

          • stillsleepyeyes

            He is going to explain to me why you should be paid for something that happened over a 100 years ago???

          • golfingirl

            Everyone is more educated than yourself, when it comes to this topic.

          • golfingirl

            Just another entitlement. Fact is, he probably has already been paid…..many, many times.

          • Smira29595

            And you haven’t claim your mineral right the Choctaw Nation won. Not very smart Indian either.

          • golfingirl

            And so was my mother’s uncle’s cousin on her sister’s side.

            Fact is, whether you believe in Creation, or evolution, we all came from the same person, or single celled organism, take your pick.

            Therefore, we all had ancestors who were slaves and Indians.

            So where do I pick up my check for reparations?

          • tommtomm

            bro, everyone has had better opportunities the last 50yrs, they dont want to take it. instead they want to be the next thug, the next 2 pac, etc. you make no sense at all. no one said it was race, they said the guy robbed people, attempted to kill people. u so funnnny. maybe blacks should get out of the ghetto stop robbing white people and try and better themselves.

    • tommtomm

      let me guess your one of his 10 baby mommas, that i bust my a… at work everyday to pay for him, you and the kid. whats sick is how certain ethnic people feel the need to destroy neighborhoods, feel the need to take from people that work, feel the need to harm people, thats sick

  • Jeff

    Nice…ya hear a shot and wait a few hours………Make sure he’s dead.. Nice work!!! No parole for him.

    • Otter

      I think I smell a lawsuit, wait for it…….

      • Bob

        A lawsuit?? The coroner said it was a fatal shot. Sounds to me like it doesn’t matter how low they wait. They could have gone in there a minute or hours afterwards. He still would have been dead.

        • Otter

          No the police said it was a fatal shot, the coroner is investigating the incident, and cause of death. I’m just guessing, there will be lawyer, who will file a “wrongful death” lawsuit….on behalf of the family, of course…….

          • Bob

            You are right. I read that wrong. But I am willing to bet he shot himself in the head. So pretty much I stand by what I said in my last reply. Minutes or hours he still would have been dead.

          • Otter

            Probably did shoot himself in the head, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some sleaze bag attorney tries to cash in on it.

  • golfingirl

    Koree,

    So exactly how does this affect you today?

    Your clinging to the past has made you nothing more than a modern day “slave.”

    Chained to history and lynched by your own anger and refusal to move forward with your life.

    Slavery has occurred in virtually every civilization in the history of this planet. In Classical Athens, as many as four-fifths the population were slaves. As the Roman Empire expanded, entire populations were enslaved. . Greeks, Berbers, Germans, Britons, Gauls, Jews, Arabs, and many more were slaves used not only for labor, but also for amusement, (gladiators and harems)

    Slavery has always been horrible, people should never be treated as property to be bought and sold.

    The reality is, we likely all had ancestors who were slaves; white, black and yellow. Or does it only count if it occurred 170 years ago?

    A career criminal kills himself while committing yet another crime, and because he is black, somehow slavery played a role in this?

    I really do not understand your point. So exactly what is?

    • Jeff

      well said….

    • Koree Michael

      I know it’s shameful to acknowledge how 250 years of slavery, 90 years of Jim crow laws and continued unequal treatment by corporate America has systematically oppressed African Americans, it’s not my opinion it’s a fact. The current times are what this horrible treatment of African Americans has led to. Just like 2 + 2 is 4. Its easy for you to get on here find comfort in the fact that other supremacists are agreeing with you, its helps you feel better about your own ignorance and lack of empathy. This is a universal defense mechanism that helps you find peace in ignoring the truth and judging blacks without a including any factual substance into your argument. What im relaying is what my history teachers taught me, and they too were white but they are not in denial of how the past has determined the present.

      • Starryeyes63

        YAWN…… excuse excuse

  • Chan

    It’s always sad when someone dies tragically, however he took his own life which according to the bible he is going to hell. Yesterday the Morning Journal that he had beat his “woman” pretty bad which indicates to me that was a coward in every since of the word. It always amazes me when others try to defend someone who basically was a scumbag – birds of a feather flock together! I just wonder would their sentiments be the same had this been their sister or daughter.
    Lastly this is directed to Koree….my brother, African Americans and Blacks are two different groups. The Afrikans are who sold their “people” to the white man.

    • Koree Michael

      Ta-Nehisi Coates
      Go watch his youtuve video and maybe you see how ignorant you sound.

      • Chan

        Sorry but my name is Chantel –>Chan…why would I watch a video? I read books and study my history and my ancestors…have you ever asked yourself why is it when Nelson Mandela spoke at the U.N. meeting in NYC that he said he came for “his people” meaning the Afrikans not the Blacks? By the way if you were as deep as you claim to be you wouldn’t have a picture on social media “my brotha”, but sense it is I don’t recall seeing you at this years Juneteenth celebration.

  • tommtomm

    LORAIN — A Lorain man surrendered to police after assaulting a woman multiple times and stealing her home and car keys yesterday, according to a Lorain police report.

    Torrey Hill, 37, visited the West 17th Street woman, with whom he has a child, and started yelling at her. Hill was upset at the woman because she had told police about things he has done in the past, according to the report.

    Hill then stole her keys as she tried to lead him outside so she could yell for help. Hill also took out a knife and threw it at the woman, cutting her right calf, according to the report.

    He repeatedly hit her in the head before she managed to escape and tried to lead him to Biggy’s Pub, 1757 Oberlin Ave., so that she could call police, the report stated. He then threw rocks at her, hitting her twice, according to the report.

    The woman was able to alert a security guard to Hill, and Hill ran back to the woman’s home, according to the report.

    Hill was hiding in the basement and came up when police told him they had a canine with them, according to the report.

    Hill was taken to Lorain City Jail and charged with felonious assault, aggravated robbery, domestic violence, violation of a temporary protection order, intimidation by force or threats and theft.

    • tommtomm

      this guys is a piece of garbage, a thug, and violent person!
      yep god will judge us, and everyone knows him how sweet he was, haha.
      god will judge you too home boyz, drug dealing, worthless pieces of life, wish your mom would have kept her legs closed.

      • Koree Michael

        Becuse im black i deal drugs, get high and rob people??? You sound like the racist white supremacist of the day. FYI I HAVE A DEGREE IN PSYCHOLOGY AND NEVER SOLD DRUGS OR ROBBED ANYONE. Dont you have a KKK rally to be at?

        • Stan K

          as bad as you spell and construct senteneces,I highly doubt you possess an education higher than middle school.I am a foreigner who was not even educated or born here and my grammer is not perfect,but it puts yours to shame.The only degree you have acheived is stupidity.

          • Koree Michael

            As stupid as your argument sounds i thought i would use commensurate grammar to make things even. 2 i wouldnt waste correct grammar on a pathetic racist like you anyway. 3 im on a cell phone

          • Smira29595

            can’t afford a computer?

          • golfingirl

            No Obamaputers out there yet?

            Would be if he was running for re-election. Might need the votes.

          • SpaceTech

            LoL Obamaputers!

          • golfingirl

            Obamaphone?

          • Smira29595

            For someone witha “degree” should have a job, but has a lot of time to post on CT

          • S.Dobbs

            Koree please stop going back and forth with them. There is no use. People will believe what they want except the truth. Don’t waste anymore time with non-sense. You can educate but don’t allow anyone to dummy you down to their level. They’re seeing from a turtle level of view, you must remain seeing from the giraffe level. Remember if you continue to look that low you will pass out because your not made to have your head on such a low level.

          • Stan K

            I think Koree is past dumming himself down,he has clearly acheived village idiot status with his posts.I don’t think anything can bring him back from this debacle.

          • Otter

            I was thinking he would have to dummy him self up…

          • golfingirl

            “People will believe what they want except the truth.”

            The “truth” is this man was a lifelong criminal, ruined other’s lives and killed himself.

            The “myth” is that slavery caused all this. That is what Koree is preaching.

            You want the truth? Then accept it when it does not fit into your little agenda.

          • S.Dobbs

            Grow up. I see you like to argue. No one mentioned clouds and this giraffe spot thing also is childish with no significance. Just keep judging others. I won’t let such small minds have any more time in my life. God bless you Golfingirl educate yourself on the real truth.

          • Chan

            Please enlighten us on the truth if the convictions he has and what he has been accused of doing is inaccurate?

          • S.Dobbs

            I don’t know his convictions. My comments are not about the young man that killed himself. I’m speaking on the ignorance of hate and racism and it’s untruth but actually Chan I’m done talking because ignorance is a choice and obviously many choose it. Have a wonderful life and make it useful.

          • Otter

            No spell check, then you proof read before you post.

          • Otter

            During his last rant, a few months ago, he said “i am a graduate of psychology” at least he has learned to tell better lies.

          • golfingirl

            GED

        • golfingirl

          Are you really as dumb as you sound?

          Your grammar and writing is atrocious.

          I know, since your great grandaddy was a slave, it is the White mans’ fault that you were not properly educated.

          Why do you have to bring race into every discussion?

          Is it beyond your level of comprehension to simply understand most people are fed up with crime and criminals?

          Read other posts. Whites and Hispanics are criticized equally when they destroy neighborhoods due to their criminal behaviors. If there is a disproportionate number of Blacks who commit these crimes in these stories, leading to more negative comments against Blacks, so be it. They brought it upon themselves, through simple math.

          As a female,I am personally offended when you use the term “Ho’s.” To me, this a as bad as any racist remark a man can make.

          You obviously have no respect for women, so why should any women have any respect for you!

          • S.Dobbs

            The Willie Lynch Letter explains it all. Once you have been mentally stripped from basic general knowledge and from who you are, your lost and that mentality is passed on from generation to generation BECAUSE YOU KNOW NOTHING ELSE. People are so quick to say get over it as if it is that easy. Does someone get over the abuse they suffered just because they left the abuser? No there is a healing process that needs to take place, if they even know where to begin. All that happened to him/her is still within and may never fully be healed. The bottom line is someone died, someone lost and someone is mourining. He without sin please cast the first stone!

          • Smira29595

            You get over it slavery did not happen to you. or your parents or even grandparents………

          • S.Dobbs

            Prime example of where the ignorance lye. It doesn’t have to happen to me for me to be affected by it. If your child gets raped will you not be affected? It will always have some type of affect mentally if nothing else.

          • Smira29595

            Being Jewish my people were enslaved far longer than yours. THIS IS NOT YOUR CHILD this is 150+ years ago.

          • Otter

            The answer to your question, yes…..but not if it happened to my (at least) great grandparents, I believe they would not want me to live in the past, but build a better future. (and it’s lie, lye is used to make soap)

          • S.Dobbs

            Sweetie i’m not into tearing you apart about every error you make/type. My mind is on something deeper than how well you use your words or keyboard so on that note Otter I’m done speaking with you. Have a great now and forever.

          • SpaceTech

            “lye” Really?

        • Smira29595

          If a Degree in Psychology why not reach out & help your “good friend”…. Not much of a friend are you???

          • Bob

            You can’t fix stupid or cowardness.

        • Otter

          You said you weren’t going to respond to white supremacists, 24hours, and 16 posts ago. Maybe you should ask your teacher what that says about you…and maybe they could help you with that big old chip you have on your shoulder.

        • michelle

          Did you obtain your degree from the back of a pack of matches?

          • Koree Michael

            That was a lame comeback…. I know its shameful to acknowledge how 250 years of slavery, 90 years of Jim crow laws and continued unequal treatment by corporate America has systematically oppressed African Americans, it’s not my opinion it’s a fact. The current times are what this horrible treatment of African Americans has led to. Just like 2 + 2 is 4. Its easy for you to get on here find comfort in the fact that other supremacists are agreeing with you, its helps you feel better about your own ignorance and lack of empathy. This is a universal defense mechanism that helps you find peace in ignoring the truth and judging blacks without a including any factual substance into your argument. What im relaying is what my history teachers taught me, and they too were white but they are not in denial of how the past has determined the present.

          • Starryeyes63

            YAWN

          • Otter

            I believe his non answer means yes…oddly he gave the very same answer to golfingirl, on an earlier post.

  • golfingirl

    Koree,

    Slavery ended in 1865, segregation and Jim Crow laws ended in 1964, and although the KKK is still around, it’s a running joke. If you’re 48 years old or younger, you’ve always lived in a country where whites are the only race the government can legally discriminate against via affirmative action and racial set asides.

    Today, racial discrimination still exist, against people whose only crime is being born the wrong skin color, but that skin color is white, not black.

    Most Americans abhor racism. They don’t like being falsely accused of being one, or when someone uses it as a lame excuse for poor performance, or criminal activity, as you continually do.

    So, if you’re wondering why no one cares when you cry racism, then maybe the problem isn’t racism, maybe it’s just you.

    • Bob

      racial discrimination still exist

      Right because that is the only leg he has to stand on. He has nothing else apparently.

      • golfingirl

        Some use racial discrimination as a crutch, he uses it as a wheelchair!

    • S.Dobbs

      It doesn’t matter when it ended. It still has an affect like a divorce, a rape, physical abuse, molestation, abandomentand mental abuse etc.. The mental part of it last on and on. You can’t get over that especially when it’s still being shown daily. Yes you can rise above it and make better decisions but be forreal with yourself, hate will continue to be taught for generations as well as racism. As far as black selling blacks, it was started and taught by whites like everything else you taught blacks back then was to keep their race at a minimum and that mentality still exist thanks to people like Willie Lynch, read that and maybe just maybe you’ll have a better understanding.

      • Smira29595

        Alan West got over it.

      • Bob

        Both the Irish and Blacks had reason to feel they were treated unfairly in the workforce, and often at one another’s expense. In the antebellum South, for instance, where slaveholders viewed slaves as valuable property, Blacks were prohibited from participating in hazardous, life-threatening work. Thus, many of the most dangerous jobs were left to the Irish who did not have such protection (or limitation). Thousands of Irish lives were lost in the building of the nation’s canal and railroad systems.

        And you know what as an Irish person. I am over it. Why BECAUSE IT IS THE PAST. I have learned about it but I do not dwell on it. I move on.

        The funny thing is. When my kids are old enough for college. Guess who is going to have to pay for them??? Yep me. WHY because there is not UNCF (Uited Nergo College Fund) for white people. I just hope my kids can get a scholarship. You know one of the same scholarships and black kid can. But my kids, since they are white can’t get assistants from the UNCF.

        • S.Dobbs

          Bob I feelyou on the UNCF, but remember by the time whites had already ran 5 laps of life blacks were just then allowed to start running. Whites were already ahead of the game that’s why UNCF and other programs exist because at one time blacks had nothing offered to them. You can’t be mad at that.

    • Smira29595

      Aother wheel-chair

  • ShAe

    R . I . P Torrey Hill !

  • Guest

    I see that the same people have responded over the last two days… I guess you all have know real jobs. Let the man R.I.P and respect his family if nothing else. You all need to live your own lives!

    • Smira29595

      No I’m retired, I worked for my days off.

      • Guest

        Well find a positive hobby or something!

        • Smira29595

          Well since I am carinng for a husband that had a stroke, ad the computer is our hobby.

          • S.Dobbs

            That explains it.

          • Smira29595

            Explains what That I was able to work and retire early???? That I don’t abandon my responsabilities, The WE do it on our own and don’t depend on daddy guvment?????

          • S.Dobbs

            Take a reading and spelling class, do that on your own. I’m sure you get guvment assistance the way you spell and speak. Run along now your husband is ringing the cow bell for you.

          • Starryeyes63

            maybe it was typed that way so YOU could understand it.

          • Smira29595

            NO I EARNED MY WAY what have you done????

    • Otter

      Why do you think you no we have know real jobs? Why did you take the time to read it, and bother to join in.

      • Guest

        Learn to spell first!

        • Otter

          Now that’s funny, from someone who said “I guess you all have know real jobs” Okay you spelled it right, But you used it wrong. Know means to possess knowledge, be aware of something, as in I know. No, is a negative, opposite of yes, or zero quantity, as in I have no real job.

    • Starryeyes63

      and you correct others…………

      • Otter

        Know………..

        • Smira29595

          when all else fails they go after personal attacks & spelling………………

  • Guest

    “No” is stating the negative, my comment was not intended to be negative or to speak in a matter of fact. Unlike others I have enough respect for his family to not sit on the internet and speak negative about someone else’s life, someone I don’t even know! Get over yourself already!

    • Otter

      No also means zero quantity, as in no job, none, zero, zip, nada. Know means to have knowledge of, to be aware of something. So you were saying we are aware of jobs? Okay,

  • opinion

    Every comment on here is quite ridiculous. The children of this HUMAN BEING will no longer have a father, a mother lost a CHILD… and the only thing you NEGATIVE NANCY’S can do is bring up what you’ve pulled up on the municipal courts web site. Rather he has done right or wrong in his life, rather he is black or white just remember someone somewhere is grieving over a lost loved one. This is what’s wrong with society today, everyone is soooo judgmental and hateful. Judgment day is a GUARANTEED DAY. Why not just wait until the only man that’s in the rightful position to judge , JUDGE?? This world would be way more stronger if everyone would stop being so damn hateful, ignorant, and racist.

    • Guest

      Enough said….someone else with respect and sympathy for his loved ones.

    • michelle

      His children lost a father? You mean a sperm donor, don’t you?

      • opinion

        No I mean FATHER. A FATHER is the CREATOR of LIFE, rather he donated his sperm or not he still was the FATHER of his CHILDREN ( CHILD ).

  • John Demirjian

    From the looks of the photo provided we have another oxygen thief who bit the dust. Not really that big of a loss as far as I see it. But then again that makes me a racist. Too bad, but that’s my opinion.

    • opinion

      No your not a racist, your IGNORANT!!! You have NO REAGARDS for another HUMAN BEINGS LIFE. Did this man do something personal to any of you? Did he literally make you IGNORANT INDIVIDUALS HATE HIM FOR TAKING HIS OWN LIFE???? I do not know this young man from a can of worms and I am damn sure either one of you HATEFUL, DISTASTEFUL ,UNHOLY COWARDS do either. I can tell from each and everyone of your comments NONE OF YOU “TAX PAYERS” was raised with RESPECT OR SYMPATHY. Which is quite sad since imma WHITE, WEALTHY, TAX PAYING, FULL TIME EMPLOYEE, REPUBLICAN and I was raised by parents who taught me to REPSPECT EVERYONE, but the ignorance and hatefulness is beyond my RESPECT!!!! Honestly I see more WHITE MEN everyday at human services trying to get ASSISTANCE because they are unable to find a job because they have felonies which include, but not limited to: drug trafficking, robbery, attempted murder, felonious assault, rape and kidnappings. Now if these men were to kill themselves would you over opiniated disrespectful hateful ignorant people speak so evil. ? No, no you wouldn’t, you wouldn’t even comment at all. You would keep scrolling and PRAY that no one comments, because in reality we are all just alike. No ones perfect and everyone is dealing with their one demons. So before anyone post any other comments why don’t you all focus on your own life and your own problems and think about how many realitves or friends you have that’s in jail or on drugs or that’s selling drugs or that’s a white collar criminal and call or text them your “opinion”.

      • John Demirjian

        Sorry, partner, but we don’t have to like everyone in the world. I stand behind the statistic that 12% of our population (Blacks) are responsible for 50% of all crime. So if some fool wants to take his life, then we’ve gotten rid of one more oxygen thief in my viewpoint. Ignorant, Not. Racist, Not. Just the facts, boss.

        • opinion

          First and foremost I NEVER said LIKE I said REPSECT, partner. I’m not saying RESPECT his decisions , what I’m CLEARLY saying is have some type of RESPECT FOR HIS GRIEVING LOVED ONES and not post dumb comments. Clearly you were not raised with RESPECT, so I can see why you don’t UNDERSTAND the MEANING of the word R.E.S.P.E.C.T. I would get into percentages of your nationality, by the way is also my nationality as well, but I would then be as just as IGNORANT as you and the way my character is set up I won’t feed into your hatefulness, BOSS. Just a little reminder we all know the truth, we all know who COMMITS 75% is the crime in the world. We all know who gets away with it and we all know who doesn’t. Coming from myself a WHITE MALE married to a WHITE WOMAN with TWO WHITE SONS. So please stop trying to lay your cards and BOSS up BOSS, and while your at it lay down some real FACTS. Now that’s my “opinion” my “facts” “partner.

          • John Demirjian

            Whatever floats your boat.

  • givemeabreak1234

    what took them several hours after they heard the gunshot to go in? did they want to make sure he bled out? just wondering

  • http://www.google.com/image/pugs Monique

    This is terribly sad all around. I think what’s worse is that everyone is talking about not judging this man that has done terrible things to his community, his children and the mother of his children. I hope his children and their mother are getting the support they need. Not by way of money, but counseling so they don’t have to become a sad statistic. They are the real victims.

  • DonMega

    Look at the stuff he did-He’s a retard.

  • golfingirl

    They are all “Uncle Toms.” How dare they betray their own race and become successful.

    I bet they are really “white” inside.

    Obama is half white, only his black half counts, at least during election time.

  • S.Dobbs

    The fact that you disrespect the president the way you have says alot. I dismiss you like I have the others that is using this platform to be rude and obnoxious. He didn’t get over it, he just deals with it different by becoming president! I’m done speaking with you as well Smira, no time for people who can’t hold a conversation without being childish. Have a great now and forever.

  • Smira29595

    well except Obammy, he be the real deal, down for the struggle.

  • S.Dobbs

    Sure I will answer. First I never used suffering and I am speaking for myself. I’m not sure if you have ever read the Willie Lynch Letter but it explains how blacks were taught to hate one another by comparing hair texture, skin complexion, age. They were taught to make a difference within each other based on who could come in the masters house or eat at the table etc.. So my point is that mentality still exist between the black race which stimmed from the white race. It exist because it is continually being passed down in the black community. As the black community continues to see racist acts being committed that is the first thing their going to refer it to, the begining where it all came from. Yes slavery ended physically but not mentally for some people so they passed on the mental slavery to their off springs. One of the things in the Willie Lynch letter was ” We will teach them (blacks) to raise their boy children physically strong but mentally weak and vice versa for the girl children”. Willie Lynch motto was take the mind, keep the body and it is still working today. So if you never saw a man be a man, how would you know how to be one? If you only saw your mom begging at someones feet for food or other needs and you know no different, guess what you will be teaching your daughter? Yes change has come to an extent Bob but what happened in the past still does affect the black race today even the successful ones on some level. Thats Just fact.

  • Smira29595

    I the words of your hero you need to EARN “RESPCT”………

  • Starryeyes63

    YAWN

  • Bob

    Wow and I thought you couldn’t give up something that end in 1865. Now you are talking about a letter that was written in the 1700′s. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And Yeah I bet it affects Will Smith and his family every time he collects his multi million check for doing a movie. Or maybe even Ice Cube and Ice Tea. But I doubt it, because something tells me they don’t FOCUS on the past.

    If President Obama thought they way you do, I doubt he would have been our first EVER black president. But I am sure yet again that he doesn’t dwell in the past like you and Koree seem to want to do.

  • S.Dobbs

    Your doing like the rest of the people I have dismissed, throwing shade instead of holding a conversation.You asked,I answered. President Obama is not the first black president Bob. I will stoop to your level (since mine is un-reachable) and say you wont have to worry about your kids going to college, worry if they wil shoot it up. Have a great now and forever.

  • Smira29595

    Pot calling the kettle BLACK learn to spell