July 23, 2014

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US forces move into Iraq with security mission

Shiite tribal fighters raise their weapons and chant slogans against the al-Qaida-inspired Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant in the northwest Baghdad's Shula neighborhood, Iraq, Monday. (AP Photo/ Karim Kadim)

Shiite tribal fighters raise their weapons and chant slogans against the al-Qaida-inspired Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant in the northwest Baghdad’s Shula neighborhood, Iraq, Monday. (AP Photo/ Karim Kadim)

WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly 300 armed American forces are being positioned in and around Iraq to help secure U.S. assets as President Barack Obama nears a decision on an array of options for combating fast-moving Islamic insurgents, including airstrikes or a contingent of special forces.

The U.S. and Iran also held an initial discussion on how the longtime foes might cooperate to ease the threat from the al-Qaida-linked militants that have swept through Iraq. Still, the White House ruled out the possibility that Washington and Tehran might coordinate military operations in Iraq.

Obama met with his national security team Monday evening to discuss options for stopping the militants known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Officials said the president has made no final decisions on how aggressively the U.S. might get involved in Iraq, though the White House continued to emphasize that any military engagement remained contingent on the government in Baghdad making political reforms.

Still, there were unmistakable signs of Americans returning to a country from which the U.S. military fully withdrew more than two years ago. Obama notified Congress that up to 275 troops would be sent to Iraq to provide support and security for U.S. personnel and the American Embassy in Baghdad. The soldiers — 170 of which have already arrived in Iraq — were armed for combat, though Obama has insisted he does not intend for U.S. forces to be engaged in direct fighting.

“We are hard-wired into their system,” the fledgling democracy that America helped institute, said Ryan Crocker, a former U.S. ambassador to Baghdad. “We can’t walk away from it.”

About 100 additional forces are being put on standby, most likely in Kuwait, and could be used for airfield management, security and logistics support, officials said.

Separately, three U.S. officials said the White House was considering sending a contingent of special forces soldiers to Iraq. Their limited mission — which has not yet been approved — would focus on training and advising beleaguered Iraqi troops, many of whom have fled their posts across the nation’s north and west as the al-Qaida-inspired insurgency has advanced in the worst threat to the country since American troops left in 2011.

Taken together, the developments suggest a willingness by Obama to send Americans into a collapsing security situation in order to quell the brutal fighting in Iraq before it morphs into outright war.

If the U.S. were to deploy an additional team of special forces, the mission almost certainly would be small. One U.S. official said it could be up to 100 special forces soldiers. It also could be authorized only as an advising and training mission — meaning the soldiers would work closely with Iraqi forces that are fighting the insurgency but would not officially be considered combat troops.

The White House would not confirm that special operations forces were under consideration. But spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said that while Obama would not send troops back into combat, “He has asked his national security team to prepare a range of other options that could help support Iraqi security forces.”

It’s not clear how quickly the special forces could arrive in Iraq. It’s also unknown whether they would remain in Baghdad or be sent to the nation’s north, where the Sunni Muslim insurgency has captured large swaths of territory ringing Baghdad, the capital of the Shiite-led government.

The troops would fall under the authority of the U.S. ambassador in Baghdad and would not be authorized to engage in combat, another U.S. official said. Their mission would be “non-operational training” of both regular and counterterrorism units, which the military has in the past interpreted to mean training on military bases, the official said.

However, all U.S. troops are allowed to defend themselves in Iraq if they are under attack.

The three U.S. officials all spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the plans by name.

Obama made the end of the war in Iraq one of his signature campaign issues, and has touted the U.S. military withdrawal in December 2011 as one of his top foreign policy successes. But he has been caught over the past week between Iraqi officials pleading for help — as well as Republicans blaming him for the loss of a decade’s worth of gains in Iraq — and his anti-war Democratic political base, which is demanding that the U.S. stay out of the fight.

The crisis has sparked a rare alignment of interests between the U.S. and Iran, which wants to preserve Iraq’s Shiite-dominated government. The U.S. and Iran are engaged in sensitive nuclear negotiations and used a round of talks Monday in Vienna, Austria, to hold a separate bilateral discussion on Iraq.

While the U.S. and Iran have similar short-term goals in Iraq, they have different long-term aims. The United States would like to see an inclusive, representative democracy take hold inIraq, while predominantly Shiite Iran is more focused on protecting Iraq’s Shiite population and bolstering its own position as a regional power against powerful Sunni Arab states in the Gulf.

Crocker said that Iran should “use all the influence” possible to keep the al-Qaida-style Islamic group from exacerbating the sectarian strife in Iraq.

Appearing Tuesday on “CBS This Morning,” Crocker said if he’d have Secretary of State John Kerry “on a plane right now for Baghdad.”

“I would have liked to have seen more sustained, high-level diplomatic engagement with the Iraqis,” Crocker said. He said that for the country to have any change at survival there must quickly be a show of “Kurdish, Shia and Sunni” solidarity.

Republican Rep. Mike Rogers of Michigan, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said Washington must move immediately “to disrupt their ability to continue their operations.” He said the insurgents are holding sway currently and that “all the ingredients are going into the stew. We see it happening on our watch.”

Appearing on CNN, Rogers said he believes there still is time for the United States to make a difference, but that Washington must move now.

While the White House continues to review its options, Iran’s military leaders are starting to step into the breach.

The commander of Iran’s elite Quds Force, Gen. Ghasem Soleimani, was in Iraq on Monday and consulting with the government there on how to stave off insurgents’ gains. Iraqi security officials said the U.S. government was notified in advance of the visit by Soleimani, whose forces are a secretive branch of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard that in the past has organized Shiite militias to target U.S. troops in Iraq and, more recently, was involved in helping Syria’s President Bashar Assad in his fight against Sunni rebels.

  • golfingirl

    When Obama took office, the terrorists had been driven from their safe havens in Iraq. The situation was so good that the Obama administration was trying to take credit for it. VP Joe Biden declaring that Iraq “could be one of the great achievements of this administration.”

    Now, as Iraq descends into chaos, Democrats are trying to blame the fiasco on — guess who? — George W. Bush.

    To make matters worse, Obama is opening direct talks with Iran to counter ISIS in Iraq. In other words, our troops will soon be providing air cover for the very Iranians who were killing them.

    This was a huge failure by the Obama administration in assessing the strength of ISIS and his policy team not reacting quickly enough.

    So as thousands were killed over the Father’s Day weekend, thrown into trenches and shot, beheaded and set on fire, where was our “Commander in Chief?” Enjoying an extended four-day weekend in California, doing what else, playing golf.

    • The Thinker

      Silly of him to want to protect the American citizens there.

      • golfingirl

        And stupid of him for not following the advice of his military intelligence, which put these Americans at risk to begin with.

        If he had been aware of what was going on, these Americans would have been evacuated months ago and would not need “protection.”

        Honestly, you can’t possibly defend this president’s foreign policy decisions. The world no longer fears the United States, with Obama at the helm; and yes, there is strength in force. This is all that part of the world understands. (Iran, Syria, Russia…on and on)

        Just put a dress on Obama and call him the “Girlie in Chief.” He has “wussified” this country and set us back a whole generation.

        • HankKwah

          Wish I could post something, but you keep taking all the good points!! Well done and thanks for saying what you have.

          • TruthWhisperer

            She does have an IQ of 169, thats why she is here every single day

  • stop ur whining part deux

    This is the EXACT reason that George HW Bush did not invade Iraq after Desert Storm. He stated that he refused to be the President that handicapped us in a decades long occupation of another country.

    The way to avoid this was to not invade in the first place. But it is too late for that.

    For all those bashing Obama: Remember it was the desire of THE PEOPLE that we bring our troops home. That is the definition of Democracy. The people spoke, your leader listened. Shepard Smith @ Fox News was quick to call out his network and all the GOP screaming at Obama this weekend. He stated that remember, you were all on board when we invaded, this is the outcome.

    Frankly it matters little if it is a republican or a democrat in the white house regarding Iraq (or for that matter anything else really.) If it did not happen this year it happens next year or three years from now, or five years from now. Iraq is now unable to protect itself.

    George HW Bush was 100% correct, we are in Iraq to stay sports fans.

    • HankKwah

      “Remember it was the desire of THE PEOPLE that we bring our troops home.”

      Because people completely understand the situation over there, much better than our military leaders and foreign relations experts.

      So, if people desire to have baby nukes, should they get those, too?

      • stop ur whining part deux

        Well an awful lot of people all claim to know enough about Benghazi to be experts in military procedures, how is this any different?

        In regards to Benghazi I have not heard anyone say that the people do not know enough about military procedures to have informed opinions on that situation. On Benghazi every nut bag on a bar stool is an expert.

        Interesting….

        • golfingirl

          On Benghazi, the people were “lied” to. A video? Really?

          On the IRS, Lois Lerner’s critical emails have now “magically” disappeared? What happened to “democracy” on that one?

          On Iraq, let’s face it, the administration was asleep at the switch on this one. Obama disregarded his own military intelligence, which you claim are the ones in the know!

          Iraq was stable and heading in the right direction. Even the Obama administration stated this. Now it is a disaster, because he did not listen to his own military commanders.

          “…..handicapped us in a decades long occupation of another country.” Were are still in Korea and Germany, generations later!

          This is a question of national security, which many people do not understand. Let’s face it, many of those who wanted the U.S. out of Iraq, could not even show you where it is located on a map!

          This is now the world’s largest terrorist training ground, bigger than Afghanistan and Pakistan. You don’t think this is a problem?

          This is the biggest national security threat to the U.S. since 911. The implications of what is occurring in Iraq impact the entire world.

          And Obama still cannot decide if we need a pipeline for energy independence and the security of our nation? Nearly 6 years into his term, and he cannot make a decision?

          They, the terrorists, now have our Stinger missiles, can shoot a commercial airliner right out of the sky. They have our drones, our humvees and Obama is playing golf. Really?

          This borders on dereliction of duty from any commander in chief. The world is a less safe place since Obama came into office, that is a fact.

          We were told Al Queda has been disseminated, that is obviously not true, now is it?

          • stop ur whining part deux

            In regards to Benghazi: There is evidence to suggest that the administration believe at first that the video was the reason. The even emailed Youtube and threatened them if it was not taken down. Now, I will concede that his administration has done somethings very, very wrong and or stupid, but they actually believed it was a video. Even Ms Rice when interviewed stated that early signs point toward the video but that it was important not to draw conclusion as the investigation was on going.

            The only reason that Iraq is now the al queda training ground is because we destabilized a region allowing for easy pickings. We trade one tyrant for numerous ones.

            Also it is merely your opinon that this is the biggest national securty threat since 9-11 and there is nothing to support that claim. The reailty is that they have been fighting in that region for thousands of years and there was and is little we can do other than setting up permant residence in Iraq and even then we will be fought as we are occupying someone elses homeland.

            You can say what you will about Obama playing golf and what not but this problem would be unfold regardless if a democrat or a republican is president. The seed for this disaster was planted the moment we invaded Iraq.

          • golfingirl

            Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. You can’t possibly believe at any time the administration truly believed it was a video?

            The “problem” was created by an inept foreign policy, which began with Obama’s “Apology Tour” the minute he took office.

            Bottom line is this country is not better off than before Obama took office, and I was not a big Bush fan either.

            The optics of playing golf, while the world is on fire, and our economy remains sluggish, simply sends the wrong message.

            With this, even you must agree.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            The country is better and worse under Obama for starters. Not everything he has done is bad.

            Secondly there is an abundance of evidence to support the opinion that the administration believed it was protestors. In fact there is more evidence to support that opinion than there is to support the opinion of a cover up. The kool aide i am drinking is facts, not speculation.

          • Sue Lawson

            Limbaugh is the one who started saying, “drink the Kool-Aid.” Ironic from an Oxycontin pill popper isn’t it?

          • SniperFire

            ‘Secondly there is an abundance of evidence to support the opinion that the administration believed it was protestors.’

            Gawd. What a freaking sheep. LOL

          • stop ur whining part deux

            So thts no evidence then? I figured if anybody could find any it is you. Afterall you have all that time in mom’s basement

          • Scout

            Obama’s golf clubs are his fiddle.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            The fact that we are still in Germany, Korea and Vietnam is the exact reason that Bush Sr made the choice not to invade after desert storm. Since when is repeating past mistakes justification for invading and occupying another country?

        • HankKwah

          Well an awful lot of people all claim to know enough about Benghazi to be experts in military procedures…

          Fact is, the White House ignored requests and knew for 8 hours what was going on. obama is as well-informed about Iraq as he “was” about Benghazi and made pi$$-poor decisions about both. We could go on about all the OTHER things he’s made lame decisions about, but I think these posts are limited to a certain length. And I have work to do before it gets dark outside.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            I am not championing the guys time as president, merely pointing out facts.

            Facts: After numerous hearings, committees (bi-partisan btw) and 25k worth of documents all lead to teh same conclusuion regarding Bengahzi. Those findings are: Not enough time to respond, that early theories pointed toward protestors and we later found out it was terrorists. Even Ms. Rice stated on talks shows that early signs suggested protestors but that it was prudent to not draw conclsuions as an investigation was ongoing.

            As for Iraq: Thanks for proving my point. You claim Americans do not always know what is in their best interests in regards to war, ie majority wanted out of Iraq, but then claim that plenty of Americans are smart enough to have insight into Benghazi. It is one way or the other not both.

            Frankly we invaded a country, destabilized it, left and are shocked that they can not care for their own security. Romney would be sitting in the same mess. This problem was inevitable which is the exact reason Bush Sr. did not invade.

          • HankKwah

            We shouldn’t have left. If obama had a clue, we’d still be there instead of sending troops BACK. obama CAMPAIGNED ON BRINGING THE TROOPS BACK, and then waited 6 years? to do it. Brilliant. Goes to show he’s a complete idiot, especially since he announced to the world when we were doing it.

            “Secondly there is an abundance of evidence to support the opinion that the administration believed it was protestors”

            The only EVIDENCE is what the White House made up. No one with any sense (which is everyone OUTSIDE OF THE WHITE HOUSE) knew better than to believe it.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Or it took 6 years because they were not ready to take over by themselves. The Iraqis have 30,000 troops and can not fend off 500 rebels. You are big on personal responsibility right? At what point could and should the Iraqis be able to fight their own battles? Shouldnt have left? No sir, we should never have gone in the first place.

            As for Bengahzi: You are incorrect and allowing anger to cloud your judgement.

            A video played on Youtube was sparking violent protests all over that region including in Lybia. That is a fact.

            The attackers used the protests to help conceal the attack. Also a fact.

            The white house that evening emailed youtube and threatened them if they did not stop the video. Another fact.

            After numerous bi-partisan committees and hearings in which there were numerous testimonies and 25,000 documents scrutinized and all say the same thing. That we had no prior knowledge to the attack, that we could not adequately respond in time and there is, was, or ever has been a cover up.

            You watch too much fox news man. Way too much. I am not praising Obama with glory and There is much about his time in office or any president for that matter that one can criticize. But Iraq certainly is not one and Benghazi has been a witch hunt from the start.

          • HankKwah

            So obama knew that Iraq would be ready to take care of themselves during his tenure? So, you admit he was completely WRONG?

            “A video played on Youtube was sparking violent protests all over that region including in Lybia.”

            Really? I’m embarrassed for you that you posted that, let alone actually think it. I can’t do this anymore. When you’re done with the koolaid, come back. This is ridiculous.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            I am saying that Obama did what the people asked in bring our troops home. But unfortunately yes, that was wrong. It is impossible for us to ever leave. Which is the exact reason that Bush Sr. never invaded Iraq. we invaded a country under the shroud of lies and now we are screwed.

            AS for Benghazi. I have not stated anything that is not documented fact.

          • HankKwah

            What elected official, with ANY common sense, does what the people ask, completely ignoring the potential consequences?? Please, stop with Bush Sr. I know why Bush Sr. didn’t go there. “W” went there because of the hit Saddam put out on Bush Sr., and because he was tired of the UN giving Hussein deadline extension after deadline extension. There were mustard canisters found in Iraq outside of the Tikrit, which was the city Saddam gassed. Been a pleasure.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Like I said this disaster was going to happen regardless who is at 1600 Penn Ave. Our fate was sealed when we invaded and Bush Jr. was warned as much.

            As for what elected official listens to the majority of the people? Do you have ANY idea on how major changes in our nations history have come from? From a demand by the people all with potential deadly consequences. Civil Rights, laws enacted to halt the great depression, prohibition, gun laws, etc…. It is the entire point of a democracy and you are suggesting to just ignore the will of those that elected you to serve.

            Ludicrous and unamerican

          • HankKwah

            Ludicrous and unamerican

            You’ve just perfectly described obama. Congrats.

            Domestic policy, sure, listen to the will of the people. Foreign policy and troop movement? Seriously? I understand why you vote the way you vote.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            You have no idea on how i vote. I, unlike most, it seems you included, vote a very even ticket. I do not buy into Red Vs Blue. That is misdirection aimed at keeping the sheep stupid and in the dark.

            Best of luck.

          • HankKwah

            I know exactly how you vote, because it’s in the way you think and write. Leopard can’t hide its spots.

            Luck to you, too.

          • SniperFire

            ‘laws enacted to halt the great depression’

            You must be talking about the laws the FDR passed to extend the Great Depression 7 years longer than it should have been, according to a UCLA study? You are full of the kool-aid, pal.

          • HankKwah
          • Sue Lawson

            “What any of the Republicans blaming Obama for pulling American troops out of Iraq in 2011 should remember, is that in October 2008 George W. Bush was president when the Status of Forces Agreement was drafted and ratified by Iraqi lawmakers a month later in November 2008. The pertinent part of the agreement that President Obama honored was that, “All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.”

            Yes that was copied and pasted.

          • HankKwah

            Congrats. However, if that was in place, why would obama feel the need to campaign on the promise of bringing home the troops? Also, obama hasn’t obeyed numerous US laws, why would he feel compelled to follow this one? And if he hadn’t spent so much time golfing, and had a clue about foreign affairs, he may have seen what was going on in Iraq, and made other arrangements. No one, with any common sense, would do the things he’s done. You don’t withdraw troops from an unstable area, KNOWING you have a WAY-above average possibility of having to send them back.

          • Sue Lawson

            I don’t know maybe he knew Bush had signed the withdrawal agreement and thought he’d take credit for it. I do remember Republicans saying that Bush was going to get the troops out and I thought BS, then I checked it out. What laws did Obama break and do you feel it would be better if he took over a year of vacation like Bush did?(Referring to your golf comment). Also still wondering when Iraqis are going to pay for the war with oil as promised, you can check that out. I think anyone could have predicted this coming . We spent how many billions in training and weapons and they still didn’t try and defend themselves. We would have to be there forever.

          • HankKwah

            What laws did Obama break and do you feel it would be better if he took over a year of vacation like Bush did?

            LOL You should get off the MSM. Bush did NOT take a year’s vacation. If he did, he did it AFTER he was out of office.

            As for the legal part of your question, here: https://www.committeeforjustice.org/content/25-violations-law-president-obama-and-his-administration

          • Sue Lawson

            For the vacation part of your question here, http://www.ourmidland.com/opinion/letters/bush-s-vacations-costly/article_5085f00d-273d-5fc4-98e0-807933cf9e74.html You should get off Fox, it’s for old f*rts.

            I found your link from committeeforjutice hilarious, but thanks for the laugh.

          • HankKwah

            You’re like old farts, unwanted and stinky.

            And you’re quite the joke. If Bush’s Patriot Act is unconstitutional, why did obama sign it to extend it? Yea, brilliant thought there. “renewamerica.com”??? LMAO Why not just cite HuffPo? Or The Onion?!! “ourmidland.com/opinion???? walmart has koolaid on sale. Keep drinkin’ it, it’s doing WONDERS for your reasoning!!

          • Sue Lawson

            Oh how could I have guessed that Kool-Aid remark would come out. Oxy popping Limbaugh started that phrase. So go pop another Oxy….

          • Sue Lawson

            Oh and just one more thing. I do believe Bush’s creation of The Patriotic Act is unconstitutional. Well what do you know, it is. http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/webster/090419
            Perhaps you should check out immigration under Bush too, just saying… ;)

            I still have my guns too!!!

          • SniperFire

            ‘ Even Ms. Rice stated on talks shows that ‘

            The paid liar said it, and you believe it?

          • stop ur whining part deux

            When a person gets on tv and says all signs point towards protestors but it is prudent to not jump to conclusions as the investigation is still on going. Yes, i believe the individual seeing as she is telling you, me, And everyone else that they did not know everything and an investigation is on going. ThAt is called honesty sniper. You are the fool that views that as proof of a conspiracy when in reality it is disproving thAt very notion

      • stop ur whining part deux

        We kicked open the door and invaded a country under false pretenses and committed ourselves to the occupation of a country for decades.

        They have been fighting in that region for thousands of years, literally thousands. There was and is no victory to be won. All we did was swap out one dictator for a few hundred wanna be dictators.

        We never should have gone in the first place and now that we have we are stuck. We will always have boots on the ground in Iraq and the minute we withdraw them this is the outcome. It is a shame Bush Jr. took the advice of War profiteers instead of his old man.

        • Oneday67

          “We never should have gone in the first place and now that we have we are
          stuck. We will always have boots on the ground in Iraq and the minute
          we withdraw them this is the outcome. It is a shame Bush Jr. took the
          advice of War profiteers instead of his old man.”
          Says the nut bag on the bar stool. SMH

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Have I stated anything inaccurate?

            George HW Bush directly stated the reason he did not invade is because we would be stuck there for decades.

            Did we not invade a country under the vale of lies?

            Once we withdrew our troops did violence not resume?

            Did we have high ranking Americans make large sums of money off the Iraq war?

            Seems this nut bag has stated nothing that is in the slightest bit inaccurate.

          • SniperFire

            ‘Did we not invade a country under the vale of lies?’

            You are a revisionist idiot. Here is Bush’s speech to the UN General Assembly detailing the reasons why we were compelled to end the cease-fire in the Iraq war:

            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/text-of-bush-iraq-speech-to-un-12-09-2002/

            You really do the nation a disservice with your pathetic lying.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Haha. George bush has stated his largest regret was the original “misinformation” that lead to the invasion of iraq. Your refusal to accept the facts is staggering. The man that lead the charge for that war even admits that everyone was lied too. Please do not enter a voting both anymore. You are part o the problem, not the solution

          • SniperFire

            You can’t refute a word of GWB’s speech to the UN detailing the exact reasons for ending the ceasefire.

            Your lies have been spanked once again, but as a Leftist, lies are your currency. You just don’t care and will move on to the next one. LOL

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Oh i do not refute what gwb words, but that does not mean they were accurate. It is common knowledge that it was all a lie, or as bush puts it, misinformation. The man has even admitted all this. Why can you not accept that? Mommy does not let you have tv or internet in the basement?

          • HankKwah

            Thanks for stepping in, Oneday!! Appreciate it!

        • golfingirl

          The United States is the biggest, baddest country in the world.

          It is about time we again acted like it.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            You are smarter than that, i have read your posts and although we have disagreed in the past I respect your opinion but come on girl.

            When you invade a country under false pretenses with no UN backing and dispose of its leader you become the bad guy.

            I would 100% agree if Iraq was responsible for 9-11. But they were not. We used the deaths of 3,000 Americans to illegally invade a country.

          • golfingirl

            And now, all those deaths and sacrifices by the brave men and women of this country was all in vain.

            We left, and armed the terrorists with weapons they only dreamed of ever owning. You don’t think this is a problem?

          • stop ur whining part deux

            We left billions of dollars of hardware in Iraq because it was deemed too expensive to bring home. That was not Obama, that was our military and our Congress went along with it.

            My point has been all along that we should never had invaded in the first place. It is a problem and unfortunately Bush Sr.’s vision has become a reality. We are forever stuck occupying that country. This is not a failure of Obama, it is not a failure of our troops. It is the failure of all Americans. We all bought into the lie that was Iraq hook line and sinker and now we have to pay for it.

            We are going to be forever in Iraq and that is wrong

          • Mark B

            Have your forgot how many years we applied sanctions on Iraq only for Sadam to thumb his nose at us , it was not all about 911 that we went into Iraq.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            Saddam was a little fish in a huge pond internationally. He did not thumb his nose, he reluctantly agreed. Like the UN disarmament. Bush just wanted instant gratification.

            AS for why we went to Iraq: The American people were sold a lie on why we invaded Iraq. If the “real reason” was him thumbing his nose why was that not the rally cry for War? We were told he had WMD’s, which were being disarmed, not too mention Iraq capabilities were greatly exaggerated. Then when that proved false Iraq was harboring and training terrorists, also very much untrue. It is well documented that we invaded Iraq under false pretenses.

            Fact is, we never should have gotten involved in Iraq and now we are paying the price. We are forever tied to Iraq, we can never leave. That is EXACTLY why Bush Sr. did not invade after Desert Storm.

        • SniperFire

          ‘We kicked open the door and invaded a country under false pretenses ‘

          Lying Leftist talking points.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            It is WELL documented that we invaded iraq under the lies of wmd’s and that hussien was supporting al queda. Even Bush has labeled both lies (misinformation) as his greatest regret.

            Again, extremely documented facts, even fox news has stated this. The fAct you refuse to accept it means you are beyond saving

          • SniperFire

            As a Leftist, you are intrinsically a liar at heart.

            You won’t even mind that I spank your lie, and will just move on to the next lie you think you can perp on the unsuspecting.

            Here is documentation that Hussein supported at least two Al Queda groups:

            http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wikileaks-iraq-al-qaeda-connection-confirmed-again_558271.html

            But you don’t care and you just repeat your lies. You are a born liar and simply don’t care.

          • stop ur whining part deux

            So hilarous that you believe i am a leftist. I even voted for romeny. I, unlike you am educated and do not believe everything i hear or read. Everyday that you wake up america is a little weaker

      • golfingirl

        It is also the desire of THE PEOPLE to not have to pay $5.00 per gallon of gas. When it hit $2.00 under Bush, they claimed it was because of his “oil buddies.” Maybe Obama should find a few “buddies” like Bush?

        It is also the desire of THE PEOPLE to know the truth about the Benghazi, IRS, NSA, Bergdahl scandals. So why don’t we?

        It is also the desire of THE PEOPLE to curb immigration and stop taking jobs from Americans. The borders are now being flooded with homeless children. Why do we allow this to go on?

        It is also the desire of THE PEOPLE to repeal Obamacare, based on all the polls, so why has it not been stopped?

        The desire of THE PEOPLE is to find a job and have a strong economy. When will this happen?

        These liberals scream about compassion and human rights, but turn a blind eye when thousands are being slaughtered. Remember the Kurds? Hussein massacred 300,000 of them with chemical weapons, including women and children. But we had no responsibility to go in and take Hussein out? Where was their compassion on that one?

        They will never stop their defense of this president, regardless of his actions. At some point, even they will have to take a hard look at where we were before Obama and where we are now. The facts speak for themselves.

        We are weaker both internally and externally and it is not going to get any better in the near future.

        • stop ur whining part deux

          Stick to the topic. Is gas $5? No, it is not. You can speculate all you want but until that happens it is speculation.

          What do the people not know about Benghazi? After numerous hearings, interviews, 25k worth of documents do we not know everything? Why has every investigation returned the same conclusion: No cover up. Keep in mind that these are Bipartisan hearings at that. If there was a coverup, it would have come out by now.

          Polls are not against the Repeal of ACA btw.

          Jobs have been added each and every month he has been in office.

          AS for hussien and how many he killed, again, killing for thousands of years over there and everyone that has gone in and tried to end the fighting has failed and failed miserably.

          You classify me as a liberal, you are greatly incorrect. I do not buy into the red vs blue fight. It is misdirection. If you noticed I have stated that regardless if it is a democrat or a republican in office we would still have this issue. The moment we invaded our fate was sealed.

          • golfingirl

            It is okay to disagree, thanks for the conversation.

            We both are entitled to our opinions.

            I personally feel Obama has been a huge failure as the leader of this country and is nothing but a narcissistic man who is more concerned about his image, than the welfare of this country.

            Your view is different, which is fine. I appreciate we can have a dialogue without the “name-calling” which often occurs when people disagree.

            Have a good day….have to go.

          • TruthWhisperer

            You must have been upset when W set record Debt started 3 wars and wrecked the Economy.

            Glad its all going back in the right direction thanks to your current President.

          • HankKwah

            You must be TICKLED at the $6 trillion+ that obama has added and then devastated the economy even more.

            Where is the economy headed in the right direction? It’s definitely not here in the States!

          • stop ur whining part deux

            You too. I would never debate that Obama is a rave success. But i will also not discredit the good he, or any president does for that matter.

            I believe that our country has passed the breaking point and it has nothing to do with red or blue, but green. Those that have it have been calling the shots for sometime now. You really think we would be any better off with a republican in office? It would be the same situation only reversed. There are a lot of people paying big money to keep the sheep stupid and divided.

          • Mark B

            Why did all of the e-mails magically disappear ?

          • stop ur whining part deux

            What emails magically disappearing?

        • Scout

          Golfingirl you are spot on. So now we have the change and the hope has left the building…wonder how that is working out for all those who voted for THE PEOPLE’ president??

          • TruthWhisperer

            Doubled DJIA, Less taxes and halted the housing crisis.

            Sucks that it was the Lord’s will for him to be your President doesnt it?

          • HankKwah

            Please. Do NOT suggest that God had ANYTHING to do with obama being president. That’s disgusting.

          • TruthWhisperer

            It was the will of your Lord Savior Jesus Christ, If you reject Obama you reject the Will of your Lord Savior.

            Thats the logic you subscribe to isnt it?

            Lord’s will and all, funny thing is it is the will of Christ 2 times in a row,

            Thanks again

          • HankKwah

            LMAO You’re a riot. Thanks for the laugh, and the hint not to ever take you seriously. HAHA That’s hysterical!!

  • Sis Delish

    To heck with all this Iraq stuff, American’s want to know what Score Obama posted in Palm Desert on his recent, very expensive golf weekend.

    • golfingirl

      Probably shot about a 130, or $50,000 per stroke.

      • TruthWhisperer

        Yet still managed to double the DJIA, set record sales of guns and ended the housing crisis.

        What a guy!

        • Sis Delish

          You really believe this clown had anything to do with ending the housing crisis? You really believe the DJIA is a Bull because of the BullS**T from this clown?

          I concede, the gun sales are his.

          • TruthWhisperer

            Well the last time it doubled before Obama was under Clinton

            Say Sissy, When is the last time the DJIA doubled under a Republican President????

            Ill be waiting for your answer, Lets see if you can just name the President and the year.

            I bet you bring some shlubby red herring instead of facts

            But whats new? Facts and reality was never really your strong suit was it?

            I scramble your eggs

          • Sis Delish

            Gasoline prices affect more Americans than the DJIA.

            Answer the outstanding question posed to you weeks ago: Under which President has the price of Gasoline doubled?

          • TruthWhisperer

            So you cant answer it.

            Your red herrings and Ad hominems were called out before you responded and you did exactly that.

            So when is the last time a Republican President seen the DJIA double under their time as President.

            Simple question, I asked first and answered your previous question.

            Simple question that you cant answer.

            Kinda embarassed for you.

            BENGAZI!!!!

          • Mark B

            How could the DJIA not be good with all of the Electronic Money being dumped into it

          • Sue Lawson

            I know, I know…”Gas price under bush went to $4.21 a gallon and was over $3.00 a gallon most of his last term in office.”
            I remember it well!!!!

          • Sue Lawson

            Now I have a question, which president took over a year of vacation while in office? I’ll give you a hint, he hid out at his ranch.

          • golfingirl

            Remember…..we all agreed not to respond to this guy.

            He only has one screen name now, as his others were removed by the CT.

            Simply ignore him.

          • TruthWhisperer

            Nothing was removed or deleted silly.

            Someone with an IQ as high as yours shouldnt need such constant reassurance.

            all the other people that think you are a moron are alive and doing well.

            Yet you are still here, Every single day lol

          • TruthWhisperer

            So now, Neither of you can cite a time when a Republican President seen the DJIA double under their time as President.

            Ever wonder why all of you combined cant answer that question?

            Because you are wrong and you know it.

            Quick better bring up Benghazi haha

          • Bill Love

            How about clinton cause the housing crisis by saying its a right to get a home loanand then had a government give out loans out to people who could not afford them

          • TruthWhisperer

            Ahh so its Clintons fault that housing crisis collapsed 6 years after Republican House,Senate,Presidency and Supreme Court held the majority.

            collapse was in 2006 right? right after the Conservatives held everything but its Clinton’s fault.

            Im sure the Deregulation of Wall-Street had nothing at all to do with it

            Thanks for the laugh.

          • Bill Love

            how did Bush cause it and you realize any president s policy goes well beyond the 4to 8 years he served in office

          • Bill Love

            And the Senate was controlled by Democrats

        • SniperFire

          ‘Yet still managed to double the DJIA’

          I am certain this is WELL above your head, but the DJIA has soared because liberals such as Owebama have destroyed the investment value of cash in the Western world. And I am guessing when the entire monetary system collapses, you be blamin’ Bush. ROTFL

          • TruthWhisperer

            Still cant answer the question.

            Try Econ 101

            Thanks

          • golfingirl

            Absolutely correct. What I especially love is the fact the very thing Obama despises, wealth gap, has increased more under his administration than any other.

            Stock market always loves “free” money, and thanks to the Fed Policy under his administration, money is “free” right now.

            Those with money, made more money. Yes, the “rich” got richer, and the poor did not benefit.

            Thank you Mr. Obama for my record return on investment over the past few years.

            Now if he can just figure out a way to steal my returns and redistribute them to others, he would be a happy President.

  • TruthWhisperer

    Love reading how the Conservatives are now against going back in because of Obama. HAHA

    Its like the 13th grade! Isnt that right GulfinGirl LOL

    Ahh such cognitive dissonance.

    • Sis Delish

      Actually, your comprehension of “what conservatives are now against” is less than a 13th grader.

      Most educated pundits want the area BOMBED out of existence, rather than Snipered.

      Get a clue, Whisphy

      • TruthWhisperer

        Educated Pundits HAHA

        Yeah and Im the one that needs a clue.

        You trust the pundits and Ill take reality.

        Quick better ask a pundit what you should think and how to respond LOL

        I scramble your eggs.

        • Sis Delish

          Tell us again, WHO told you that Obama Saved the Housing Crisis? Which of the experts pointed to Obama’s actions being the reason for the current DJIA? And, on who’s writings do you rely on the gun sales story?

          Did you want grits with your eggs?

          • TruthWhisperer

            If you don’t know any of this I suggest learning about it for yourself.

            Your Pundits haven’t mentioned it LOL

            In the end you still cant answer the question though can you?

            Just as I thought.

            PS I’ll need some water to wash your eggs down.

            Thanks

  • Scout

    It’s a shame that this administration is not forward thinking so that all crisis’s become surprises. His national security team comprises of Susan Rice, John Kerry and Chuck Hagel…hmmmm, ‘see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil’.

  • SniperFire

    Owebama couldn’t run a Girl Scout troop, much less be leader of the free world.

    • TruthWhisperer

      Except that one time he killed Osama Bin Laden and now they got the mastermind of Benghazi!!!!

      He didnt even have to invade the wrong country to do it, Like W did.

      Thanks for the laugh kiddo

  • SniperFire

    Victory in Iraq is one of Obama’s greatest acheivements.
    - Joe ‘The Dumber’ Biden

  • Starryeyes63

    I am just thrilled to see that all these peaceful & moderate ( the mysterious ones we keep hearing about) muslims are stepping up to fight these few radicals.