November 24, 2014

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Elyria may put income tax hike on ballot

ELYRIA — Mayor Holly Brinda’s pitch Monday night for a 0.25 percent income tax increase proposes a plan to boost the city’s safety forces with an infusion of more than $3.5 million.

Instead of zeroing in on one department, Brinda is calling for a shotgun approach to hit all the city’s safety needs at once, including more police officers and firefighters as well as funds to the auxiliary police force, road repairs and capital expenditures.

It’s time to ask residents what they want in terms of safety, but more importantly what they are willing to pay for in exchange for those services, the mayor said.

“What we’re presenting in this scenario is what we think we need in order to provide quality safety services to our residents,” she said. “There are no frills.”

Council named Law Director Scott Serazin to craft legislation needed to get the issue on the November ballot. Council will have to pass the ordinance at its Aug. 4 meeting to make the election deadline of Aug. 6.

But Brinda did not gain unanimous support.

Councilmen Mark Craig, I-4th Ward, and Larry Tanner, D-1st Ward, voted against the proposed tax plan. Craig said the administration has not given residents enough information to justify such a quick response by Council. He did not deny that the city could benefit from a higher tax rate, but he questioned whether residents had all of the facts in order to make the call now.

“How can we say we don’t know the projected revenues, expenses and anticipated net gains and losses in all of the upcoming budgets, but we can say to the residents that we need more money?” Craig said.

A .25 percent income tax increase would generate about $3.5 million each year.

The proposed budget for the additional revenue includes $1.980 million for police officers and firefighters — a count Brinda has set at 93 officers and 65 firefighters. In the second year, $80,000 would go to auxiliary police officers in the form of $3,000 stipends and a police academy scholarship program.

If passed, the tax would expire June 30, 2019.

Finance Director Ted Pileski said conservative estimates put the city in the red by at least $2 million next year because of a loss of revenue in state funding. Without new revenue, Elyria will not be able to move forward, he said.

“We are just going to limp along with the structure that we have now,” Pileski said.

However, Council nixed an idea to direct $500 to each of the city’s 15 neighborhood watch groups.

“We should just fund safety forces,” said Councilwoman Donna Mitchell, D-6th Ward. “The block watches are volunteer organizations that we should not fund. I can understand why we would offer money to the auxiliary officers, but not the block watches.”

Councilman Marcus Madison, D-5th Ward, said putting the tax issue to voters in this way could backfire and he wondered what polling, if any, the mayor has done to determine the viability of her plan.

Brinda said she talked with community members as well Bill Burges, president of Burges and Burges, a political and campaign strategy firm. While those conversations were informal, Burges told Brinda that reducing the city’s tax credit for those working outside Elyria would not work. The mayor was leaning in that direction as more than 65 percent of Elyrians work outside the city and are given full credit for paying city taxes because of the withholdings taken by their employer city.

His advice, Brinda said, would be to increase the overall tax rate.

Elected officials know the fall campaign will be a hard sell. Elyrians have rejected several attempts by the city to bump up its tax rate in recent years.

“Nothing will be easy,” said Council President Mike Lotko, D-at large. “But we have to make the case.”

If passed, the tax would be on earned income. It would not affect those on fixed incomes through Social Security, said Safety Service Director Mary Siwierka.

With 52 firefighters getting paid with city dollars and 23 positions falling under a federal grant, the city’s challenge has long centered on how many firefighters the city could afford without the help of federal dollars.

Brinda has not committed to a plan on how she will keep some or all of the firefighters. However, Monday she told Council that by the end of 2014 the number of firefighters paid through the city will number 65, assuming the levy passes. That can be achieved through attrition and retirements and not layoffs, she said.

If everything comes to fruition, Brinda said the plan will eliminate the projected need for $300,000 in unemployment benefits and $150,000 in overtime associated with lower ranks. That will free up $450,000 that can be redirected toward other safety needs.

Moving the 13 additional positions to the general fund would cost $1.1 million.

Brinda said the plan keeps three fire stations open daily and three fire personnel on each truck. The number of 65 firefighters is supported by the state performance audit conducted in 2013 as well as the McGrath Fire Audit commissioned several years ago.

Contact Lisa Roberson at 329-7121 or lroberson@chroniclet.com. Follow her on Twitter @LisaRobersonCT.


  • Simon Jester

    Here we go again..

  • stillsleepyeyes

    Elyria can’t find new revenue because it cannot bring in jobs……………….you want revenue………………bring in jobs…………

  • Mark B

    Stop providing EVERY CITY WORKER WITH A CiTY VEHICLE. Roll back Longevity pay. Make the sanitation workers work a full day to get their 8 hours pay , not only 4 . Change it to a sales tax so those who are using the police the most also pay “Their Fair Share”

    I encourage everyone to vote NO. The city cant even mow weeds around fire plugs and street signs. But yet want more money to squander.

    • Joe Smith

      “Make the sanitation workers work a full day to get their 8 hours pay , not only 4 ”
      They can fill in potholes 4 hours a day

  • Pablo Jones

    Tax the poor. As you raise their taxes you will get fewer of them.

  • Bill Love

    She is trying to pay back the unions who got her elected

  • Sis Delish

    She’s feeling pretty uppity following the successful 2nd of July Fireworks fundraising campaign… little did the folks know that she would come around to collect after the show.

    • TruthWhisperer

      Its not collecting when you put it to a vote.

      Thats how democracy works.

      • Sis Delish

        Hey, didn’t you use to work on Mackinaw Island where no gasoline-powered vehicles are permitted? Yeah, I think you were one of those folks who walk behind the horses with a shovel… You’ve adapted very well to doing the same online for the Left.

        • TruthWhisperer

          What’s that have to do with your inability to differentiate socialism and Democracy?

          So you are saying a horse manure shoveler knows more about politics than you?

          Its true, I do know more.

          Thanks!

          • Sis Delish

            Reading Horse Droppings is an Art. Posting the same is a vocation. I give you a B- in both.

          • TruthWhisperer

            At least you logged into the right account this time!

            Good Job!

  • Starryeyes63

    Don’t you have to be working to pay an “income” tax???? Where are the jobs???

    • TruthWhisperer

      Johnny’s Jobs Factory didnt pan out?

      • Starryeyes63

        Thanks but I am very comfortably retired.

        • TruthWhisperer

          Then why you asking where are the Jobs?

          I thought Johnny Jobs Ohio was solving all these problems yet here we are.

      • ekwaykway

        Just like the shovel ready jobs?

        • TruthWhisperer

          No not at all those are two different things.

          you see, when you have to use an alternate reality to justify your stance…well there is a name for that its Delusional.

          Its almost as if Johnny Jobs has been dead wrong this whole time, at least when you compare his results to facts and reality it seems that way.

  • Christopher Frederick

    My family will be voting YES on this. Everyone complains because nothing ever changes. Where is the funding for change going to come from? You have to pay in order to make things better, and all of these negative people on here complaining because nothing is working out for you should take in to account the greater good. I realize that means looking beyond the borders of your trailer park, but the rest of us would like to increase the worth of our city. YES YES YES.

    • Sis Delish

      Did you want Pom Poms with that Posting?

      • Christopher Frederick

        Oh, cute! Good for you.

      • Lisa

        No, he wants a CROWN and a LARGE CROWD of clueless, judgmental idiots, to support his ignorant opinions!

    • Bill Love

      1 i dont live in a trailer i on a house which means i pay for 3/4 of the citys budget. i want a nice city too but how about everyone chips in not just the working or home owners

      • Christopher Frederick

        And how would you work that Bill?

        • golfingirl

          Make those receiving entitlements do some work for the city to earn what they are “given.”

          They can cut grass, paint, pick up the trash, repair potholes etc., which would save everyone money.

          Oh wait, can’t do that, it might take away a union job.

        • Lisa

          You seem to know so much, why don’t you offer suggestions?

          • stillsleepyeyes

            he is just the cheerleading squad…………

          • Christopher Frederick

            I’m not the only one. SOMEbody has to counteract the whiners on here that don’t do anything to help and then just spend their days online complaining.

          • Joe Smith

            You do know you can volunteer to give the city more money? How much are you going to donate from now on?

          • Lisa

            Really? Do your homework…

    • Lisa

      Heaven forbid, you end up living in a “TRAILER PARK” with your arrogant attitude! Some of “US” would like to be able to “look beyond the borders of our Trailer Park”, (as you put it). Why are we living in Trailer Parks in the first place? BECAUSE, some of “US” have faced EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, LIFE CHANGING EVENTS! Do NOT JUDGE TRAILER TRASH… I am proud to be a humble, struggling low income resident of Elyria…. I worked my entire life and paid plenty of my share of taxes. People like you are the reason people like me have negative attitudes. Enjoy the rest of your day in your “SUPERIOR BUBBLE”.

      • golfingirl

        Well said.

      • Christopher Frederick

        I love my superior bubble. Remember, just because society is going to dog crap does NOT mean someone should feel bad for being better than someone else. I don’t. Enjoy it if you’ve got it. I don’t MEAN to come down on nice people such as yourself, but let’s face it-statistically speaking low income folks are the ones bringing down home values and creating most of the crime. You are collateral damage in my argument here. Sorry if you don’t agree, but “you people” don’t weigh too heavily on my conscience or my opinion.

        • golfingirl

          And what exactly makes you “superior” to anyone?

          Your education, your income, your home…maybe the car you drive? Or maybe those ridiculous looking suspenders you are wearing in your photo.

          “You People” who think the answer to every problem is giving more money to any government, for redistribution and spending as they see fit, is the cause of the problem, not the solution.

          Let’s see….depressed economy, mass exodus out of the city, run-down neighborhoods, because people don’t have the money to keep up their properties…on and on.

          But the solution is to take more of their money? Where has that ever worked?

          Your words….”Let’s face it-statistically speaking low income folks are the ones bringing down home values and creating most of the crime.”

          So we take even more of their money and they have even less income. Using your logic, this only exacerbates the problem, does not correct it.

          Higher taxes is not the answer, responsible spending is!

          • TruthWhisperer

            Right? Its like claiming they have a 160 IQ because they ran out of intelligent things to say right?

          • Lisa

            YES!

          • Lisa

            Just like a SPAYED DOG, he just DOESN’T GET IT!

          • Jeff

            He comes from a upper family maybe his daddy can help Elyria out with it’s problems!!!!!!

        • Lisa

          Do you know me? Do you know I am a Veteran? Do you know what I go through daily with injuries from “Serving MY COUNTRY??? I am “Low-Income” presently, but that was never the case in the past, and it won’t be my future. Stepping Stones were initiated to help “people like me”… Once again, Heaven forbid, you ever have to deal with the struggles I deal with daily! Oh, and by the way, you seem to talk out of both sides of your colon…. You say, and I quote, “I don’t mean to come down on nice people such as yourself”, yet, you say I am “collateral damage”?? WTH? Tell me, what are you doing for your country right now? Better yet, what are you doing for your city? I volunteer with many 501′s and my church, I help my elderly and sick neighbors, I deny myself the essentials in life when I see a person that is struggling more than myself… These are ALL things I am PROUD of. This is me, “your idea of Trailer Trash”….

          • Christopher Frederick

            Where do I start? First, I was not talking out of both sides-I was being facetious. Second, you ARE collateral damage, simply because nothing I said was directly pointed to you. However, you do a fine job of proving my point about trailer trash-given the fact that you just can’t let a little bit of drama go. I DON’T care what you are going through-I have my own family to mind. The fact that you served your country, while admirable, has absolutely nothing to do with anything going on here. You people love to pull that card whenever something is going wrong but you never consider that once you stopped your service you have apparently been nothing but an anchor for our local economy. You should have made better choices, not my issue or concern beyond the fact that I can’t get away from people like you because somewhere down the line I should have made better choices and lived somewhere like Bay instead. As far as who you help, that’s great. I help people too. I help people look at their situation and try to better themselves instead of crying about it online. As far as what I am doing for my city-you’re LOOKING at it. I’m trying to raise the profile of this city to push out the bad elements and make it a better place to live until I can leave. With my suspenders.

          • Jeff

            Have you ever thought that maybe just maybe if it wasn’t for people serving in the military instead of the stars and stripes we would be flying a swastika instead??????And as far as working people maybe we’re tired of paying the price for the non working welfare sector of society and it’s time they do a part.I’ve lived in Elyria my whole life and have seen the city go down but raising the taxes of the hard working people of this city is wrong.There is no jobs here except restaurants and retail so that’s why the majority have to work outside city limits.

          • Otter

            Wait, what? You are trying make the city a better place to live…until you can move out? Apparently by by pushing out the bad elements…I don’t think there is enough oxygen in your superior bubble.

        • Joe Smith

          “statistically speaking low income folks are the ones bringing down home values ”
          So the solution is to tax more people into becoming low income folks?

          • Christopher Frederick

            The idea is to bring money in to the city. The tax increase in question would not shake too many budgets. For those that STILL can’t play with a slight increase-there’s always Lorain.

          • Joe Smith

            “For those that STILL can’t play with a slight increase-there’s always Lorain”
            Yep, it makes more sense somehow to chase even more people out of the city….NOT!

        • Lisa

          Being “Better than somebody else?” You were probably fed from a silver spoon and a bully in High School…

          • TruthWhisperer

            Its Sis Delish again, She forgets to log out frequently but she doesnt realize she repeats the same grammatical errors in each account so its pretty easy to spot.

            They think Im some paid Democrat but the reality is I have reading comprehension and an eye for ignorant posts.

            Thats how I caught her using multi accounts.

    • Mark B

      Why do we pay the sanitation truck drivers for 8 hours a day when they only work 4 , then come back after there 8 would have been over and work for overtime? Why is it that they can do their route in 4 hours and go home , but when there is a holiday they need a entire day of overtime to get caught up ? Still too much waste in this city.

      • Christopher Frederick

        I can’t answer that Mark. I haven’t a clue if it’s wholeheartedly true or not. And I highly doubt that you do. Most of these things are simply rumors or misunderstandings by people that are not actually “in” on what is going on. I am not “in” so, therefore, I have to assume that most employees do not act in this manner, or else they would likely be brought to light quicker by us common folk.

        • Lisa

          Oh, so NOW you’re “Common Folk”?? What happened to your Superior Bubble that you were so proud of earlier? You cannot be “Common Folk” and proclaim Superiority in the same breath…. Hitler did that.. ( well at least Propaganda persuaded that)

          • Christopher Frederick

            Wow….you really do belong in that park. Good day.

          • Lisa

            ps… I don’t really live in a Trailer Park, just defending those that do! Keep your family safe and secure and away from those of us that are “bringing the city down”…. One day, they too, might end up just like us. Maybe then, just maybe, you will have more compassion…. GOD BLESS YOU, (and your bubble)

          • TruthWhisperer

            So did Reagan

        • Mark B

          Pay attention , you will never se a trash truck on the streets after 11 – 11:30 AM . If you have a scanner program in 155.955 and you will here them all quitting shortly after 11 am EVERY day .

          • Lisa

            If they even decide to pick up your trash! I’ve had NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS, that have skipped my trash! WTH?? (But I never get a discount on my bill)

        • Mark B

          Do you see anyone here disputing it , it is a well known fact they go home before noon every day

      • Lisa

        AGREE!

    • Joe Smith

      No for me.
      They can cut the fat and earn what they get now first and then ask for more money if needed.
      The greater good would be served by bringing jobs to the town and they would get more tax money that way and prove to the people that they can cut costs and use money wisely.

      • Christopher Frederick

        Good call

    • Peter Aldrich

      First, you need to manage what you have as effciently as possible. That is not being done. I have seen first hand…

  • Sis Delish

    This Mayor and her close-knit group of “advisors” are, shall we say, the very definition of Insanity.

    • TruthWhisperer

      It just burns you to see Elyria doing better doesn’t it?

      • Mark B

        Doing Better ? Now that is funny. If they are doing better then they shouldn’t need more money

        • TruthWhisperer

          Ever hear of inflation?

          Basic Econ 101 son

          Stay in school

  • Christopher Frederick

    And of course, you KNOW this from the inside somehow. Everyone is a genius from the other side of their computer screen. I HIGHLY doubt that you, me or any of the other people here could handle running a city. It takes more than opinions. This is why we need more tax money.

    • Sis Delish

      Anyone, with little effort, can run a City… into the ground.

      • Christopher Frederick

        This city is not being run into the ground. We are trying to grow, despite an overwhelmingly negative atmosphere. I encourage you to put your name out there-get on the ballot. If you have good ideas and a decent execution, maybe you CAN make a difference. In the meantime, it’s important that we support the system so that it works in our favor.

        • Sis Delish

          “We are trying to grow.”??

          What Growth Plans are you referring to? (Cannot use the words Weeds or Median Plantings)

          • Christopher Frederick

            LOL. We ARE trying to grow. A push to bring new business is under way. The City has relaxed its otherwise ridiculous standards to allow a more business friendly atmosphere. Also, the repairs being done near the mall are directly in line with bringing more traffic, jobs and spending to the mall area. It’s good stuff, but needs to be supported by it’s citizens. But the plant thing was hilarious.

          • Sis Delish

            Not as hilarious as your posting about bringing stuff to the Mall area, and the City relaxing anything but its employee dress codes.

            The City is overwhelmed with legacy costs associated with it overly generous retirement and longevity pay systems. The only Growth you speak about are in the size and frequency of the contributions to said funds.

            Folks shall remain reluctant to continue to fund the government’s comfy perks. Why you and others continue to balk at addressing these issues and reward the very same entities responsible for the current state of the municipality is also borderline insanity.

          • Christopher Frederick

            You love that word ‘insanity’ don’t you? The City is not as corrupt as the uninformed make it seem. The fact that your having issues likely does NOT fall on the shoulders of this city-it’s just easy for you to blame them. And bringing jobs to the mall area will help this city grow. I don’t understand how you think that leaving it half dead as it is now will do anything but drag the budgets down while we maintain a dead area. The fact is, the majority of citizens do not take issue with tying to better our city and people like you are, thankfully, the increasing minority. I applaud the efforts and look forward to pushing through increases that will benefit my family.

          • TruthWhisperer

            Generous retirement that rolled over from the Republican leadership.

            Sucks when facts prove you wrong doesn’t it?

            History wins again!

          • Bill Love

            Really the last 3 mayors where dems

          • stillsleepyeyes

            The only push for business ……………..is pushing them out…………..oh unless your counting dollar stores……….

          • Christopher Frederick

            Dollar stores are attracted to depressed areas. Why not try to turn that image around by increasing the cost to live a bit and bettering our City?

          • Mark B

            Why is the cost always increased on the property owner , but yet those living on the Giverment continue to get more hand outs . Elyria has tooooooooo much government housing that pays NOTHING , but yet uses the most resource’s , its time for them to share in the costs.

          • golfingirl

            That is not fair, the check cashing/payday lending business is thriving!

          • stillsleepyeyes

            lol, sorry I missed those…………..

          • Lisa

            Dollar Stores only exist in Food Deserts. People can’t afford transportation, therefore, they spend food stamps in these stores and pay an exaggerated amount of money on staples. “Dollar Stores” are not the answer. We need to build “GROCERY STORES” so low income people can afford a healthy diet. CREAM CHEESE is $4.00 at the Dollar Store, it’s .99 cents at Giant Eagle…

          • Lisa

            I agree with you, FINALLY! The “Plant thing was Hilarious”! See, sometimes we just have to get to know one another a little better… And for the record, the Plant thing was on our previous Mayor’s plate to begin with! Waste of money!

          • Christopher Frederick

            Crap-don’t make me feel bad for arguing now!

          • Lisa

            lol

        • Lisa

          I encourage YOU to stop portraying Low Income Residents of Elyria as TRAILER TRASH!!!

          • TruthWhisperer

            Its all the same person, She is a lonely soul that often forgets to log out before responding as someone else.

            I kinda feel sorry for the pale translucent skinned baby boomer that is so out of touch with reality all she does is sit on the computer logging out and back in to make herself feel like she has a shred of worth.

    • golfingirl

      People of Elyria don’t feel they are getting their Money’s worth now, what makes you think they will approve an increase?

      From the local level, to the federal level, everyday we see tax dollars squandered away. People are taxed out!

      The people will decide if Elyria has been a good steward of THEIR money. I hope the Mayor has a very specific, line item budget justifying the need for any increases, and EXACTLY where the additional money is going.

      Simply saying “we need more money” is not going to fly. Those days are long gone.

      • TruthWhisperer

        Simply saying “we need more money” is not going to fly. Those days are long gone.

        As are the Republicans, Strange coincidence isnt it?

    • Mark B

      to pay for more studies on every decision , that no one in the administration can make . Sounds like they don’t know how to run a City

  • Joe Flabetz

    No poling, no homework, just the announcement. Sounds like she’s running for election and has sold her soul to the firefighters union again, after the embarrassment from the Lifecare contract backfire. She chases jobs out of the city and we wonder why the city is failing, but more taxes will solve that problem? Doesn’t make sense. It takes a team approach to make a city great and there is no team with Holly, it’s just Holly taking credit for others work.

  • Joe Smith

    Auxiliary police can fund themselves and you will never fix the roads no matter how much money you have.

  • cali corn ya

    Politics and unions have a conflicting interest for the common citizen and prevents a voted in politician from doing whats best for the people of the city. Please just focus on bringing in more businesses mayor. We are already overtaxed, vote is NO

  • Lisa

    How much money was spent on “Burges & Burges Strategists”? Why are we using OUTSIDE resources to figure out what we need in our city? What is going on the Mayor’s office? REALLY… WHAT DID THAT COST???

    • Lisa
    • Lisa

      I’d like to see the reports from this firm….

      • Mark B

        They would have to do a study to see if they can release that info . Generally that is about $50,000.00

  • golfingirl

    Christopher Frederick, now posting under “guest” states below that he loves living in a “superior bubble.”

    He refers to others as “trailer trash” and states, that he “should not feel bad for being better than someone else.” “Enjoy it if you’ve got it”, he goes on to say. it.

    Well Chris, if selling lawnmowers at Lowes in Avon is your idea of having it, you have set your goals mighty low.

    If living in a $75,000 house on Harvard in Elyria makes you feel “superior” to someone who lives in a prefabricated dwelling, then so be it.

    If having your wages at Lowes garnished by Asset Acceptance, a collection agency, because you have not paid your bills, makes you feel “superior” then I guess you are special.

    You state that “you have to pay in order to make things better.” Does this include paying your own bills, or just taxes?

    You support a tax increase, saying the City of Elyria can be responsible with other’s money, but you cannot even manage your own.

    Such a hypocrite! You are not even close to the person you pretended to be on this forum.

    • Christopher Frederick

      Is that all you have got? First, I signed out which is why it would register as “guest”. Second, the internet info that you retrieved with your hours of empty trailer living is years old-in every case. IF you choose to try and stalk me-at LEAST be attractive enough to make it worth my time. Your information stated above is incorrect, and it only furthers my case against people like you. If this is all you have got-go home. it isn’t working for you. This would be a prime example of exactly what I am talking about. I love my bubble-I OWN my bubble-and you are white trash who is not qualified to have an opinion about somebody in my league. Good luck.

      • Jeff

        I think your bubble got burst homeboy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • golfingirl

        Hey Bubble Boy,

        You say above…….”The internet info that you retrieved with your hours of empty trailer living is years old-in every case.”

        Elyria Municipal says……

        05/05/2014 EMPLOYER REPORTS: DEBTOR IS NOT IN OUR EMPLOY. TERMINATED 2/18/2014

        EMPLOYER FILES FINAL REPORT: EMPLOYEE TERMINATED 2/18/2014 CC: ATTY

        SIGNED RECEIPT FOR CERTIFIED MAIL RETURNED & FILED BY TUBULAR STEEL INC #71901096384000102984 4/28/14

        Hmmmmm….looks like it is not years old after all, is it?

        Oh, and you may want to change your LinkedIn profile, it appears you are not presently employed by Tubular Steel, are you? And while you’re at it, “technician” is not spelled “technition.”

        Then you go on to say……”I OWN my bubble-and you are white trash who is not qualified to have an opinion about somebody in my league.”

        First, I can assure you I do not live in a trailer. In fact, I had more landscaping put in my backyard this week, than your entire house cost!

        Second…. I graduated from “your league” by the age of 22yo when I received my first degree from Carnegie Mellon in Architecture. When I received my MBAs in Finance and Economics from John Carroll, your league was like a high school basketball team vs. the Spurs.

        Finally, you say….”IF you choose to try and stalk me-at LEAST be attractive enough to make it worth my time.” Really? Your photo is posted. You are not exactly easy on the eyes.

        As for stalking, not really. Took about 3 minutes to uncover the fraud you are. Your comments toward another poster here, ridiculing her for lifestyle, angered me enough that I took the time to prove that you are the loser, not her. I came to her defense. Your comments were despicable!

        Sorry to burst your “bubble” and out you for the hypocrite you are. Now like a bubble, just drift away in the wind and be gone.

        • Lisa

          Well said!

      • golfingirl

        So, exactly what did I say above that was incorrect?

    • Sis Delish

      Lowes?

      Got beat by a Junk Debt Buyer too? LOL!

      Such a Bubbly World.

      • golfingirl

        I prefer Home Depot anyway.

        But Lowes does have a nice selection of “bubbles.”

        More like a big gas bubble!